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2 years ago 10/27/2023 11:40am EDT

re: The Stache

The Stache wrote:
Why do so many of you care if a cross country course is measured perfectly accurately? Who cares? It's cross country. Every course is different terrain, elevation, elevation changes, weather conditions, etc, so they're never truly comparable anyway. You race to the finish, no matter if it's 5.9k or 6.1k. What matters at each split is the place and the time difference between athletes, not the actual time or K split

So if the Men's NCAA championship 10K course is only 8500 meters. - you are okay with that? And the women's 6000 meter course is 5300 meters? Are you nuts?

2 years ago 10/27/2023 11:42am EDT

re: Sally Vix

Sally Vix wrote:
The Stache wrote:
Why do so many of you care if a cross country course is measured perfectly accurately? Who cares? It's cross country. Every course is different terrain, elevation, elevation changes, weather conditions, etc, so they're never truly comparable anyway. You race to the finish, no matter if it's 5.9k or 6.1k. What matters at each split is the place and the time difference between athletes, not the actual time or K split
So if the Men's NCAA championship 10K course is only 8500 meters. - you are okay with that? And the women's 6000 meter course is 5300 meters? Are you nuts?

*high-five*

2 years ago 10/27/2023 11:44am EDT

re: Sally Vix

Sally Vix wrote:
The Stache wrote:
Why do so many of you care if a cross country course is measured perfectly accurately? Who cares? It's cross country. Every course is different terrain, elevation, elevation changes, weather conditions, etc, so they're never truly comparable anyway. You race to the finish, no matter if it's 5.9k or 6.1k. What matters at each split is the place and the time difference between athletes, not the actual time or K split
So if the Men's NCAA championship 10K course is only 8500 meters. - you are okay with that? And the women's 6000 meter course is 5300 meters? Are you nuts?

? I doubt the course was that far off. Maybe they will re-wheel it? Maybe somebody can check Strava to see if any runners were wearing watches. I saw at least one Alabama male checking his watch.

2 years ago 10/27/2023 11:46am EDT

re: Sally Vix

Sally Vix wrote:
The Stache wrote:
Why do so many of you care if a cross country course is measured perfectly accurately? Who cares? It's cross country. Every course is different terrain, elevation, elevation changes, weather conditions, etc, so they're never truly comparable anyway. You race to the finish, no matter if it's 5.9k or 6.1k. What matters at each split is the place and the time difference between athletes, not the actual time or K split
So if the Men's NCAA championship 10K course is only 8500 meters. - you are okay with that? And the women's 6000 meter course is 5300 meters? Are you nuts?

Well 8500 is well outside of error. But if the championship 10k was 9.8k or 10.2k, I'd be fine with it. Yes, seriously.

2 years ago 10/27/2023 11:50am EDT

re: UpperState

UpperState wrote:
Vowel Bee Mania wrote:
If you look at the splits, it seems like both the men and women ran significantly faster for 4K-5K. Men sudden;y jumped to 2:35 from 3:13/3:01 for the previous two. Valby went to 2:53 from 3:30/3:22.
Yeah, maybe 200 meters short in that section, so a 5,800 meter event overall? I’d buy that.

If one of those “Ks” is short (and I doubt it’s by as much as 200m) it doesn’t mean the course is short by the same amount—other K splits could be long. I doubt Valby only ran 16:58 5k pace the final K (18:10 pace for Olemomoi that section).

It wouldn’t surprise me at all if the course is short, but we’re talking up to 50m, not 200. If the last K was long, you can throw out the “15:13 5k” and just say she would have run 15:31 5k pace for an additional K. Is that really so unbelievable? She demolished Olemomoi, who’s run 15:17 on the track, by 46 seconds! A couple weeks ago she distanced herself from a woman who’s run 15:03 by 12 seconds. And Valby herself ran a 15:30 to win NCAAs in horrible heat and humidity and with a visible limp.

For what it’s worth, I think Noe ran a great race today and she was 6 seconds faster than she was at Pre-Nats in VA; her teammate Thorvaldsen was 9 seconds faster. Thorvaldsen has run 15:41 on the track and was 72 seconds behind Valby today…

This honestly has to be one of the most impressive NCAA women’s XC performances ever.

