He seems like such a swell guy, at least best you can tell from interviews and social media posts. I hope he is able to pivot to some sort of ambassador for the sport somehow whenever he's finished competing. Providing commentary, doing publicity, whatever.
He's an exceptional analyst as well. He was on BBC during Budapest 23. His post-track career should be fine. He's definitely one of the good guys of athletics.
Britain is part of the deep state alliance to harass and assault innocent civilians with directed energy weapons. This don't sit well with me. The reason why wightman performed stellar is simply because those actors preserved him from attacks ensuring he turned up to the starting line in the best health state compared to the other 15 athletes. It wasn't all that BS where he says he got lucky and karma kissed him on the cheek, that's nonsense, there's no logic in that. Directed energy weapons is the only logic that fills all the knowledge loopholes. When you are under attack the night or days before the race your nervous system will be fried just like you put your cellphone inside a microwave oven it will fry. You then turn up on start line physically apathetic, muscles not communicating properly. You could still run but you can't run AT THAT SUPER HIGH LEVEL. When you are not under attack, you turn up at the startline in much better health state than another athlete who had been attacked and you could then beat him even if you may be in your twilight of your career and not as fast as him.
This is how they control the outcome result of distance races now as for all other sports fixtures. If you play NFL and are a wide receiver and had been attacked just 1hour before the game you just will not be able to sprint as well as you should and it's nothing to do with not training well. There is this loophole in the knowledge circle that coaches and athletes are covertly assaulted without your knowledge and they tried to find the most logical conclusion and blamed it on training and others except directed energy weapons.
If you don't know what you don't know you won't ever find out the right solution.
Nader has come from nowhere; Wightman has already been a world champion. His break due to injury explains his comeback. There is no such explanation for Nader. Their respective careers are quite different.
You are wrong if you think I see doping according to racial criteria. As I have said in other threads, doping is everywhere but in some countries more than others. Russia and Kenya have shown that.
Wightman broke 3:30 for the first time at age 26, same as Nader. He didn’t break 1:44 or win any global medals until he was 28. Nobody picked him for gold in Eugene (recall he was soundly beaten by Ingebrigtsen and Hoare in Oslo), and since then he’s done nothing until now, just missing gold today at the age of 31.
I’m surprised you aren’t suspicious of Wightman given the way you feel about Nader. It’s almost like you don’t apply a consistent standard and just decide who is clean/dirty based on preference.
Nader has come from nowhere; Wightman has already been a world champion. His break due to injury explains his comeback. There is no such explanation for Nader. Their respective careers are quite different.
You are wrong if you think I see doping according to racial criteria. As I have said in other threads, doping is everywhere but in some countries more than others. Russia and Kenya have shown that.
Wightman broke 3:30 for the first time at age 26, same as Nader. He didn’t break 1:44 or win any global medals until he was 28. Nobody picked him for gold in Eugene (recall he was soundly beaten by Ingebrigtsen and Hoare in Oslo), and since then he’s done nothing until now, just missing gold today at the age of 31.
I’m surprised you aren’t suspicious of Wightman given the way you feel about Nader. It’s almost like you don’t apply a consistent standard and just decide who is clean/dirty based on preference.
Well he’s been injured since Eugene so there’s that. And he is a much better championship racer than both Ingebrigtsen and Hoare. He’s a great tactician and a pure 800m/1500m runner. I don’t think he suits DL time trials.
There’s also an art to peaking at the right time. Because winning DL races in May doesn’t translate to medalling in global championships. As we have well seen today.
I’m not saying Nader is doping but there’s nothing suspicious about Jake either.
Yesterday on my run I was thinking about this race and Nader popped in my head. After Beamish won the steeple there was a photo of the finish at 2024 word inoors of Beamish winning ahead of Hocker and Kessler, Nader was just behind them in 4th. It struck me that Nader has been one of those guys hanging around the last few years and eventually the guys who keep showing up get rewarded. I was thinking that reward would be bronze behind a combination of Kerr/Laros but he went much better! I wish I'd thought of him when doing my prediction contest picks though...
