I just re-watched the 2012 men's 800m final -- one of my favorite races in recent track history.
Nijel seemed to experience a minor re-emergence this year.
I don't think he necessarily age cheated. He might just not know his actual day? Also, generally Americans look younger (up to a point where drugs, lack of sleep, etc., catch up with you).
We just need one more to get popped and Nick Symmonds has a medal! Of course we also need to get on same page of retroactively taking medals away. That 800 was way way too fast to be clean. 5th place would be gold in any other olympics if i recall.
USA probably won both 800 and 1500 in 2012 - Bison in the 800, and Manzano in the 1500.
Maybe we now know why Rowland left OTC and ran to Canada?
I think this is something separate to that.
Call me a conspiracist but saw on instagram that Amos was an ambassador for 'blood booster active 15' which is known to boost EPO levels and other stuff by astronomic levels even if it is claimed to be within WADA boundaries. Another one of their current ambassadors is Mo Katir and his improvement has mirrored the supplement's effects in being astronomic as well. If you look very closely at the instagram story of trackstaa's account you can see that Marcin Lewendowski liked the post promoting the supplement and with his recent retirement, which came not so long after his bronze at the worlds in 2019 meaning his retirement was hardly prompted by a lack of form or ability, it might show he was trying to stop before he got exposed like Amos did. With all 3 of these athletes and maybe others connected to the brand that have retired seemingly without much of a reason it's hard to deny that something suspicious is going on with this company.
We just need one more to get popped and Nick Symmonds has a medal! Of course we also need to get on same page of retroactively taking medals away. That 800 was way way too fast to be clean. 5th place would be gold in any other olympics if i recall.
How do we know Youtuber Nick was clean?
Both Symmonds and Amos had Rowland as a coach, ran the same distances, etc... so if one was doping, what does that say about the other?
Talk about risking long term health for short term athletic success with this drug. I hope Nigel knew the side effects and wasn’t just taking something because he was advised it would make him faster.
Talk about risking long term health for short term athletic success with this drug. I hope Nigel knew the side effects and wasn’t just taking something because he was advised it would make him faster.
Not sure I follow.
he DID run faster. What side effects has he had?
You say the drugs he took were adverse for his health, but the only evidence we have to test that theory are that they may him extremely good at running. Could it be that the drugs actually made him fitter?
I mean, if the drugs were bad for his health, then he should have gotten slower when he used them…
Maybe we now know why Rowland left OTC and ran to Canada?
I think this is something separate to that.
Call me a conspiracist but saw on instagram that Amos was an ambassador for 'blood booster active 15' which is known to boost EPO levels and other stuff by astronomic levels even if it is claimed to be within WADA boundaries. Another one of their current ambassadors is Mo Katir and his improvement has mirrored the supplement's effects in being astronomic as well. If you look very closely at the instagram story of trackstaa's account you can see that Marcin Lewendowski liked the post promoting the supplement and with his recent retirement, which came not so long after his bronze at the worlds in 2019 meaning his retirement was hardly prompted by a lack of form or ability, it might show he was trying to stop before he got exposed like Amos did. With all 3 of these athletes and maybe others connected to the brand that have retired seemingly without much of a reason it's hard to deny that something suspicious is going on with this company.
According to a European website that sells the stuff...
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All of that would definitely boost 800m performance. Amos has been on a contract that almost certainly has reduction clauses. He hasn't put in a good amount of races for several years due to injuries. Wonder what that supplement company is paying him as their Ambassador? Amos may have made the decision to make some money as he closed out his career.
Talk about risking long term health for short term athletic success with this drug. I hope Nigel knew the side effects and wasn’t just taking something because he was advised it would make him faster.
Not sure I follow.
he DID run faster. What side effects has he had?
You say the drugs he took were adverse for his health, but the only evidence we have to test that theory are that they may him extremely good at running. Could it be that the drugs actually made him fitter?
I mean, if the drugs were bad for his health, then he should have gotten slower when he used them…
possible cancer. Granted most all of these PEDs have adverse side effects.
Jgt11 wrote: "GW1516, also known as GW501516, Cardarine and Endurobol, was originally developed in the 1990s as a treatment for diabetes, obesity and cardiovascular disease. It was discontinued in 2007 after it was linked to the rapid development of cancer during trials on mice. GW1516 works by forcing skeletal muscle to use fat rather than carbohydrates as an energy source. Used by some for fat loss, in the context of athletic enhancement, GW1516 also has benefits as an endurance aid. GW1516 has been linked to a number of positive doping tests in endurance-related sports. After a number of positive tests for GW1516 in 2013, WADA released a warning on its health risks. In 2015 and 2016 there were less than six positive tests for GW1516 globally each year. In 2017 however, the number of positive tests for GW1516 rose to 31. In June 2018 the Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA) included GW1516 in the Poisons Standard under Schedule 10 – a schedule reserved for substances of such danger to health as to warrant the prohibition of sale, supply and use. Athletes seeking to obtain an “edge” from the use of GW1516 need to be aware that they risk more than a positive test if they choose to take it – they may be risking their life.""GW1516 appears to “have an effect on a gene that’s involved in the building and regulation of muscle” — a gene known as PPAR-delta. The research done by Evans and his colleagues showed that giving GW1516 to the mice enhanced the activity of the PPAR-delta gene, leading to the development of slow-twitch muscle that will preferentially burn fat over sugar or muscle protein. You can see the benefit for endurance athletes here: if exercise is burning fat rather than carbohydrates and muscle protein, then you can utilise more energy sources without losing muscle mass." Seems the drug would be used for weight loss as the fat metabolism and slow twitch benefits would not help an 800m. Such a dangerous drug as well, if Nijel is really using it he clearly needs professional help as he is risking his life for such marginally better performance.
