You are misquoting. The verse says, "Whatever you ask for in prayer with faith, you will receive.” The four before that say, When he was going back to the city in the morning, he was hungry. Seeing a fig tree by the road, he went over to it, but found nothing on it except leaves. And he said to it, “May no fruit ever come from you again.” And immediately the fig tree withered. When the disciples saw this, they were amazed and said, “How was it that the fig tree withered immediately?” l Jesus said to them in reply, “Amen, I say to you, if you have faith and do not waver, not only will you do what has been done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain, ‘Be lifted up and thrown into the sea,’ it will be done.
So what does it mean to ask for something in prayer with faith?
I really needed my child's terminal brain cancer to be healed. Do you think I really needed that? Why wasn't the prayer answered?
Timing. After struggling for years about this very question and how it relates to my child’s health I realized He does answer prayer at the proper time. And his time is eternal thus timeless. Humans just want what we want now.
Timing. After struggling for years about this very question and how it relates to my child’s health I realized He does answer prayer at the proper time. And his time is eternal thus timeless. Humans just want what we want now.
Truly a pathetic response.
God is a huge f@g, sorry Christcuck
Just because they are not in your awareness doesn’t mean they died. You don’t have certainty anyone dies ans even you know what that means. You’re getting upset and basing your life off nothjng lol. You god haters don’t realize the faith of your atheism. What pseudo intellectuals this whole board is
We shouldn't blame God for the sins of men. He could destroy the world but chooses not to (yet) "for the sake of the elect"
If I know that my neighbor is abusing my son and I do nothing because I don’t think it’s my place to intervene, what does that make me?
Some kids made fun of Elisha’s bald head in 2 Kings and God sent out two bears to maul them. Divine violence against some kids for nagging on a man but no intervention for violating children. The only way your mind (not mine) can reason that is that you have already decided to put blind faith in this and you always get the same answer no matter the input.
It would seem very unlikely that there is a benevolent, all powerful, all knowing being who has good intentions and allows such suffering to take place. Especially given that there is no reliable evidence for that being’s existence.
This man also specifically jaded and not too smart. Anyone who holds anger or frustration in their hearts put a blindfold on and pretends to look for truth
God is more and better than your stories and is scarier for being real. It doesnt need to follow your ideas, I’ve seen it and it’s more like a machine animal of pure reason than a Catholics jesus. god literally is looking at you daily. What do you think the “world” is. lol classic runners
Just because they are not in your awareness doesn’t mean they died. You don’t have certainty anyone dies ans even you know what that means. You’re getting upset and basing your life off nothjng lol. You god haters don’t realize the faith of your atheism. What pseudo intellectuals this whole board is
Yes, I do believe it makes sense. I don’t believe we’re that much smarter than ancient people.
You’re talking about a group of people who had no concept of an atom or molecule, nevermind a bacterium or biological cell. Their explanations for their observable world were limited by the tools and collective knowledge at the time.
European Christians who first explored the New World were mystified that the indigenous Americans apparently brought rattlesnakes, wolves and bears with them, but didn’t bring any horses or cows when they populated the Americas. What they didn’t know at the time is that humans crossed the Bearing Straight Land bridge many thousands of years before horses were domesticated.
You have to look at Christianity’s origin mythology with the same skepticism as you do to Hinduism or the Greco-Roman religion. These are ancient peoples using their limited tools and knowledge to come up with explanations for the world around them.
lol you must be fun, neither athlete nor Philosopher or theologian. you mention “world view” from limited tools
so what is your world view? I bet your mythology is similar in topology just you changed God with “big bangy” and mathematicians over christ, and your images and symbols of the periodic table and other girating engineering things you might have, it’s also just a mythology
if reality is infinite (which it is) and your ideas of reality are infintiesmally off- they can work at human scale, even laser optics/quantum- but at the infinite scale the error you didn’t see adds up and you’re INFINITELY OFF. The certainty you have because you can do a few “Magic tricks” with your mythology of science and “reason”. Logic is hilarious- it needs Fantasy by definition to exists and all you dumb $$$ pseudo intellectuals here think that gives you a certainty. Lmao it’s a joke. You need to start where there is no certainty and build your flawed language from there- still flawed but much better than anything I ever see in this board. anyone think randomness is interesting? It should be impossible to create. My new idea is randomness is not random it’s conscious- now I’m going to Google my truly novel ideas and find some idiot from Harvard with a PhD saying the same thing I think about while taking dumpm it’s a joke
. What is order? Order is chaos. Consciousness is the mediator, the tuning, you are the thing creating time you see, you’re in between the things you quantify, we continue let evade quantification. Whatever, I doubt anyone understands this. They lied in school, the math is not math, it’s just a shadow of the real math- a sphere is never a true sphere so you can trust geometry- basically the real “math universe” isn’t shapes it’s beings. They are always moving. I’ve seen them.
