Jakob holds two world records indoors - the 1500m and the 2k. So he wasn't "peaking" to achieve those records, they just happened as part of his off season training? (He probably wasn't even training when he set them). That must explain why his indoor times are nowhere near as fast as his outdoor times. Same when Seb Coe set his 800m indoor records (and Kipketer), not to mention the other great athletes who set both indoor and outdoor marks. By the same token, it is obvious Kerr hasn't peaked either - he just happened to set a record indoors like Jakob and all those other guys. Wait till he gets outdoors. You running fans are absolute ph*qing morons.
Jakob is not the indoor world record holder over 2000m. Maybe get the basic facts straight before calling others “absolute ph*qing morons” lol
He's not the record holder over 2 miles either. Kerr is.
So why doesn't the 7.54 runner have the indoor record?
You confirm once again how foolish and biased you are.
Jakob has never run the 2 mile indoors but he would most likely be able to run well under 8 if he is in good shape.
Of course - another one of those runners who can never lose if they are in "good shape". Getting under 8:00 indoors is no foregone conclusion - his best 3k indoors is 7:40. An outdoor time doesn't translate across to the same time indoors - all the outdoor records are faster. So - maybe. But he could still lose to Kerr indoors - just as he has outdoors.
Kerr isn't going to say his record is worth the same until he takes it.
But the undeniable fact is that there is a considerable differential across the board between indoor and outdoor records - and many great runners held both. An example was Coe, who ran 1:41.7 for the 800 outdoors and 1:44.9 indoors. That's over 3 seconds difference at that distance (which is a quarter of the distance Kerr ran to set his record). The differential for the 1500/mile records is over 4 seconds. The logical inference is that Kerr's mark is therefore worth much more than 8:00 outdoors and quite likely 5-6 seconds. That isn't cherry-picking. But your comparing the 3k records is, which don't fit the historical trend for these events.
you really don't understand the sport. have you ever run or coached at a competitive level? not that that is necessarily a prerequisite for understanding. but it might help.
I have read the whole thread and I can´t understand why some posters try to downplay Kerr´s performance.
And I have to admit that I in several threads before the race significantly underestimated Kerr´s potential in the 2 mile (and the 3000m).
But now being a 8 minutes 2 miler (=7:25 3000m man) obviously improves his chances to get the gold in Paris. Being one of the main contenders together with Nuguse and Jakob (if he gets healthy) and perhaps the youngsters Reynold and Laros if they continue to improve.
I will also say that he possibly could have broken the indoor mile WR yesterday if he has chosen to run this distance (at least if Nuguse still would have been frontrunning).
Kerr did you watch me run 3:43 beat the beast of America, Europe and Africa and the very next day run 7:23, the equiv of a sub 8 min two mile and beating a great field, your one race doesn't impress me, hehehe , lol Jakob E.
PS. He should give Fisher a ton of credit as he made the pace. If I was Grant, I would have maybe considered trying to outkick Kerr. That's what Fisher needs to work on anyway, right?
Why would a 10k guy let the 1500m world champ let the place go slow, and then try to outkick him? I liked your first post, but this is just idiotic.
Except Kerr didn't want the pace to be slow. He stated long ago that he was shooting for the WR. It would have been interesting to see what transpired if Kerr and Fisher were flip flopped when the pacers were done. Not saying Fisher would have won, but certainly curious what happens with Kerr trying to set the WR and Fisher getting dragged along.
In a normal race you're absolutely correct. Kerr would sit and use his kick for the win, but this was Kerr's WR attempt with Fisher crashing the party.
Jakob is in serious trouble now. This + Jakob's injury makes him not the favorite to win the olympic 1500 gold
I would agree and disagree with what you wrote here.
Disagree that Jakob is in serious trouble - he's still the fastest and most talented guy in the world that has already won this medal (something I think for some reason is constantly forgotten/overlooked due to the two WC silvers in the last 2 seasons).
But agree that he might now not be the favorite to win the Olympic 1500m title. Maybe Kerr is in fact now the favorite and deservedly so. Because seriously, are these guys going to race each other before Paris? I doubt it. Given how infrequently Kerr runs on the circuit does he maybe run one DL before Paris and I doubt that is head to head with Jakob. So if that happens, he would go in as the reigning world champion with a very solid indoor season behind him and I am sure an impressive couple of outdoor races - yeah, he's the favorite.
And I'll say this - I doubt that concerns J.I one bit. In fact, I think he would probably relish and feed off that. I think he'd be more than happy to lump all the favoritism on the wrap-around sunglass collection of Josh Kerr and see how he deals with that weight of expectation for once vs being the underdog.
Josh Kerr is starting to act like he did in ‘18 after he set the NCAA 1500m record while running @ UNM - watch/re-watch the 2018 NCAA 1500m final in Eugene to see how that season turned out
The indoor 3k record is only 3 seconds slower than the outdoor record. On that basis, the indoor 2 mile mark should be around 3 seconds slower. But Kerr’s record is 6 seconds slower. That easily suggests he is not in Ingebrigtsen’s outdoor ball-park.
Anyone can cherry-pick to prove a point. Your “arithmetic” doesn’t mean anything. The fact is that no serious fan of the sport considers 8:00 remotely comparable to 7:54. Josh Kerr doesn’t either, but you clearly know better than him.
Kerr isn't going to say his record is worth the same until he takes it.
But the undeniable fact is that there is a considerable differential across the board between indoor and outdoor records - and many great runners held both. An example was Coe, who ran 1:41.7 for the 800 outdoors and 1:44.9 indoors. That's over 3 seconds difference at that distance (which is a quarter of the distance Kerr ran to set his record). The differential for the 1500/mile records is over 4 seconds. The logical inference is that Kerr's mark is therefore worth much more than 8:00 outdoors and quite likely 5-6 seconds. That isn't cherry-picking. But your comparing the 3k records is, which don't fit the historical trend for these events.
Jakob just ran 3:45.15 for the indoor Mile, I guess that means he can run 3:41 and 3:25 flat for the outdoor 1500/Mile according to you? Right? Right.......................?