LOL - the supplement container is labeled "DOPING FREE", for the product called "Active15"!
The list of ingredients doesn't show that chemical.
Amos should have samples from his containers tested and if any of them contain the banned substance then get himself a good attorney and file a lawsuit against the supplement company (SCN, "Strength and Conditioning Nutrition" company in the UK.) If that chemical can be added to the supplement they will claim it wasn't in their product. If the chemical is chemically bonded at the time of manufacture, then he can nail them.
I don't agree that he wasn't deserving of being in the conversation for a medal. It was only a few years ago that he ran another sub 1:42, the longest ever between 1:41s by far. He was already suspect not only because he appeared on the scene almost miraculously at 1:41 in 2012, coming into the year with maybe 1:46 or 1:47, claiming a dubious age of 18, and was famous for leaving training for long periods before suddenly re-appearing very fast. He had problems in championships for whatever reason, maybe not doping for them, who knows? But any athlete with previous doping control agency issues who runs 1:41 after that many years had to be suspect. However, as bad as this substance is for people and animals, it is possible that some unscrupulous supplement company was putting it in their supplements, so we'll have to wait and see on that defense.
We just need one more to get popped and Nick Symmonds has a medal! Of course we also need to get on same page of retroactively taking medals away. That 800 was way way too fast to be clean. 5th place would be gold in any other olympics if i recall.
USA probably won both 800 and 1500 in 2012 - Bison in the 800, and Manzano in the 1500.
Hello there. Have been away for some times. Heard the news about Mo Farah (more accurately Hussein Abdi Kahine)?
When I do a search for the compound, Google tells me that the most popular associated search is "gw1516 where to buy."
Too bad it causes rapid cancer growth, because it sounds like it could be a wonder drug with potential important clinical value. I suspect that the willing guinea pigs of sport could offer some worthwhile data on the incidence of cancer in micro-dosed humans.
LOL - the supplement container is labeled "DOPING FREE", for the product called "Active15"!
The list of ingredients doesn't show that chemical.
Amos should have samples from his containers tested and if any of them contain the banned substance then get himself a good attorney and file a lawsuit against the supplement company (SCN, "Strength and Conditioning Nutrition" company in the UK.) If that chemical can be added to the supplement they will claim it wasn't in their product. If the chemical is chemically bonded at the time of manufacture, then he can nail them.
Forgive me if I’m wrong, but although the magic EPO juice states that it’s “doping free”, if it’s not tested/verified by Informed Sport, then isn’t it the athlete’s fault if there’s any banned substance present? Informed Sport labels recognise that each batch is free from any contaminant that could produce a positive test, and are present on many supplements from larger companies. Looking at the website for SC Nutrition, I can’t see the badge on the product in question, so unless I’m mistaken Amos wouldn’t be able to use such a defence (although maybe in court, he’d be able to press charges on the company, claiming that the “doping free” claims were fraudulent (although I’m by no means an expert on this side of it!!).
When I do a search for the compound, Google tells me that the most popular associated search is "gw1516 where to buy."
Too bad it causes rapid cancer growth, because it sounds like it could be a wonder drug with potential important clinical value. I suspect that the willing guinea pigs of sport could offer some worthwhile data on the incidence of cancer in micro-dosed humans.
SARMs aren't illegal in a lot of places so it is a common choice for guys in the gym and amateur athletes
Odd to think that the company has been associated with so many high profile athletes and it hasn’t been approved by informed sport. Asking for trouble in that respect.
Off the top of my head, I can name only two runners from Botswana - Amantle Montsho and Nijel Amos - and now both have tested positive for banned substances.
Amos also went missing from at least one drug test years ago, but did he accumulate the necessary number for suspension? I thought there was some attempt to attribute the missed tests to fear that he would test positive for marijuana, but that attribution becomes less credible now doesn't it?
Have to say that I am not surprised at all that he dopes, as I have been saying so since he emerged as a 17 year old and improved his pb from 1:47 to 1:41.7 in less than a year! Ridiculous time after a ridiculous progression and at a ridiculous age. He was also accused by a national newspaper in Botswana of purposely fleeing testers on 2 occasions. No smoke without fire. Good riddance.
Black page. Amos career becomes pretty sad now, when his peak turned out to be that amazing olympic silver and WJR at 18. Medal drought after that (bar Commonwealth where he did beat Rudisha) and in the dying lights of his career, trying for redemption, he goes out like this.
The idea that he was clean all these years and now started doping at 28 is fanciful at best and ignorant at worst. He is not at an age where he is past it and has a record of missing tests in the past. A Botswanan newspaper years ago accused him of deliberately fleeing testers when he was tipped off that they were coming to test him. His career projection screams of nefarious actions. Same for Kiprop. Any athlete who chooses to cheat at any specific time in their career is just as likely to cheat at any time in their careers. Both should have their times on the all time lists expunged. Maybe then, future athletes would think twice about going down that route.
him being 18 would make the improvement much more plausible than if he was 25, as you are suggesting.
Not improving for the rest of his career doesn't.
I would have argued until this news that it was possible to believe that his non-improvement was simply down to the magic of that race and the once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to get dragged along by a man on a mission to run a WR and win OG gold in one race. SOMEONE was gonna go 1:41 among the other seven who served as participant-spectators to Rudisha's performance, and it happened to be Amos. Now, obviously, it's all up for doubt. I'm still not sure his 1:41-at-18, under the circumstances it occurred under, is definitely dirty, but there's now no reason to defend that 1:41-at-18 either. Ring another bell for cynicism and strike another blow against romanticism in this often-frustrating sport.