With winds that gust and vary in speed, more than likely with a swirling wind like they say happened, it led to these times. They say Gout was 9.23 his last 100m. No way with a legal wind. How close is the wind measured to the exact time of a race?
Gout Gout should be running the Commonwealth Games not under 20 championships. And hope he runs Diamond league races this summer. Go out and prove you are that fast consistently
Gout Gout should be running the Commonwealth Games not under 20 championships. And hope he runs Diamond league races this summer. Go out and prove you are that fast consistently
I think World Under 20s is the way to go - it is a legit global championship. Bolt, Lyles and Tebogo all previous champions in the 100m or 200m.
I'm sure GG will run some select Diamond Leagues too.
Whereas Comm Games is pretty random these days, and there probably won't be another one. Why bother?
And finally we have a post that is the type of post we are looking for.
And I assume this type of diagonal tail wind would only be possible on a smallish track like this. Erriyon Knighton's 19.49 didn't come in a huge proper world championship stadium either.
I tried to looking up the weather conditions for the 1:55 pm start time. Can an Aussie tell me if this weather station ios right near the stadium?
It looks like the wind would have definitely been a diagonal wind. But it says it was coming out of the NW or N whereas I think an ideal would would have been out of the N / NE.
Sorry I came in here so late but as a "Close Observer", in Sydney all day, at the event the afternoon, there IS NO WAY THAT THERE WAS A TAILWIND ON THE BEND. No way that obeys the laws of Physics, and I made a detailed post about it in the other thread.
The straight as per rojo's pic, is slightly angled from the NNE. The bend starts angled fromNNW then NW, W and finally slightly SSW. The wind the entire day, without recorded gusts was NW to NNW at almost a constant 5m/s (18km/h). The stadium is NOT a bowl as someone suggested. It has only one stand that blocks a westerly. and the bend is totally open to a westerly, north westerly or northerly.
So this is how it came down to 1.7m/s tail in the straight. There would have been NW wind coming around the northern end of stand, that had enough of a northerly aspect to record the lower reading of 1.7m/s. As for the bend, physics does not explain a U turn in wind. The wind would have been mostly in their faces If there was a lull in the wind, possible, but not a U turn as there was never ever a southerly nor easterly aspect to the wind the enire day.
This , in my opinion, based on the above facts, indicate that the results are even more phenomenal.
Sorry for the caps and bold print, but to much speculation from "Distant Observers'
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IDK. But anyone who has raced or played a sport in a stadium or anything with stands will tell you there are indeed no laws of physics. It seems wind finds it way everywhere. Cant explain it. Yes if you are standing right behind a wall then yes you are out of the wind, but out on the track anything is possible.
My first guess is that something was funny with the wind rather than the timing. I don't know a huge amount about that venue, but from the video it looked like somewhat of a bowl shape, and that can lead to swirling conditions. I don't think one wind gauge completely captures the dynamic of the wind in a 200m in those circumstances.
A big difference here is that the wind gauge for flojo's 100 registered 0 (while simultaneously the long jump gauge registered something much higher), and here it registered +1.7. For the women in the Aus 200 (previous/next race) it registered +2.3. Hurdles an hour or two earlier registered +1.3 and during the long jump the highest wind reading was +1.9. This shows consistency accross muliple gauges and multiple events.
I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't their someone standing in front of the wind gauge at FloJo WR 100 race? Far too often, the meet management places wind gauges in areas where field event athletes stand while waiting to cross the track or listening to their coaches. Lastly, wind gauges like many other instruments at track meets need to be calibrated prior to major meets.
With winds that gust and vary in speed, more than likely with a swirling wind like they say happened, it led to these times. They say Gout was 9.23 his last 100m. No way with a legal wind. How close is the wind measured to the exact time of a race?
The wind is the average measured in the final straight from the time the first athlete comes off the turn it's averaged over about 10 sec.
My first guess is that something was funny with the wind rather than the timing. I don't know a huge amount about that venue, but from the video it looked like somewhat of a bowl shape, and that can lead to swirling conditions. I don't think one wind gauge completely captures the dynamic of the wind in a 200m in those circumstances.
A big difference here is that the wind gauge for flojo's 100 registered 0 (while simultaneously the long jump gauge registered something much higher), and here it registered +1.7. For the women in the Aus 200 (previous/next race) it registered +2.3. Hurdles an hour or two earlier registered +1.3 and during the long jump the highest wind reading was +1.9. This shows consistency accross muliple gauges and multiple events.
