Assefa 2:11:53 is clean because....

Also, it's very possible that the $500 Adidas shoe is actually a meaningful improvement on current supershoe tech

I hear you, but with her marathon time there is no way she could NOT break the 5000 and 1000 WR's. 2:11:53 is just so far out there she should be able to physiologically break both 14 and 29.

*10,000 sorry

This is like nick symmonds switching the marathon and running 1:58

Totally not doping

His 17th post today in this thread. For sure the post includes calling others to be stupid.

In another thread he has posted 22 times today - including a lot of downgrading other posters.

He has posted probably more than 50 times just today. Any argument which destroys his view is being ignored.

What's the benefit of such posters? Anybody knows also without him there is a lot of doping in athletics.

If people ignored T&F because of drugs, why don't they ignore the NFL and baseball?

Ghost1, you are an apologist believing a fantasy. Ethiopia is fertile ground for easy EPO doping. Ethiopian authorities themselves busted 7 runners back in June of this year. See this article for better education. facts rather than your fantastical propaganda. Sorry, but no one in their right mind would assert that Assefa hit that time while clean. You are wrong.

theguardian.com

Inside the doping hotspot of Ethiopia: dodgy testing and EPO over the counter

https://www.theguardian.com/profile/martha-kelner

Guardian investigation shows how easy it is to obtain doping products, uncovers disorganisation at the Ethiopian anti-doping agency and catches leading athlete admitting to having taken performance-enhancing drugs

Link:www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/aug/04/...

Two cents: Media coverage and commercial interests as well as entertainment value.

Throughout most of Western history no rules outlawed sexual contact between men of any age with girls of any age. A fifty year old guy could have intercourse with a 13 year old girl. Doing that now gets the guy in a load of trouble. Rules and laws change. The rules about amateurism were neither right nor wrong. Changing them to allow professionalism is neither right nor wrong. They just are and people in the sport they govern need to deal with them.

Lastly, if I believed that every record breaking performance had to be the result of doping, I simply wouldn't follow the sport at the pro level. If you think that way, why are you here?

I lost interest in records years ago largely because I'm inclined to believe that we're past the point where world records can be set without the use of PEDs. I readily acknowledge that I may be wrong about that so I won't call a particular athlete a doper just because they post times that I think are unattainable without PEDs. But I'm just not interested or impressed by records anymore.

But I am still interested in competition. Races that are real races rather than glorified time trials are interesting to me. Even if I think most people in that race are doping I can be interested in the race because the athletes have largely neutralized the doping advantages each one has.

To me Berlin was so boring I stopped watching it at the men's 30k mark. The squadron of pacers, the obvious doping. It's not worth my time. And because of the money the participation marathons generate, this will become the norm; science experiments ruled by greedy, ruthless European coaches and agents running against increasingly ridiculous records.

I said there is doping in chess. I didn't say there is a "rampant problem" - that is you shifting the goal posts. However the fact that WADA has an express antidoping protocol shows that it exists as a problem. There has also been a case reported not so long ago involving a top level player. The point I was making is that doping can be found in virtually any competitive activity but you are too stupid to understand that.

Faster. Quite possibly 2:03-4.

Your attitude is profoundly offensive to any athlete who doesn't cheat. Valerie Adams finished second to an athlete from Belarusa in the 2012 Olympic shot-put. The athlete, Astapchuk, subsequently tested positive for banned substance as a result of retested blood samples. Adams was outraged that she had been cheated out of her Olympic moment in winning the competition. Any athlete would be.

You are incapable of understanding how a clean athlete who has been cheated out of a genuine accomplishment might feel. On this, you live in a moral vacuum, devoid of any principle that conforms to sportsmanship.

If that is so you should have no objection to my pointing it out. But the fact is most fans reject that. They are the ones here I tend to respond to - and there are many of them.

But I see your problem is not the egregious doping that has just been demonstrated once again in the sport but my commenting on it. For someone who professes to acknowledging the sport has a doping issue you seem to have your priorities around the wrong way. I am not the problem; doping is.

By your reasoning there shouldn't be any rules in sport. Perhaps you pine for the days of the Roman Coliseum? You have just demonstrated that you have never competed at a meaningful level in any sport.

You should stick to playing with a ball at the beach; here you merely come across as a nerd who theorises about that which he has no experience of.

That doping hasn't taken over the sport since the 1970's. But then history can't be changed.

"This is my philosophy for athletics. It’s not cheating to use science to get better at running, that’s just being an athlete that cares about what they do. You call it “cheating” but that doesn’t make it so."(quote)

Athletes aren't "using science" to get better at running if they are doping - that's what training, nutrition and technical advances achieve, that are also accessible to any athlete. With doping athletes are using methods to gain an advantage that other athletes won't have or choose to employ, that could also harm their health.

Doping is like a scholar who uses A.I. to write their thesis for them or answer their exam questions; it isn't their own work. Passed off as theirs, it is a form of cheating. In the same way, drugs do what the athlete can't do by dint of their own talent and efforts - or they wouldn't use them - which means the achievement is false and is a deception against those who succeed on their own merits.

Since you have no idea about how cheating is anathema to what sports are about you show that nothing matters to you except "crossing the line first". There couldn't be a clearer demonstration of a sociopathic mindset.

Yeah but we dont know for a fact that valerie was clean,either.I wouldnt have thought she was,at that leval.Still,i agree with what youre saying.