When will legacy carmakers overtake Tesla EV sales?

Like I said earlier, if anyone ever does outsell Tesla, it will be the Chinese.

It seems you are wrong.

Toyota doesn't know much about building pure EVs. It's a completely different kind of vehicle.

Yes, Toyota was smart to come out with hybrids when they did. But since then they were stupid to put all their best R&D into hydrogen fuel cell vehicles.

Now they are way behind.

No, I'm right. Half of BYD's sales was plug-in hybrids.

Even with the Shanghai covid shutdown Tesla still sold more actual EVs.

Meh. It was either in WSJ or Forbes or something else I came across today. Can’t remember.

I’ve been purposely avoiding you posts because you seem too emotional for this discussion, but I’ll ask now anyway. Are you saying that quality will never hurt Tesla?

Correct. Hybrids are not comparable. Tesla will sell over 400k pure EVs in Q4.

I’m trying to imagine how building a pure EV is somehow more difficult than building a hybrid. I can’t.

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Yes. The quality is very good and continues to get better. People have been pulling out this "quality" trope for years now and it has never hurt Tesla. Publications like WSJ and Forbes love to take pot shots at Tesla but it never hurts sales.

Watch the YouTube videos from Sandy Munro. They are now in the process of doing a teardown and evaluation of the newest iteration of the Tesla Model Y. This car from Tesla's newest factory in Texas is built in three pieces. It has a gigacasting in front, a gigacasting in the rear, and a structural battery pack in the middle. Plus, it has a new type of battery cell, the 4680.

I'm sure all this doesn't mean much to the average person on this thread. But it is a revolutionary way to build a car. This replaces hundreds of small parts with a few large ones.

What you end up with is a lighter vehicle that can be assembled faster and cheaper. Fewer parts means less things can go wrong. It means panel gaps are more precise. Because it is lighter, you get more range per kWh. Or you can use fewer costly batteries to get the same range.

It means massive speed and profit that the other automakers can't begin to match. Anyone who says the legacy automakers know more about manufacturing doesn't understand what is actually happening. The legacy automakers are desperately trying to catch up with what Tesla is doing.

I'm sure the BS from this authoritative source will doom Tesla and the EV revolution.

In 2030, 90% of all light duty cars sold in the US will have a plug.

So ... we are modifying your promulgation now? LOL. We went from 90% of vehicles sold in 2030 will have a plug to now 90% of "light duty cars" sold in 2030 will have a plug.

“Publications like WSJ and Forbes love to take pot shots at Tesla but it never hurts sales.”

The ole “FAKE NEWS” mantra. It appears we have a Trumper in our midst. I hate to break the news this way, but Trump lost.

I've always said light duty vehicles. This is cars, trucks, SUVs, etc. I'm not including semis, dump trucks, and other large vehicles. It will take longer to electrify all those.

You don't know me very well, do you? Go check out my posts in the January 6 thread.

All media runs stories to generate clicks and ad revenue. Tesla doesn't spend money on advertising, but legacy auto spends billions. So which company is safe to run a negative story on?

WSJ and Forbes are businesses like any other. They do try to be fair, but in the end it's still a business.

You failed to answer my question.

I answered with the first word of my response.

The answer is "Yes." I am saying that quality will never hurt Tesla. It never has and it never will.

Lol I thought there was trolling going on before. That’s why I ignored your posts after a while. Now there is no doubt. Well played.

Think what you want.

I know the subject matter a lot better than the others on this thread. You would do well to heed what I have to say.

There is still time to make a lot of money on Tesla stock. I've been advising people to buy at around the $650 level. You could still get some at that price yesterday, but we might never see it that low again.

Of course, macro economic conditions are always at play and the market could take another dive. But Tesla is poised to grow profits by leaps and bounds toward the end of this year. Legacy auto doesn't have a chance.