Good points. The video appears to show that the vector/direction of the wind was from starting blocks to finish line. The loose shirts on some runners show it and then when Gout is in the blocks the orange field flag is really blowing and shows a perfect wind direction from starting blocks to finish. So, perhaps they all had a near-perfect wind that blew from blocks to finish line that was like 3.0+ but the gauge (which runs parallel to straightaway) still showed a legal wind.
And honestly it's hard to compare across events (like Justin making a comparison to the London 2012 800m) - because while having a race where everyone PR's in an 800 or 1500m is also very rare and tough, my gut feeling (so no evidence or anything, it's just an intuitive feeling) that the chances a sprint field PR's like this en masse and to this degree are less.
Even Usain Bolts WR race only yielded 3 PR's and that was a WC final, under lights in front of 50'000 people vs the greatest sprinter of all time in the fastest 200m of all time.
But this is in the books. End of the day the only possible explanation is that on this day there was a perfect storm where 7/9 guys ran their absolute bests in an Australian final with an insanely good wind that may have even been slightly stronger on the curve than the straight which registered just under the legal limit.
Read my post above. There is zero chance that there was even a breath of wind behind them on the bend. Physically impossible. See my post above
The prevailing wind at 5m/s with gusts equal to that was constant through the afternoon
You can check the wind speeds/directions for every 30min throughout Sunday 12th via BOM site
Okay, relax.
I love the detailed investigative work, and I've too been to SIAC before so I know the stadium but you're being overly black and white here. So it's not a case of a massive NE wind funneling in on a diagonal from the 200m start to the finish line, got it. But you are discounting that there is a massive structure - an 85000 seat stadium, that is basically located what, 500ft behind the 100m start? Now if wind is funneling down there from the N-NE, neither you nor I have any idea how that stadium impacts wind direction or wind dynamics. Maybe it doesn't at all, maybe it does.
Point is, it's possible that for even a portion of the opening 100m, there was some benefit to the athletes. Even if they were protected for the opening 60m and then had a favorable side wind as they hit the apex of the curve, it's a big help. Once they straightened up they got the +1.7 benefits.
The point is, the field clearly caught a perfect set of conditions. There is no way they battled any elements in this race because no sprinters alive are taking 0.2-0.4 off their bests as a field en masse without great conditions. We aren't here to render the performances void - the wind gauge says they aren't. And ultimately time will tell - at least two of these guys will now be finding starts in more major Euro meets (Gout Gout of course as the WL and Murphy as a 19.88 guy will be getting lanes at Gold level meets) and we will see how they match up in more neutral conditions which will continue to tell the story of this afternoon in Sydney.
The issue isnt with Gout. Its everyone else crushed their PBs by massive amounts which brings into question a timing issue. Its not the wind as women had a better wind and their times did not massively improve.
Only way this was legit if each of those athletes can now race the rest of the season close to those times.
Does anyone else remember the major meet where loads of the times were just too fast, as in possibly within each athletes' ceiling, but making no sense that multiple people hit it just right in the same event?
If memory serves, suspicions were that the timing system subtracted the reaction time (kind of like in Kipyegon's breaking 4 attempt some years later).
I think it was preliminary round of the men's 100m a few outdoor championships ago. (Doha 2019?) It was somewhat of a minor curiosity, since no records were set, it didn't much affect competition (since everyone got the same advantage), and it the issue 'spontaneously' resolved before the real fast running in the semis/finals.
There was the infamous 100/110H in Eugene which was beset by calibration issues around timing - highlighted by the insane DQ of Devon Allen on the mens side when he clearly did not break but was DQ'd for being under the 0.100 reaction time
But on the womens side there was the infamous semi-final where Tobi Amusan ran 12.12 with a +0.9 where there was the WR, 5 PR's and 3 NR's
It doesn't help the credibility of this race that it is being compared with Flojo's record, which is one of the most dubious in track history. Drugs and a doubtful wind gauge.
Read my post above. There is zero chance that there was even a breath of wind behind them on the bend. Physically impossible. See my post above
The prevailing wind at 5m/s with gusts equal to that was constant through the afternoon
You can check the wind speeds/directions for every 30min throughout Sunday 12th via BOM site
Now if wind is funneling down there from the N-NW, neither you nor I have any idea how that stadium impacts wind direction or wind dynamics. Maybe it doesn't at all, maybe it does.
