What the F*** - ISAAC NADER WORLD CHAMP

Wightman broke 3:30 for the first time at age 26, same as Nader. He didn’t break 1:44 or win any global medals until he was 28. Nobody picked him for gold in Eugene (recall he was soundly beaten by Ingebrigtsen and Hoare in Oslo), and since then he’s done nothing until now, just missing gold today at the age of 31.

I’m surprised you aren’t suspicious of Wightman given the way you feel about Nader. It’s almost like you don’t apply a consistent standard and just decide who is clean/dirty based on preference.

Well he’s been injured since Eugene so there’s that. And he is a much better championship racer than both Ingebrigtsen and Hoare. He’s a great tactician and a pure 800m/1500m runner. I don’t think he suits DL time trials.

There’s also an art to peaking at the right time. Because winning DL races in May doesn’t translate to medalling in global championships. As we have well seen today.

I’m not saying Nader is doping but there’s nothing suspicious about Jake either.

Yesterday on my run I was thinking about this race and Nader popped in my head. After Beamish won the steeple there was a photo of the finish at 2024 word inoors of Beamish winning ahead of Hocker and Kessler, Nader was just behind them in 4th. It struck me that Nader has been one of those guys hanging around the last few years and eventually the guys who keep showing up get rewarded. I was thinking that reward would be bronze behind a combination of Kerr/Laros but he went much better! I wish I'd thought of him when doing my prediction contest picks though...

You missed the point. We are both asking armstronglivs to apply the same logic towards wightman that he is using to discredit nader. extremely similar career progressions, and similar results. but armstronglivs casts dispersions on one and not the other. he just doesn't have the guts to admit why.

For the record, im very happy for wightmans return and naders win. very cool to see how hard work and consistency gets rewarded in the unpredictable 1500m

This isn´t completely true.

He was 4th last year in the 1500m indoor final in Glasgow after Beamish, Hocker and Kessler ( 0.15 sec after Kessler who was 0.03 after Hocker).

He came 4th in in the DL Oslo 1500m 2+24 after Jakob, Timothy and Habz.

He has improved steadily from 2023 to date.

But 2025 has been his best season so far.

Training in Soria with Enrique Pascual, Fermin Cacho’s coach for gold in 1500 BCN’92 and silver in ATL’96. Soria is in the center of Spain, over 3000 thousand feet. Very humble guy, good for him and his team

The guy is the nephew of a renown Moroccan soccer goalscorer of WAC (Casablanca) and later Benfica.

I placed him, us Koech and R. Cheruiyot as DarkHorses.

Did anyone get this one right in prediction contest???

You could say exactly the same about Wightman up to age 26. The difference is that Wightman was much slower in his low twenties than Nader was.

Wightman´s gold in 2022 can´t make him to a favorite in 2025 when his performances in the years in between have much weaker (3:32.?? last year and 3:31-?? this year).

I will, however, give you hat Wightman looked good in the rounds but so did Nader.

As a dyed in the wool member of the (Portuguese red and) Green Party, I’ve had nearly three decades of people telling me it was dumb to support Nader — that he could never win.

Told ya.

I posted under my usual name, see post #44 in the second thread mentioned by JWH:

Nader for third and Reynold for second.

You are just confirming your prejudice.

But Strand and J Koech were according to many Americans with medal chances despite almost zero international experience and despite weaker SB and PB.

Can you understand what I mean with "prejudice"?

Check Wightman´s page at IAAF. He was an "also ran" until his mid twenties. And has improved much more from his early twenties than Nader has.

Kerr sucks and none of us know anything.

Deal with it.

Google Raphael Pallitsch

1500, 800m races if tactic a low key guy can win. Have you heard of a guy named Centro

Wouldn’t have expected it three weeks ago - helps that Hocker, Ingy, Kerr, Neguse, et al. were non factors