Just because they are not in your awareness doesn’t mean they died. You don’t have certainty anyone dies ans even you know what that means. You’re getting upset and basing your life off nothjng lol. You god haters don’t realize the faith of your atheism. What pseudo intellectuals this whole board is
OK try again, but this time in English
I feel like taking people “like you” seriously is hell. For real tho- you realize atheism is based on faith also - and is argue an equal amount to random religions. Also I was talking about certainty- saying you don’t have certainty anyone dies.
1- you have never died
2 you will never “experience” death hmmm- he’s on to something about ontology we can’t comprehend because we are normals
3-language makes this conversation challenging , I’d argue words are used to lie so you need to factor in the lie into any dialectical “do you really want me to show you god or you just saying that?” You see
4- basically I would show you first your limited knowledge of basic things, history, science etc, then argue you don’t have strong knowledge of most things- how can you have certainty then in subjects people are pros at and your Not- then you have faith in them- you omg there is so many assumptions and axioms of the common “atheist” I used to be dumb like you
5- I’m neither a believer or atheist- those 2 categories are for anyone with an IQ lower than 170.
6-God exists because it’s a word. Disprove that you idiots. Reality is words- since reality or anything you say is in words-God is real by definition of being a word in my philosophy- so you can’t argue if it’s real or Not- just “what is the definition of God then”
you see - you’re base argument can be shifted and everything can be the same - ar the core axioms nothing changes just a topological change relative to the being aka (you)
do colleges reach ontology anymore? People have no clue, like I don’t even consider you guys conscious if you don’t see what I see. like do you even speak english
also a virgin can’t understand what I’m saying by definition, so that’s probably the connection
I think a very important fact we must look at is how much the world changed for those closest to Jesus before/after his death and resurrection. Before we dive into prayer and how God relates to His people we must look back. Jesus’s closest disciples went from fear of the world and denying him the night of his death (Peter) to vouching for him and spreading his gospel to their own death.
How can we account for this? Jesus is said to have appeared to hundreds of people following his resurrection and another of his disciples (Thomas) says that he won’t believe unless he touches the holes in Jesus’s hands where he was nailed to the cross. Jesus then tells Thomas to go right ahead.
BC Jewish society was religiously fervent and very uncommon to what we know nowadays. People would fast and pray on the Sabbath - Saturday weekly. This went on for thousands of years and then one man, claiming to be fully God and fully human came to Earth performing miracles and telling people to repent of their sins. He lived the perfect live, died the perfect death, and rose from it. Overnight the culture was flipped on its head and Sunday became the Sabbath day for these newfound Christians.
I don’t have a perfect answer to why bad things happen or why not all of our prayers were answered. But for those that want to make scientific arguments, there is very clear evidence that Jesus Christ was alive on Earth, died, and rose again. If we base this as our new starting point hopefully then we can start to answer more in-depth questions about God’s relationship with His people (everyone- not just Christians)
We shouldn't blame God for the sins of men. He could destroy the world but chooses not to (yet) "for the sake of the elect"
If I know that my neighbor is abusing my son and I do nothing because I don’t think it’s my place to intervene, what does that make me?
Some kids made fun of Elisha’s bald head in 2 Kings and God sent out two bears to maul them. Divine violence against some kids for nagging on a man but no intervention for violating children. The only way your mind (not mine) can reason that is that you have already decided to put blind faith in this and you always get the same answer no matter the input.
It would seem very unlikely that there is a benevolent, all powerful, all knowing being who has good intentions and allows such suffering to take place. Especially given that there is no reliable evidence for that being’s existence.
The first step is to not confuse this world. "our exile in this valley of tears", with heaven. We are living amongst saints and sinners. Those who stubbornly refuse God's Grace will sadly suffer the results in the next life. Those who cooperate with God's Grace offer up the sufferings of this life in union with our Blessed Lord's passion. And they offer up these sufferings for the sake and conversion of others.
