Is English not your first language? Ability without extensive training. Training is work. Youvare caught in a bizarre illogical loop.
in your mind, yes. totally fine if you want to disagree.
seen it too many times in my running and coaching life- many people just can't work hard... you think it's a choice, i think it's a talent. pretty simple really
Whether you think the ability to work hard is a "talent" or not - and that isn't how "talent" is typically defined, hard work is more to do with character or simply choice - it makes no difference if the athlete with superior physical talent also works hard. And at the top they all do. So physical talent ultimately trumps hard work with less physical talent.
You carelessness with the English language is indicated in the way that industriousness, determination, or having a work ethic are not grouped amongst "talents" but as features of character. Character is important to success but it isn't the same as talent. It has to work with talent - or its relative lack.
It's not fair to call ability to train well as character. There are plenty of people that can never work hard in athletic activities but are the hardest workers in other things that they are passionate about. The desire has to be there. That's why I hate it when people in threads sometimes frame a scenario as "how fast can the average person run (whatever event) if they were motivated by $1,000,000 (greed) or if we threaten death (fear) if they don't try as hard as possible." Plenty of people are not motivated by either greed or fear and would give up because running is just not their thing.
So, maybe it's at least three factors: talent, hard work, and desire.
Cross out desire and replace it more generally with motivation, which can be a variety of things including passion for running, fear of/pushing by sport parents, desire for fame or money, love of winning, or feeling hate or nothing for running.
You carelessness with the English language is indicated in the way that industriousness, determination, or having a work ethic are not grouped amongst "talents" but as features of character. Character is important to success but it isn't the same as talent. It has to work with talent - or its relative lack.
It's not fair to call ability to train well as character. There are plenty of people that can never work hard in athletic activities but are the hardest workers in other things that they are passionate about. The desire has to be there. That's why I hate it when people in threads sometimes frame a scenario as "how fast can the average person run (whatever event) if they were motivated by $1,000,000 (greed) or if we threaten death (fear) if they don't try as hard as possible." Plenty of people are not motivated by either greed or fear and would give up because running is just not their thing.
You aren't born with the desire to work hard at anything. The choices you make in life aren't predetermined. If it weren't so you would be genetically programmed to decide everything you have chosen to do in life. You aren't. You can change your mind about anything. But the ability to run fast is genetically determined. If you don't have the genes for it you won't be able to do it, no matter how hard you work. Only someone who has never experienced having talent at anything won't get that.
A workaholic has the ability to work hard - more accurately, a compulsion to do so. It isn't a "talent". Neither is badly wanting success.
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So, maybe it's at least three factors: talent, hard work, and desire.
Cross out desire and replace it more generally with motivation, which can be a variety of things including passion for running, fear of/pushing by sport parents, desire for fame or money, love of winning, or feeling hate or nothing for running.
Desire, training hard, passion for the sport and motivation are all the same thing. I don’t think pushing by the parents is common and most are happy that their child has found a sport he enjoys. I wanted my children to compete in a HS sport. I didn’t care which one it was and I had no expectations for how well they performed. There’s no money for about 99.x% of HS athletes. Even someone that ends up running 13:30 is not going to make any.