Wightman broke 3:30 for the first time at age 26, same as Nader. He didn’t break 1:44 or win any global medals until he was 28. Nobody picked him for gold in Eugene (recall he was soundly beaten by Ingebrigtsen and Hoare in Oslo), and since then he’s done nothing until now, just missing gold today at the age of 31.
I’m surprised you aren’t suspicious of Wightman given the way you feel about Nader. It’s almost like you don’t apply a consistent standard and just decide who is clean/dirty based on preference.
Well he’s been injured since Eugene so there’s that. And he is a much better championship racer than both Ingebrigtsen and Hoare. He’s a great tactician and a pure 800m/1500m runner. I don’t think he suits DL time trials.
There’s also an art to peaking at the right time. Because winning DL races in May doesn’t translate to medalling in global championships. As we have well seen today.
I’m not saying Nader is doping but there’s nothing suspicious about Jake either.
You missed the point. We are both asking armstronglivs to apply the same logic towards wightman that he is using to discredit nader. extremely similar career progressions, and similar results. but armstronglivs casts dispersions on one and not the other. he just doesn't have the guts to admit why.
For the record, im very happy for wightmans return and naders win. very cool to see how hard work and consistency gets rewarded in the unpredictable 1500m
He's in every sense a come-from-behind winner. He is 26 but has done nothing of note until this last year when he has enjoyed a sudden spike in his performances.
This isn´t completely true.
He was 4th last year in the 1500m indoor final in Glasgow after Beamish, Hocker and Kessler ( 0.15 sec after Kessler who was 0.03 after Hocker).
He came 4th in in the DL Oslo 1500m 2+24 after Jakob, Timothy and Habz.
Training in Soria with Enrique Pascual, Fermin Cacho’s coach for gold in 1500 BCN’92 and silver in ATL’96. Soria is in the center of Spain, over 3000 thousand feet. Very humble guy, good for him and his team
Nader has done nothing of note until this year when his performances are far superior to what he showed earlier in his career. He's completely flown beneath the radar until the age of 26, which was when many md runners had already peaked and retired. Color me sceptical.
You could say exactly the same about Wightman up to age 26. The difference is that Wightman was much slower in his low twenties than Nader was.
Wightman´s gold in 2022 can´t make him to a favorite in 2025 when his performances in the years in between have much weaker (3:32.?? last year and 3:31-?? this year).
I will, however, give you hat Wightman looked good in the rounds but so did Nader.
As a dyed in the wool member of the (Portuguese red and) Green Party, I’ve had nearly three decades of people telling me it was dumb to support Nader — that he could never win.
Give me a break. You are post-event analyzing to make yourself sound smarter than you are. You are just as surprised as everyone that Nader won and you are too in denial to admit it, so you have to cherry pick data to make the outcome fit some kind of imaginary storyline. This was a surprise victory and you are trying to make it seem less surprising. Nice try.
I felt no surprise when Nader won. I understand that sometimes Nils Schumann, Yusuf Saad Kamel or Jimmy Gressier win world championships. With so many favorites out of the race and nobody left to push the pace, I knew a “weird” result was a distinct possibility. And for all the reasons I listed above, Nader winning wasn’t that weird.
Here I’m striking a similar tone after Nader won in Oslo:
You’ll have to take my word for it since for some reason I posted under “Harvey Jablonski” but it reeks of me. Actually I got all of the top-6 right, in scrambled order, except for Josh Kerr.
….moran
I posted under my usual name, see post #44 in the second thread mentioned by JWH:
Nader is low 3:29 and high 1:43 this year and always runs well tactically.
I had him for bronce. And Reynold for silver.
Claiming this is only a big surprise to Americans is completely moronic sorry. Josh Hoey also ran that fast this year. Those times do not necessarily equal an unsurprising winner these days
Sure, he's an unexpected winner, but he's a 3:29 guy who has raced 6 Diamond Leagues, an Olympics and World Championships in the last 3 years.
If you had told me beforehand it would be a 3:34 race, I'd have given him a punchers chance.
I think any serious fan knows who Nader is, but if anything that resume underlies how shocking this is rather than makes the case we should have expected it. He’s been in the sport for a while and has never been a real factor at a global championship and certainly not in contention for the win.
But Strand and J Koech were according to many Americans with medal chances despite almost zero international experience and despite weaker SB and PB.