Fastest kick in track history.

anyone know what this guy ran for the last 200m? looks very fast

European Champs 800m 1974

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDk2BvL7hXk&feature=related

Mr Ovett in 2nd

deanouk wrote:

Strange that neither have video evidence available to the wider public.

Why is that "strange"?

Thanks you found the video in a language I understand. :)

malmo wrote:

deanouk wrote:

Strange that neither have video evidence available to the wider public.

Why is that "strange"?

I didn't mean anything sinister.

You'd have thought that someone, somewhere has a copy of both races on video. Certainly one does exist for Ryun's race, as a Canadian friend of mine has seen it at the Uni's archive library.

As for Aouita's race, it was run in 84 and he was already big news by then. Again, you'd have thought Italian tv would have filmed it.

But the point remains. The idea of anyone running 36.1 at the end of a 3:34 or 3:38 1500m is plainly impossible.

When you think that Ovett ran a 12.0 100m stretch in his 3:34 race, but the last 300m over 39 secs, and Coe ran a 12.1 last 100m in Moscow (38.7 last 300m), which is the fastest last 100m in any Championship 1500m, how can anyone believe that 2 men put together that sort of speed for 3 times longer? 300m in 36.1 is 3 lots of 12 secs flat.

Whether or not you believe that Ryun & Aouita were better than Coe or Ovett, they certainly weren't THAT much better, as a 36.1 would make them.

deanouk wrote:

Whether or not you believe that Ryun & Aouita were better than Coe or Ovett, they certainly weren't THAT much better, as a 36.1 would make them.

Wrong

Sir Bastion Newbold wrote:

anyone know what this guy ran for the last 200m? looks very fast

European Champs 800m 1974

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDk2BvL7hXk&feature=related

Mr Ovett in 2nd

Actually it wasn't as fast as it looked. The official 600m split from Fiasconaro was 1:17.6. You can see on this complete coverage of the race,

that at that point Susanj was in 4th, about 4m behind. That's about 0.6, se he would have gone through 600m in 1:18.2 (give or take 0.1), which would mean his last 200m was around 25.9, as he won in 1:44.1.

'50.8 Ovett 1980 Oly 27.2, 27.4, 26.5, 24.3 (54.6/50.8) 1:45.4'

Wonder what the fastest last 200m in a decent 800m was?

Ovett had the fastest kick ie sudden change of pace I've seen in the middle distances. Others could hold a very fast pace for longer

Geb was awesome at his best over 5km / 10km

ukathleticscoach wrote:

'50.8 Ovett 1980 Oly 27.2, 27.4, 26.5, 24.3 (54.6/50.8) 1:45.4'

Wonder what the fastest last 200m in a decent 800m was?

Ovett had the fastest kick ie sudden change of pace I've seen in the middle distances. Others could hold a very fast pace for longer

Geb was awesome at his best over 5km / 10km

I think 1:45.4 is a pretty "decent" 800 time! Lol.

Thing is those splits are definitely wrong.

The leader went through in 54.6, with Ovett in 54.9. Kirov led at 600m in 1:20.1 (someone mistakenly quoted that at 1:21.1 and then gave that as Ovett's split), with Ovett in 1:20.4.

That 24.3 is wrong.

Ovett's 200 splits were 26.3, 28.6, 25.5, 25.0 (12.7 last 100m)

If you take final time (which you must) and final 400m into consideration, i think the best kick ever for 1500m was 50.6....Morceli....1993 WC 25.2, 50.6, 1:49.0, in a 3:34.24

800m Coach wrote:

If you take final time (which you must) and final 400m into consideration, i think the best kick ever for 1500m was 50.6....Morceli....1993 WC 25.2, 50.6, 1:49.0, in a 3:34.24

In a fast time, yes, this may be the best.

800m Coach wrote:

If you take final time (which you must) and final 400m into consideration, i think the best kick ever for 1500m was 50.6....Morceli....1993 WC 25.2, 50.6, 1:49.0, in a 3:34.24

Jim Ryun's sub 50 last lap in dusseldorf was 3:38 but it was on a dirt track, so it would be close in terms of time if you account for the difference between the two tracks.

Morceli's run in the '93 WC is still quite impressive though. Does anyone have it on video?

deanouk wrote:

[quote]Sir Bastion Newbold wrote:

anyone know what this guy ran for the last 200m? looks very fast

European Champs 800m 1974

Actually it wasn't as fast as it looked. The official 600m split from Fiasconaro was 1:17.6. You can see on this complete coverage of the race

The 600m record is 1:13. 1:17.6 is fast.

I think 1:45.4 is a pretty "decent" 800 time! Lol.

Thing is those splits are definitely wrong.

The leader went through in 54.6, with Ovett in 54.9. Kirov led at 600m in 1:20.1 (someone mistakenly quoted that at 1:21.1 and then gave that as Ovett's split), with Ovett in 1:20.4.

That 24.3 is wrong.

Ovett's 200 splits were 26.3, 28.6, 25.5, 25.0 (12.7 last 100m)[/quote]

What I meant was has anyone run faster than Ovett's 50.5 last lap in a race say run in 1:45 or faster. A faster first lap in the norm and I think Ovetts Olympic win is massively underated because its harder do the 2nd lap faster

I would also define a kick as a sudden change of pace rather that how fast the last the last 400m is. A runner like Aouita could run a fast 400m but his kick wasn't up to Cram, Ovett or Coe's. Which is why he ducked them in 84!

someone had to do it wrote:

deanouk wrote:

Whether or not you believe that Ryun & Aouita were better than Coe or Ovett, they certainly weren't THAT much better, as a 36.1 would make them.

Wrong

Abdi Bile ran 1:46.0 for the last 800m in the 1987 1500m World Championships.

ding ding wrote:

Abraham Chebii in his prime

http://www.flotrack.org/video/416-2006-Reebok-Grand-Prix-5000m-Video

Would you look at how beautiful that is from 6:50-6:53?!