Prayer is more about developing relationship with God than any specific request.
How is that supposed to work for a two year old orphan with a brain tumor?
Whose relationship is He developing? And how are those agonizing final 18 months of that child's life what she "needs" in order to have a relationship with God? If God was omnipotent, He would (by definition) be able to think of better ways to develop relationships with His creation.
Sorry, not buying it.
The death of a child (and I've experienced it) is very difficult for the child and the family. But every one of us will die. This is not heaven. Those who have cooperated with the God-given Faith can accept all of the suffering of this life, knowing how fleeting it is and how eternal the next life is.
I believe, but admittedly there has to be something missing or off about the story we’re told. The problem of divine foreknowledge, creation, and the suffering that is rampant, can’t be reconciled with the simple story of…you did something bad and now God is giving you another chance. There are dualist cosmologies that might make better sense of the facts we have. Interestingly, most of the early Christians were gnostics (before it became more of an organized religion).
Man gets himself into such trouble, and such is God's grace that he sometimes helps him out of it.
Why would God create humans who have the ability (actually, the innate quality) to sin?
the rules of the Christian gods game seem unfair - you are born with sin, you are bound to be sinner in life, and you must repent just to get back in equal footing with god?
What’s the point of all this? Why would god create humans in the first place? And why did he make the rules of the game so unfair?
The point of all this is that God foresaw the fall of our first parents, but in his Mercy He provided for our redemption. Just as our first parents (and the Angels) were given free will to remain faithful or turn away, every man born since then has had the option to cooperate with His Grace and unite ourselves to Him - or not.
Timing. After struggling for years about this very question and how it relates to my child’s health I realized He does answer prayer at the proper time. And his time is eternal thus timeless. Humans just want what we want now.
I am genuinely curious about this, please don't use this to mock religion. If you give all glory to God for all the great things in your life, that is fine by me. But what about when things aren't going right, why does the goal post move to 'God is testing me, making me stronger'? Like why can't God be wrong sometimes and called out for it? I just saw a friend on Facebook had the winning bid on a house and they thanked God for answering their prayers. What about all the people who didn't get the house and they might've prayed too? I just don't understand why God works for some but not others. And then if the house goes into foreclosure he is nowhere to be found.
God can't be wrong....otherwise He isn't God. if you think God can be wrong, you don't know God, you have an incorrect view of who God is or He's hidden from you.
A non-answer to pray....is an answer, just not the one you wanted.
The purpose of life is not to have everything "go right"
Timing. After struggling for years about this very question and how it relates to my child’s health I realized He does answer prayer at the proper time. And his time is eternal thus timeless. Humans just want what we want now.
Truly a pathetic response.
God is a huge f@g, sorry Christcuck
God is not mocked....what ever a man soweth that shall he also reap
There has ever been evidence for any of the thousand or so proposed gods. First, to answer your question you would need to have strong evidence for your god of choice. There is none to date. Second, you would then need to show that a god is listening. Third, the connection between prayer and outcomes from the god has to be shown. Otherwise, how does anyone know a prayer is answered or not? If someone can't do all of that reliably they're just saying stuff. Remember, when someone thanks a god for a house or winning a race is that same god also responsible for poverty or getting last place?
Just because they are not in your awareness doesn’t mean they died. You don’t have certainty anyone dies ans even you know what that means. You’re getting upset and basing your life off nothjng lol. You god haters don’t realize the faith of your atheism. What pseudo intellectuals this whole board is
Get an intelligent reader to look at your statement, someone you trust, and listen carefully as they interpret your words. Not necessarily a judgement; it is good to get editorial feedback. BTW: "God Haters" is not a valid slur: you can't hate something that doesnt exist. It's the purveyors and plunderers of religion that non-religionists hate. In fact some respect prayer, Jesus himself, truly decent people of Faith, and all the beautiful art, architecture, music, and the spiritual vibe in general.
Ive seen more hate directed toward Atheists, Agnostics, and, (especially among and between those of different faiths (see "War and genocide.")....than I have from Atheists to God folks.
THE EFFECT OF PRAYER ON GOD’S ATTITUDE TOWARD MANKIND JAMES HECKMAN (A Nobel prize winner!)
"Abstract This paper uses data available from the National Opinion Research Center’s (NORC) survey on religious attitudes and powerful statistical methods to evaluate the effect of prayer on the attitude of God toward human beings. (JEL C21, Z12)"