I compare him to others who beat him or run faster like Kejelcha, and only on that basis. I don't argue the fallacy that is being argued here that what one athlete does determines what another will do. It doesn't.
So you could compare him with Komen until 2 months ago because Komen was faster over 3000m but not anymore? Silly.
I will try to explain it again because you are having a lot of difficulty understanding this. Ingebrigtsen's performances and Komen's can be compared as achievements but nothing that either athlete did or can do determines what the other does.
That isn't the point. I haven't argued he can't go faster than 12:48 - although he hasn't done so in 3 years. But what it shows is that he is a long way off 12:35. There is nothing that so far suggests he will get that record.
You keep asserting that he hasn’t improved his PR of 12:48 in 3 years. It seems like that’s a sticking point with you.
That his pr hasn't improved in 3 years and is 13 seconds off the world record is one of my reasons for suggesting he is unlikely to break the world record. I am not saying he will never run faster than 12:48 - that is irrelevant to this discussion - I am saying it doesn't lead to a conclusion that he will beat 12:35 and take the record. If he had run 12:40 by now I would have given him a shot. But he hasn't.
You keep asserting that he hasn’t improved his PR of 12:48 in 3 years. It seems like that’s a sticking point with you.
That his pr hasn't improved in 3 years and is 13 seconds off the world record is one of my reasons for suggesting he is unlikely to break the world record. I am not saying he will never run faster than 12:48 - that is irrelevant to this discussion - I am saying it doesn't lead to a conclusion that he will beat 12:35 and take the record. If he had run 12:40 by now I would have given him a shot. But he hasn't.
Your prediction about the 3000m has shown that you have no idea what you're talking about.
When Jakob beats the 5000m WR I will come back here and remind you of what an ignorant buffoon you are. Cheers.
That his pr hasn't improved in 3 years and is 13 seconds off the world record is one of my reasons for suggesting he is unlikely to break the world record. I am not saying he will never run faster than 12:48 - that is irrelevant to this discussion - I am saying it doesn't lead to a conclusion that he will beat 12:35 and take the record. If he had run 12:40 by now I would have given him a shot. But he hasn't.
Your prediction about the 3000m has shown that you have no idea what you're talking about.
When Jakob beats the 5000m WR I will come back here and remind you of what an ignorant buffoon you are. Cheers.
That his pr hasn't improved in 3 years and is 13 seconds off the world record is one of my reasons for suggesting he is unlikely to break the world record. I am not saying he will never run faster than 12:48 - that is irrelevant to this discussion - I am saying it doesn't lead to a conclusion that he will beat 12:35 and take the record. If he had run 12:40 by now I would have given him a shot. But he hasn't.
But remember:
He has improved his PR in the 1500, mile, 2K, 2-mile, 3K, and 10K in the past three years. So it stands to reason he has had the ability to improve his 5K for some time.
Again—a fast 5K has not been one of his near term goals. He has focused instead on racing 15/5 championships and setting fast times over 1500 - 2 miles.
That his pr hasn't improved in 3 years and is 13 seconds off the world record is one of my reasons for suggesting he is unlikely to break the world record. I am not saying he will never run faster than 12:48 - that is irrelevant to this discussion - I am saying it doesn't lead to a conclusion that he will beat 12:35 and take the record. If he had run 12:40 by now I would have given him a shot. But he hasn't.
But remember:
He has improved his PR in the 1500, mile, 2K, 2-mile, 3K, and 10K in the past three years. So it stands to reason he has had the ability to improve his 5K for some time.
Again—a fast 5K has not been one of his near term goals. He has focused instead on racing 15/5 championships and setting fast times over 1500 - 2 miles.
Are you two idiots getting paid to post here? Seriously shut up.
You keep asserting that he hasn’t improved his PR of 12:48 in 3 years. It seems like that’s a sticking point with you.
That his pr hasn't improved in 3 years and is 13 seconds off the world record is one of my reasons for suggesting he is unlikely to break the world record. I am not saying he will never run faster than 12:48 - that is irrelevant to this discussion - I am saying it doesn't lead to a conclusion that he will beat 12:35 and take the record. If he had run 12:40 by now I would have given him a shot. But he hasn't.
In the last three seasons he has become 1 x national, 2 x European 2 x World, 1 x Olympic champion over the distance. His fastest time was 13:02.03 from a small early season meeting. Do you think this time is representative in any way for his capabilities during these three seasons? If not, what could be the reason?
That his pr hasn't improved in 3 years and is 13 seconds off the world record is one of my reasons for suggesting he is unlikely to break the world record. I am not saying he will never run faster than 12:48 - that is irrelevant to this discussion - I am saying it doesn't lead to a conclusion that he will beat 12:35 and take the record. If he had run 12:40 by now I would have given him a shot. But he hasn't.
