Walter Hesketh
Walter Hesketh
haha guys hold up, i only meant that in a 600m race, Bekele could be with him for the first 20m or 30m 'cause someone said he'd get smoked in the start of a 600m race.
In a 100m race, Bekele would NOT be with Bolt at any point except for maybe the first step and then it would be Bolt domination from the second step and on.
Those typos I made are bad even for me!
Bekele & Bolt
All of you severly underestimate the next 20+ seconds after a \"47.5\" 400 run by Bolt.
Oh, all he has to do is jog 47-48 and then just cruise the next 200.
Not many/if any sub 10 sec guys have ever run 44 sec.
For someone as explosive as he is, thats an eternety.
No one should doubt Bekele can run at least 48 sec.
Bekele wins- no doubt
for those that think bolt has ANYTHING left after a 400:
Running in sunny conditions just after 2:00pm, Bolt, drawn in lane five, took control of the race by the 200m mark before cruising to the finish line ahead of his fast-finishing training partner Yohan Blake (46.80).
The triple Olympic gold medallist, who laid flat on his back on the infield of the track moments after finishing said: “It’s called lactic acid and it’s a part of the reason I don’t like to run the 400 because I’m not really fond of getting lactic acid,” Bolt joked.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/caribbean/news/story/2009/02/090216_bolt_camperdown.shtml
whats he going to say after being chased for 600 by the greatest runner ever?
He don't like going that far do he......
As good as Bekele is, 600m is not on his radar anymore than it is to Bolt. Bekele as good as he is, isn't even the best in terms of speed... at 5000m he has been out kicked by numerous people, and at 1500m he is def' not the fastest. He's a decent middle distance runner with very good AEROBIC ENDURANCE.
Like I said before, college runners (46.x indoor types) go thru 47.x-48.x INDOORS all the time for 500m. They make it to 500m with very little problem. Add in a 400m track plus outdoor prep and peaking, and I can see them dying to 600m at respectable times.
Bolt is the most talented sprinter EVER. 100m WR, 200m WR, and he showed 400m talent with his 45.3 at 16 years old. Up until 2007, he was a 200m man that leaned towards 400m. If it wasn't for a few experimental races, he'd be running 44.0 right now. I have no doubt.
The only way a 200m/400m man loses at 600m is if a speed oriented 800m man races him. A 5k/10k man would get dusted, he just lacks the top end speed..
el g was doubling 1500m/5000m, having run three(?) rounds of the 1500m, but in any case, he went by bekele very easily in the 2004 Olympics. He was loving that slow pace and when it came time to kick, Bekele didn't even put up a fight against a guy who can run 3:26 flat for the 1500m and 1:46 pace for the last 700m of a 1500m.
Bolt can't run 600 meters.
jonesy. wrote:
el g was doubling 1500m/5000m, having run three(?) rounds of the 1500m, but in any case, he went by bekele very easily in the 2004 Olympics. He was loving that slow pace and when it came time to kick, Bekele didn't even put up a fight against a guy who can run 3:26 flat for the 1500m and 1:46 pace for the last 700m of a 1500m.
what can i say, i'm just a big Bekele fan.
3 1500m runs do not tire you out like an entire 10k does. Bekele ran a 10k and two rounds of the 5k vs El G running 3 1500s and two 5ks. And in that 2004 Olympic race, Bekele only got beat by El G by a stride length. Bekele's got just as much speed as El G. He's run 3:32 without focusing on the 1500m race distance.
And for the poster above somewhere, the only time Bekele gets outkicked is when he's tired. He races more frequently than anyone else. Furthermore, he mixes up the distances and terrain that he races also. Sure, he's been outkicked by guys like Mottram(Bekele's like 10th race in 10 weeks) and Eliud Kipchoge, but so has El G. The thing that Bekele and El G have in common is that they've both outkicked the people that have outkicked them 9 out of 10 times. Look what Bekele and El G did to Kipchoge in the 2004 Olympic 5k.
Titan wrote:
All of you severly underestimate the next 20+ seconds after a "47.5" 400 run by Bolt.
Oh, all he has to do is jog 47-48 and then just cruise the next 200.
Not many/if any sub 10 sec guys have ever run 44 sec.
For someone as explosive as he is, thats an eternety.
No one should doubt Bekele can run at least 48 sec.
Bekele wins- no doubt
Rubbish. Bolt has run a number of decent 400m; he's not just a 100/200m "explosive" sprinter. And yes, it's perfectly reasonable to doubt Bekele running 48 or faster. I'd give him a high-48 at the VERY fastest.
yeah i love how on letsrun no sprinter could ever have enough endurance to even finish anything over a 400, yet every 10k guy has sprinter's speed (they're just not lazy enough to run short events)
Wunderkind wrote:
wellnow wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6roXDygZ3agI've never seen Bekele run faster than 12.5 for any 100m section of any race.
