No sh@t. That’s because the current runners suck and running 45 miles a week which they can all barely do at FM doesn’t get you results. Why would Bell recruit mediocre runners that complain about their hs school training when he has recruits from around the world that don’t have whiny parents complaining about workouts and coaching styles?
Unless you won more championships than he did and coaches hundreds of kids you are in no position to talk about how to coach.
Here’s the arrogance. I’m a more successful coach than Aris and I agree that his behavior is not coaching and he became arrogant and which is why he is in the position he is in. My colleague actually ran for him so maybe insider intel is frowned upon upon.
Sure because we should all believe an anonymous poster on Letsrun 😅😂🤣
Struggled to follow your attempt at a balanced approach. Lot's of "I"s. Percy Cerutty, a lunatic. Is that all you have to say about this legendary coach? So, in the words of the great and hilarious PC: "And who are you?"
Eccentric coaches are defined by the outcomes. Great success = genius. Bad experience = Crazy. Comes down to people’s experiences at the end of the day. Each experience is not for everyone nor should be defining moment.
Big fan of Bill, learned a lot, hope things work out. Wise enough to understand that the world is too big to settle for one ideology and approach. Have a nice day.
The propaganda and threats being pushed by the Aris supporters here are so pathetic. Especially the clown going around this thread and the old one saying "all comments are being saved" for a defamation lawsuit. Legitimately hilarious that you think any judge would give af about what the people of LetsRun have to say about this former high school cross country coach. Even more pathetic is the cash grab gofundme - whoever donated $5,000 to that needs to be put in a conservatorship.
A jury has awarded a Texas couple $13.78 million in damages in their defamation lawsuit against a number of individuals who anonymously posted more than 25,000 comments about them online. "The jury found that reputations are...
Are we honestly trying to compare some random people throwing opinions around on a let's run forum to a case of 25,000 sexual assault accusations after the accused was proven innocent from 14 years ago?? If you aren't capable of handling differing opinions then this isn't the place for you.
In the other thread, Rojo said he coached an athlete from FM that in high school ran 1000 miles in 10 weeks - yes 100 mile weeks for 10 weeks in a row.
So let's not pretend like that is normal or that is recommended for high schoolers. And it's understandable that some athletes and some parents would have questions and concerns about doing that at 16 years of age or younger.
And he had a beautiful smooth stride, was willing did it and considers Bill to be a FATHER-FIGURE.
Memo to you haters, you can't force a human being to do anything. My FM kid happily ran that much and LOVES Bill.
It blows my mind that people think it's a crime to try to run through an injury to win a national title. Tough love works for some. Doesn't work for others.
I get how it would be devastating if you are a teen have dreams of winning a natty in HS, train your ass off, get injured and don't make the squad. The coach believes in you, pushes you to try to make it. Thinks you can, but you don't. That's tough for anyone to handle - particularly a high schooler. You'd naturally feel like a failure. That's life. Hopefully, the coach would say when you are leaving, "You didn't make it. But you should be proud and have no regrets. You went for it."
But you don't fire the coach. It's like firing the drill seargent at the Navy Seal trials. Lots of candidates are going to wash out. They only have space for 7 runners.
When I was coaching, I let kids know from Day 1 - some would make it. Others wouldn't. The incoming email I sent out each year included language like this.
With time, you all will discover that very few times in life are you afforded with the opportunity to succeed at a single activity at the very highest level possible. At Cornell, over the course of four years, I think you will discover that you have the opportunity to truly accomplish everything you can in the sport of running. The opportunity is there for the taking - WILL YOU TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT?
The facts are, however, not all of you will share in these wonderful accomplishments. Unfortunately, while it's likely that some of you will leave Cornell as All-Americans, it's also true others of you will likely drop off the team prior to the end of your freshman season. The transition from high school to college is a significant one in many areas: social, academic and athletic. College is an amazing time - often the best of times for many people. However, it isn't all fun and games and it isn't an easy transition for many to make. Away from home for the first time, there are a lot of pressures to deal with. Things are tougher academically and things are more complex socially as mom and dad aren't there looking over your shoulder.
A bit of administrative news.
I have deleted a post implying that Syracuse coach Brien Bell doesn't respect Bill Aris. That is factually incorrect. I am friendly with Brien and have talked to him about FM several times. Brien recently hired an FM grad as an assistant coach for Christ's sake. He's recruited several FM grads over the years. Just because he doesn't recruit every FM runner doesn't mean shit. Most college coaches look at top HS programs and understand, "They are running a lot and have very good coaching. They need to be super fast."
When I was coaching in the NCAA, HS kids used to aways ask me, "What type of times do you recruit," and I'd always reply, "I recruit talent, not times." Smart college coaches like Brien factor in the HS setup. I mean I was talking to D3 coach just yesterday about a sub-920 kid from another state that I know. The coach said to me, "I'm not sure I'm interested in him ss he's not even in his HS top 5 as the HS coach is incredible."
I am requiring registration to post in this thread moving forward as it is so emotionally charged, I don't want people posting under multiple handles.
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The propaganda and threats being pushed by the Aris supporters here are so pathetic. Especially the clown going around this thread and the old one saying "all comments are being saved" for a defamation lawsuit. Legitimately hilarious that you think any judge would give af about what the people of LetsRun have to say about this former high school cross country coach. Even more pathetic is the cash grab gofundme - whoever donated $5,000 to that needs to be put in a conservatorship.
Speaking of pathetic. You support the slander of an incredible coach then take it a step further to personally attack a former FM runner for supporting him. The lowest of the low.
In the other thread, Rojo said he coached an athlete from FM that in high school ran 1000 miles in 10 weeks - yes 100 mile weeks for 10 weeks in a row.
So let's not pretend like that is normal or that is recommended for high schoolers. And it's understandable that some athletes and some parents would have questions and concerns about doing that at 16 years of age or younger.
And he had a beautiful smooth stride, was willing did it and considers Bill to be a FATHER-FIGURE.
Memo to you haters, you can't force a human being to do anything. My FM kid happily ran that much and LOVES Bill.
It blows my mind that people think it's a crime to try to run through an injury to win a national title. Tough love works for some. Doesn't work for others.
Just because a high school coach can convince a 14-year-old to run extremely high mileage it doesn't actually make it safe or responsible or the right thing to do.
If the kid had such a beautiful stride, then maybe he could have been an Olympian if he was developed more patiently with a long term plan in mind.
There are serious long term consequences to running extremely high mileage that I outlined in detail in the previous thread.
"Overtraining in high school can have devastating effects on an athletes body and mind. It makes athletes really injury prone, lowers bone density, damages growth plates, lowers testosterone and effects other hormone levels, and causes eating disorders as well as severe mental burnout, just to name a few."
Mr. Ruby, do you find 45 miles per week to be extremely high for these times? Also, what proof do you have of overtraining in Coach Aris’s program? Do you have a runner in his program, then or now? Please share your personal experience.
14 year olds are in 8th grade. A few of them are in 9th. Are you making the statement that Coach Aris convinces 8th and 9th grade athletes to run 100 miles per week, or otherwise extremely high mileage?