In the last three seasons he has become 1 x national, 2 x European 2 x World, 1 x Olympic champion over the distance. His fastest time was 13:02.03 from a small early season meeting. Do you think this time is representative in any way for his capabilities during these three seasons? If not, what could be the reason?
Arm"strong", who is actually weak, will ignore those facts. And when Jakob breaks the 5000m record, he will find a way to think he was right and throw insults at those who have shown for years that he is wrong.
That his pr hasn't improved in 3 years and is 13 seconds off the world record is one of my reasons for suggesting he is unlikely to break the world record. I am not saying he will never run faster than 12:48 - that is irrelevant to this discussion - I am saying it doesn't lead to a conclusion that he will beat 12:35 and take the record. If he had run 12:40 by now I would have given him a shot. But he hasn't.
But remember:
He has improved his PR in the 1500, mile, 2K, 2-mile, 3K, and 10K in the past three years. So it stands to reason he has had the ability to improve his 5K for some time.
Again—a fast 5K has not been one of his near term goals. He has focused instead on racing 15/5 championships and setting fast times over 1500 - 2 miles.
I wouldn't disagree with that but it still doesn't suggest he has the capacity to take the 5k record. That he "hasn't tried" is not an argument he can get it. Every runner has a range at which they excel. So far we haven't seen that kind of range in Ingebrigtsen in the longer events. My view, as I have explained, is that his best range appears to be 2k-2mile. Shorter than that is harder for him, and longer could be also. He has to run some much faster 5k times than he has to persuade me otherwise.
He has improved his PR in the 1500, mile, 2K, 2-mile, 3K, and 10K in the past three years. So it stands to reason he has had the ability to improve his 5K for some time.
Again—a fast 5K has not been one of his near term goals. He has focused instead on racing 15/5 championships and setting fast times over 1500 - 2 miles.
Are you two idiots getting paid to post here? Seriously shut up.
That his pr hasn't improved in 3 years and is 13 seconds off the world record is one of my reasons for suggesting he is unlikely to break the world record. I am not saying he will never run faster than 12:48 - that is irrelevant to this discussion - I am saying it doesn't lead to a conclusion that he will beat 12:35 and take the record. If he had run 12:40 by now I would have given him a shot. But he hasn't.
In the last three seasons he has become 1 x national, 2 x European 2 x World, 1 x Olympic champion over the distance. His fastest time was 13:02.03 from a small early season meeting. Do you think this time is representative in any way for his capabilities during these three seasons? If not, what could be the reason?
Straw man. I'm not arguing his times so far are his limit. I am saying his times and performances so far don't suggest he can take the record.
In the last three seasons he has become 1 x national, 2 x European 2 x World, 1 x Olympic champion over the distance. His fastest time was 13:02.03 from a small early season meeting. Do you think this time is representative in any way for his capabilities during these three seasons? If not, what could be the reason?
Straw man. I'm not arguing his times so far are his limit. I am saying his times and performances so far don't suggest he can take the record.
Straw man. I've not said you do.
Most posters seem to think that the reason why he hasn't had a time close or under the WR in the last three seasons is: he hasn't tried because his focus was on something else.
You always make fun about that.
So, what do you think is the reason why his best time in the last three seasons is 14 seconds slower than his PB which he has set at age 20?
Straw man. I'm not arguing his times so far are his limit. I am saying his times and performances so far don't suggest he can take the record.
Straw man. I've not said you do.
Most posters seem to think that the reason why he hasn't had a time close or under the WR in the last three seasons is: he hasn't tried because his focus was on something else.
You always make fun about that.
So, what do you think is the reason why his best time in the last three seasons is 14 seconds slower than his PB which he has set at age 20?
Because he has run to win in slow tactical races but doesn't have a lot of room to run much faster than he already has. That he could possibly run faster than 12:48 says nothing about whether he can beat 12:35.
Most posters seem to think that the reason why he hasn't had a time close or under the WR in the last three seasons is: he hasn't tried because his focus was on something else.
You always make fun about that.
So, what do you think is the reason why his best time in the last three seasons is 14 seconds slower than his PB which he has set at age 20?
Because he has run to win in slow tactical races but doesn't have a lot of room to run much faster than he already has. That he could possibly run faster than 12:48 says nothing about whether he can beat 12:35.
Because he has run to win in slow tactical races but doesn't have a lot of room to run much faster than he already has. That he could possibly run faster than 12:48 says nothing about whether he can beat 12:35.
It is very possible that he can beat 12:35
But no improvement beyond 12:48 in 3 years says it isn't likely. His much shorter distance records don't mean he will break the longer distance records. They aren't the same events. He doesn't necessarily have the same ability over all distances.