I put him at 51 for 400
11 point for the last 100 of his world record 10k
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12 point
You are an idiot. Bekeles 3:32 compared to El G's 3:26 is quite a difference. Bolt can run under 50 in 400 meters no problem, Bekele would struggle.
Here is how the race goes. Bekele bursts out hard through 450 meters then Bolt sits on him and passes him in the last 70 meters like he was standing flat. Now, a 800-1k would be much closer but Bolt is a WORLD CLASS sprinter, I dont think you have an idea of how fit WORLD CLASS SPRINTERS are. If you look at Ato Bolden or MJ's training you will see they have alot of strength regardless of sprint background and could easily beat a 10k runner in a 600, which is a long sprint
Titan wrote:
No one should doubt Bekele can run at least 48 sec.
Bekele wins- no doubt
I doubt it very much, 51 is what he would run for 400
Don't you realize that his great strength is his incredible speed endurance, not his speed?
Someone just tried to correct me about this saying he ran the last 100m of his 10000m world record in 11 point
it's fanstasy, it was closer to 13 seconds.
I've seen people fall in two groups as to how Bolt would run the 600. Some are saying he'd stride out easy and then bring it home hard, others are saying he'd run a harder 400 and hang on.
Can we decide which he'd do? I'm thinking about 400 and 800 runners and how they run on their strengths (I'm simplifying to three: top end speed, speed endurance /lactic training, aerobic fitness).
In a 400, the pure 200 runners tend to have a lot of speed but haven't done the hard lactic work that gives them the ability to sustain it over the whole race. I've observed that they try to optimize their time by hitting the first 200 very hard and then being forced to a jog in the last 50 meters. I guess they feel that their last 50 will be bad no matter what their first 200 is (within reason), so they milk the first 200 for all it's worth.
In an 800, the ones who can show their speed at the end are the aerobically fit ones. The ones who aren't aerobically fit have to milk the first 400/600 for all it's worth and hang on. (cf. Matt Scherer vs Nick Symmonds 600 race. Scherer is a 400/800 type and gaps Symmonds over the first lap, then hangs on for the last 200, while Symmonds runs an even pace and his last 200 is better, almost catching Scherer at the end.)
I feel like Bolt would push it in the first 400 and then hang on for 200. At any reasonable pace I just don't think he'll be comfortable in the last 200 (even if the first 400 feels slow to him, he doesn't have the endurance to feel comfortable enough to run a fast last 200). He's speedy with a little speed endurance / lactic. Even though he doesn't like lactic, he does train with some reps as high as 600m in the spring, so it is there.
If we knew his time from a 600m time trial (which I've heard he's done, though not from him so I'm not sure), this discussion would be more straightforward.
Thoughts?
Bekele has run 52.68 for last lap. There is no way he can only run 1.68 faster when completely fresh.
I would put him around 49 and its all a matter of wether Bolt can hold his pace for the extra 200.
The other guy mentioned MJ, but thats a different matter. MJ was a 200/400 runner not 100/200 and has an additional 2 second advantage over 400m
No way can he run 49. You just don't understand the way he runs. When he is running 12.5 seconds for 100m at the end of races he is going flat out. In a 400m race he would have the advantage of being able to start faster but that would only get him a 51. Bekele is NOT a fast runner over short distances.
Anyways BOLT 72 Seconds for 600m BEKELE 78
NO CONTEST, BOLT WOULD MURDER BEKELE OVER 600M
Wikipedia: Again in Lausanne on 1 July 2003, Bekele recorded a 200 m segment during the last lap in 24 seconds
Are you saying he cannot stick 2 x 24.5 together to get 49?
Back to his 52.68 last lap
As for you 51. Even the best distance runner in the world cannot run within 1.68 of his fastest 400m in the last lap of a 5,000m (even with a flying start)
here's a page with his best splits
https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/bpence2/www/Bekele/Bekele_Splits.html
So he's done 52.28 at the end of a slow race. There's also a 24.0 split on there (last 200 of your 52.63 lap). I was annoyed that I couldn't track down any sources for these times, so I'm not ready to trust that last one (esp since it's only given to 10th of a second... means some random fan hand-timed it off a video...?)
You can't just "string together" two 200's to get a 400 time. He can supposedly go 24.5 at the end of a SLOW PACED race, and that is as fast as he can possibly go at that time. Bekele probably couldn't run a whole lot faster over 200m.