The second place runner Maatoug had run the 800 final less than 40 minutes earlier.
The hype really is incredible. I was reading comments under a Tuohy YouTube video and at least 5 different commenters compared her to Secretariat.
Meanwhile I'm sure I won't be popular in those comments because I pointed out that Tuohy would only be the 6th fastest Ethiopian this season, and 2 of the 5 ahead of her are younger than she is. Two of the others are mere months older. Only Tsegay is years older.
And that doesn't even include all the Ethiopian distance stars who haven't even competed indoors this year, like Gidey. Taye turned 23 two weeks ago and ran 8:26 indoors last year. Her one indoor race was only 8:47 but that's because it turned into a tactical race against several other Ethiopians, with Freweyni Hailu defeating Taye in a sprint finish.
That's the "wrong" Hailu. Frewenyi had never run 3000 before, either indoors or outdoors, before defeating such a strong field during a major indoor meet. She is 22 and has always prioritized 800 or 1500.
Tuohy hype is fine as long as we have realistic impressions of where she stands globally. Even if she managed lead pack she would be destroyed by the late kick of almost all the Ethiopians named above.
Same old BS. You saw her beat all expectations at the Millrose Games. That’s because she had real pro competition. And she still finished 3rd, destroying the old mark by 6 seconds. When’s the last time a WR went down by those numbers? Put her in some races against the Ethiopian/Kenyans and her improvement will be effected. With marginal competition the improvements come slower. There are no guarantees. Our athletes have football/baseball/basketball to compete for their talents. Running is way down the line of attention getters. Listening to you we should give up since we’ll never be able to compete. I heard the same thing about soccer and other sports not born in America. The naysayers come out of the woodwork around here, like clockwork. Showing off their jealousies, bitterness and ignorance. I sure hope the athletes don’t read this ankle-biting garbage. It might effect their enthusiasm for the sport…
Same old BS. You saw her beat all expectations at the Millrose Games. That’s because she had real pro competition. And she still finished 3rd, destroying the old mark by 6 seconds. When’s the last time a WR went down by those numbers? Put her in some races against the Ethiopian/Kenyans and her improvement will be effected. With marginal competition the improvements come slower. There are no guarantees. Our athletes have football/baseball/basketball to compete for their talents. Running is way down the line of attention getters. Listening to you we should give up since we’ll never be able to compete. I heard the same thing about soccer and other sports not born in America. The naysayers come out of the woodwork around here, like clockwork. Showing off their jealousies, bitterness and ignorance. I sure hope the athletes don’t read this ankle-biting garbage. It might effect their enthusiasm for the sport…
Affected, not effected, learn grammar.
Quite the comeback. Leave it to jerks to miss the entire point. Full stop!
I don't understand. So a 12 year old runs that time and that somehow makes it easy for every college runner to do it? Funny that only a handful can do it even though you think thousands of college runners should.
I don't understand. So a 12 year old runs that time and that somehow makes it easy for every college runner to do it? Funny that only a handful can do it even though you think thousands of college runners should.
If a 12 year old girl in Japan can run 9:02 for 3k, then a 20 year old running just 11 seconds faster should be a cake walk... because it should be unremarkable. This is what I was saying.
That only a handful (of American women) can do it says that there is something really wrong with how American women are coached. This seems to be what you are saying.
I don't understand. So a 12 year old runs that time and that somehow makes it easy for every college runner to do it? Funny that only a handful can do it even though you think thousands of college runners should.
If a 12 year old girl in Japan can run 9:02 for 3k, then a 20 year old running just 11 seconds faster should be a cake walk... because it should be unremarkable. This is what I was saying.
That only a handful (of American women) can do it says that there is something really wrong with how American women are coached. This seems to be what you are saying.
If true, that girl is someone to be tracked. So what you’re saying is either Japanese girls or training methods are far superior to ours in the US? Can you point to other extraordinary feats of Japanese tween runners? Please reference this unicorn and/or their superior coaching methods. Thanks.
I don't understand. So a 12 year old runs that time and that somehow makes it easy for every college runner to do it? Funny that only a handful can do it even though you think thousands of college runners should.
If a 12 year old girl in Japan can run 9:02 for 3k, then a 20 year old running just 11 seconds faster should be a cake walk... because it should be unremarkable. This is what I was saying.
That only a handful (of American women) can do it says that there is something really wrong with how American women are coached. This seems to be what you are saying.
I thought this was a bit of an exaggeration and found the article that indicates her age to be 15 not 12. Tuohy was a 16 when she ran her indoors 9:01 HS record. In the same ballpark if you recognize that indoors records are a few seconds slower than outdoors…so unless Drury has a big improvement when she turns 16, it’s roughly equivalent, though still very impressive. Tuohy beat a number of pro’s in her Dr. Sanders record run. Let’s see what she can do in a few years time.
If a 12 year old girl in Japan can run 9:02 for 3k, then a 20 year old running just 11 seconds faster should be a cake walk... because it should be unremarkable. This is what I was saying.