2 years ago 10/27/2023 12:05pm EDT

re: John Wesley Harding

Valby has never run a track 5000 off of a healthy training block so her PR is misleading. Her 15:20 PR was set a little over 4 months after breaking her foot and only a month after she started running again.

2 years ago 10/27/2023 12:07pm EDT

re: John Wesley Harding

John Wesley Harding wrote:
UpperState wrote:
Yeah, maybe 200 meters short in that section, so a 5,800 meter event overall? I’d buy that.
If one of those “Ks” is short (and I doubt it’s by as much as 200m) it doesn’t mean the course is short by the same amount—other K splits could be long. I doubt Valby only ran 16:58 5k pace the final K (18:10 pace for Olemomoi that section).
It wouldn’t surprise me at all if the course is short, but we’re talking up to 50m, not 200. If the last K was long, you can throw out the “15:13 5k” and just say she would have run 15:31 5k pace for an additional K. Is that really so unbelievable? She demolished Olemomoi, who’s run 15:17 on the track, by 46 seconds! A couple weeks ago she distanced herself from a woman who’s run 15:03 by 12 seconds. And Valby herself ran a 15:30 to win NCAAs in horrible heat and humidity and with a visible limp.
For what it’s worth, I think Noe ran a great race today and she was 6 seconds faster than she was at Pre-Nats in VA; her teammate Thorvaldsen was 9 seconds faster. Thorvaldsen has run 15:41 on the track and was 72 seconds behind Valby today…
This honestly has to be one of the most impressive NCAA women’s XC performances ever.

Absolutely agree at the performance itself. Hopefully I’ll be able to catch a re-play of the race to actually “see” it!

2 years ago 10/27/2023 12:10pm EDT

re: John Wesley Harding

2 years ago 10/27/2023 12:12pm EDT

re: John Wesley Harding

John Wesley Harding wrote:
UpperState wrote:
Yeah, maybe 200 meters short in that section, so a 5,800 meter event overall? I’d buy that.
If one of those “Ks” is short (and I doubt it’s by as much as 200m) it doesn’t mean the course is short by the same amount—other K splits could be long. I doubt Valby only ran 16:58 5k pace the final K (18:10 pace for Olemomoi that section).
It wouldn’t surprise me at all if the course is short, but we’re talking up to 50m, not 200. If the last K was long, you can throw out the “15:13 5k” and just say she would have run 15:31 5k pace for an additional K. Is that really so unbelievable? She demolished Olemomoi, who’s run 15:17 on the track, by 46 seconds! A couple weeks ago she distanced herself from a woman who’s run 15:03 by 12 seconds. And Valby herself ran a 15:30 to win NCAAs in horrible heat and humidity and with a visible limp.
For what it’s worth, I think Noe ran a great race today and she was 6 seconds faster than she was at Pre-Nats in VA; her teammate Thorvaldsen was 9 seconds faster. Thorvaldsen has run 15:41 on the track and was 72 seconds behind Valby today…
This honestly has to be one of the most impressive NCAA women’s XC performances ever.

That faster (in time) 6k last year was impressive (although claimed a short course.) Nuttycombe was very impressive, especially for a Florida sunshine gal. Supposedly, the previous Nuttycombe course record was run on a shorter variant.

2 years ago 10/27/2023 12:36pm EDT

re: John Wesley Harding

John Wesley Harding wrote:
UpperState wrote:
Yeah, maybe 200 meters short in that section, so a 5,800 meter event overall? I’d buy that.
If one of those “Ks” is short (and I doubt it’s by as much as 200m) it doesn’t mean the course is short by the same amount—other K splits could be long. I doubt Valby only ran 16:58 5k pace the final K (18:10 pace for Olemomoi that section).
It wouldn’t surprise me at all if the course is short, but we’re talking up to 50m, not 200. If the last K was long, you can throw out the “15:13 5k” and just say she would have run 15:31 5k pace for an additional K. Is that really so unbelievable? She demolished Olemomoi, who’s run 15:17 on the track, by 46 seconds! A couple weeks ago she distanced herself from a woman who’s run 15:03 by 12 seconds. And Valby herself ran a 15:30 to win NCAAs in horrible heat and humidity and with a visible limp.
For what it’s worth, I think Noe ran a great race today and she was 6 seconds faster than she was at Pre-Nats in VA; her teammate Thorvaldsen was 9 seconds faster. Thorvaldsen has run 15:41 on the track and was 72 seconds behind Valby today…
This honestly has to be one of the most impressive NCAA women’s XC performances ever.