That only a handful (of American women) can do it says that there is something really wrong with how American women are coached. This seems to be what you are saying.
I thought this was a bit of an exaggeration and found the article that indicates her age to be 15 not 12. Tuohy was a 16 when she ran her indoors 9:01 HS record. In the same ballpark if you recognize that indoors records are a few seconds slower than outdoors…so unless Drury has a big improvement when she turns 16, it’s roughly equivalent, though still very impressive. Tuohy beat a number of pro’s in her Dr. Sanders record run. Let’s see what she can do in a few years time.
To play devils advocate if she's running similar times to Tuohy at similar ages you'd think this website would be hyping her up the same way. Also someone like Sembo Almayew who has run the same 3k time indoors as Tuohy and is almost a full 3 years younger than Tuohy (just turned 18 a month ago).
I think i've made clear in past posts that I think Tuohy is a remarkable talent and i hope she truly is the next great American distance running medal contender, even better than Flanagan, Goucher or Simpson on recent times.
But at a certain point, probably at 20 years old, Age range times start to become less and less meaningful. They ran "X" at 21 years old doesn't play so well when you have people like Mu, Hodgkingson, Ingebrigtsen, Jacob Krop etc., who are winning global medals at the same age.
The supposed prodigy from Japan has been a staple of this board for years. It is almost a meme. :)
Pro running internationally is what it is. We know the practices that people are engaging in. I don't worry about comparing KT to athletes in other systems or programs, be it European clubs or "cultures of running" (Lol). The natural talent is very real, albeit in a sport where natural talent runs into a chemical wall. If she can join a good pro team, reach the top tier of US distance running, make a world team or two, hopefully an Olympics, that would be an exceptional career.
I did and found your claim to be at best misleading and most likely fake…the articles says she’s 15, not 12! Still impressive, but running a 9:02 in a straight line is equivalent to a 9:05/9:06 running around around a 200m oval. All articles I found indicate a 1-4% penalty to translate an indoor 200m to a 400m outdoor oval and at least that amount or more to running a straight line. Nothing wrong with a 15 yo running a conservatively estimated 9:06 but Tuohy at 16 was running 9:01. So now, once you have All the facts, we know that a majority of talented teens don’t make it to KT’s level at 20 so like many talented teens, all we can do monitor her progress. If she beats the odds and becomes an elite runner in her 20’s we can look at a Japanese runner being groomed for the Olympics. There’s a long road between those two points and progressions never go in a straight line. So calm down and relax and please stop exaggerating. Thanks!
The supposed prodigy from Japan has been a staple of this board for years. It is almost a meme. :)
Pro running internationally is what it is. We know the practices that people are engaging in. I don't worry about comparing KT to athletes in other systems or programs, be it European clubs or "cultures of running" (Lol). The natural talent is very real, albeit in a sport where natural talent runs into a chemical wall. If she can join a good pro team, reach the top tier of US distance running, make a world team or two, hopefully an Olympics, that would be an exceptional career.
Two more levels KT needs to hit to be an all-time legend:
1) Continue a bit further to reach 8:20/14:30 elite level (as part of a pro team). Get some international racing experience to hone racing tactics at the highest levels.
2) Make multiple world/Olympic teams to not just compete for but win Olympic medals. I hope, in a couple of years, we will see Tuohy run in her first Olympics and be a real medal contender. This past weekend we saw knowledgeable track fans recognize the unique talent with a standing ovation. I’ve been to several indoor track meets, with even a world record broken in one of them, but I’ve never seen a standing ovation for any athlete.
The supposed prodigy from Japan has been a staple of this board for years. It is almost a meme. :)
Pro running internationally is what it is. We know the practices that people are engaging in. I don't worry about comparing KT to athletes in other systems or programs, be it European clubs or "cultures of running" (Lol). The natural talent is very real, albeit in a sport where natural talent runs into a chemical wall. If she can join a good pro team, reach the top tier of US distance running, make a world team or two, hopefully an Olympics, that would be an exceptional career.
Two more levels KT needs to hit to be an all-time legend:
1) Continue a bit further to reach 8:20/14:30 elite level (as part of a pro team). Get some international racing experience to hone racing tactics at the highest levels.
2) Make multiple world/Olympic teams to not just compete for but win Olympic medals. I hope, in a couple of years, we will see Tuohy run in her first Olympics and be a real medal contender. This past weekend we saw knowledgeable track fans recognize the unique talent with a standing ovation. I’ve been to several indoor track meets, with even a world record broken in one of them, but I’ve never seen a standing ovation for any athlete.
She hasn't even made a team yet. That would be the next stop before even talking all time legend. To do that this summer she will have to get through Shweizer, Cranny, Monson (who may do the 5k), Morgan, Henes, Rogers, infeld and others . I think it is possible, but the 5k will be very competitive
And since the Tuohy crowd forever wants to continue comparing Tuohy to older runners at the same age, why don't they compare younger runners at the same age? Cook is the US U20 5000 record holder for example.
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