It was impressive. Mike Smith would have to be impressed by the "Gas, Gas, Gas".

Tough to assess these SEC races. Last year the top 6 averaged about 1 minute slower at Stillwater vs SEC. The lowest time increase was Tyynismaa at 41 seconds.

2 years ago 10/27/2023 12:39pm EDT

re: cross country

Based off garmin data I have for one of the female athletes, it was pretty spot on. Her 5k split on watch was 4sec off the timing split and total distance measured at 3.76.

2 years ago 10/27/2023 12:39pm EDT

re: Vowel Bee Mania

Vowel Bee Mania wrote:
UpperState wrote:
No WAY that can be legit.
That’d be a PR 5k for Valby on the TRACK at 15:13 split, and keep going to run 18:37?
No way I buy that this course is accurately measured.
If you look at the splits, it seems like both the men and women ran significantly faster for 4K-5K. Men sudden;y jumped to 2:35 from 3:13/3:01 for the previous two. Valby went to 2:53 from 3:30/3:22.

It is just like last year. the splits show the whole field accellerating and decellerating

2 years ago 10/27/2023 12:41pm EDT

re: John Wesley Harding

John Wesley Harding
If one of those “Ks” is short (and I doubt it’s by as much as 200m) it doesn’t mean the course is short by the same amount—other K splits could be long. I doubt Valby only ran 16:58 5k pace the final K (18:10 pace for Olemomoi that section).
It wouldn’t surprise me at all if the course is short, but we’re talking up to 50m, not 200. If the last K was long, you can throw out the “15:13 5k” and just say she would have run 15:31 5k pace for an additional K. Is that really so unbelievable? She demolished Olemomoi, who’s run 15:17 on the track, by 46 seconds! A couple weeks ago she distanced herself from a woman who’s run 15:03 by 12 seconds. And Valby herself ran a 15:30 to win NCAAs in horrible heat and humidity and with a visible limp.

The splits were way way off but in absolute times I am shocked she beat Olemomoi by so much. She beat her by 20 seconds at SEC last year, this year by 46... that's a big gap. And Chmiel by 35 at nuttycombe.

2 years ago 10/27/2023 12:51pm EDT

re: Msaroni

Msaroni wrote:
Based off garmin data I have for one of the female athletes, it was pretty spot on. Her 5k split on watch was 4sec off the timing split and total distance measured at 3.76.

Interesting, thanks. 👍

The overall distance is obviously more important than inaccurate split distances.

2 years ago 10/27/2023 1:24pm EDT

re: Blank231

Blank231 wrote:
The splits were way way off but in absolute times I am shocked she beat Olemomoi by so much. She beat her by 20 seconds at SEC last year, this year by 46... that's a big gap. And Chmiel by 35 at nuttycombe.

Olemomoi had a bad day. Both her and Lemngole tried to hang with Valby and paid the price. Asekol who stayed back was closer to Valby than last year at SECs and also closer than she was at Nuttycombe. A good day for her.

It will be interesting to see what Lacctic comes up with. Nuttycombe is rated at 15:03 and last year's SEC at 15:00.

2 years ago 10/27/2023 1:24pm EDT

re: Vowel Bee Mania

I just ran in SECs. It’s accurate through 8k. Markers were off at one point. First 800 nets -30 feet. 8k was wheeled to 5.01.

2 years ago 10/27/2023 1:26pm EDT

re: FreeAsbel

6k was marked to 3.77.

2 years ago 10/27/2023 1:35pm EDT

re: fh.

fh. wrote:
Olemomoi had a bad day. Both her and Lemngole tried to hang with Valby and paid the price. Asekol who stayed back was closer to Valby than last year at SECs and also closer than she was at Nuttycombe. A good day for her.
It will be interesting to see what Lacctic comes up with. Nuttycombe is rated at 15:03 and last year's SEC at 15:00.

I think they will rate it in the 14:50-14:55 range.

2 years ago 10/27/2023 1:37pm EDT

re: Blank231

Personally I thought her performance at Nuttycombe was better than this one

2 years ago 10/27/2023 1:38pm EDT

re: Blank231

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