It can be both. You aren't going to run with every athlete every day. You also don't need to run with them every day but it can be occasionally. There doesn't need to be a hard rule either way. Coaches that deal in absolute rules like this are the bad ones that hate their jobs.
No. It can't be. Too much familiarity. There needs to be a clear line between coach and athlete, and joining athletes for ANY training at all is inappropriate. Your comment about "absolute rules" is ridiculous. There are TONS of rules that are absolute that a coach should not do. It's bad for HS coaches and college coaches to train in any fashion with athletes. At the HS level, the potential optics is worse as the kids are mostly minors. All you need is one accusation of inappropriate behavior, and then when someone says, "he ran with the athletes all the time," it just solidifies the point that the coach wanted to be around the kids all the time. Not good. You are dead wrong about this. If a coach doesn't like his job because there's an "absolute rule" that he shouldn't run with the athletes, then he shouldn't be a coach.
Dude, you've been hammering this supposedly hard and fast rule for like a decade, and nobody agrees with you. The experience of running with one's coach is pretty much universal, unless one's coach is too old or out of shape. That means it's not remotely a "rule." It's just your opinion about how things should be, even though it's definitely not how they are. You're entitled to your opinion, I suppose, but the rest of the world thinks it's absurd.
Incidentally, it's quite common for schools to have an "absolute rule" that coaches DO run with their athletes because otherwise they're unsupervised minors wandering around a city while the school is responsible for them. And why would the "optics" be bad if a coach is running with a group of minors in a public place? How is that different from a coach running a soccer practice? Coaches for every other sport are "around the kids all the time." That's the job.
You're of course right that maintaining proper boundaries is important, but there's nothing inherently boundary-crossing about going for a run with your athletes. The boundary crossing depends on the conversations that you have, not the fact that you're running in the same vicinity as your team.
No. It can't be. Too much familiarity. There needs to be a clear line between coach and athlete, and joining athletes for ANY training at all is inappropriate. Your comment about "absolute rules" is ridiculous. There are TONS of rules that are absolute that a coach should not do. It's bad for HS coaches and college coaches to train in any fashion with athletes. At the HS level, the potential optics is worse as the kids are mostly minors. All you need is one accusation of inappropriate behavior, and then when someone says, "he ran with the athletes all the time," it just solidifies the point that the coach wanted to be around the kids all the time. Not good. You are dead wrong about this. If a coach doesn't like his job because there's an "absolute rule" that he shouldn't run with the athletes, then he shouldn't be a coach.
Dude, you've been hammering this supposedly hard and fast rule for like a decade, and nobody agrees with you. The experience of running with one's coach is pretty much universal, unless one's coach is too old or out of shape. That means it's not remotely a "rule." It's just your opinion about how things should be, even though it's definitely not how they are. You're entitled to your opinion, I suppose, but the rest of the world thinks it's absurd.
Incidentally, it's quite common for schools to have an "absolute rule" that coaches DO run with their athletes because otherwise they're unsupervised minors wandering around a city while the school is responsible for them. And why would the "optics" be bad if a coach is running with a group of minors in a public place? How is that different from a coach running a soccer practice? Coaches for every other sport are "around the kids all the time." That's the job.
You're of course right that maintaining proper boundaries is important, but there's nothing inherently boundary-crossing about going for a run with your athletes. The boundary crossing depends on the conversations that you have, not the fact that you're running in the same vicinity as your team.
1) People in this thread agree with me, so you are WRONG.
2) No, it is not universal that people run with their coaches. I never did. My kids never did, and all those coaches were young and fit enough to do it (on easy days anyway).
3) I call BS on that it's common for schools to have an "absolute rule" that coaches run with their athletes. Just BS. How could a school possibly expect a coach to keep up with stud HS runners? One of my kids was a HS All-American. The coaches didn't have a shot in hell at keeping up beyond a half mile. You are ridiculous. That is not a thing.
4) And finally, NOPE, boundary crossing when a coach runs with the team other than in the very small exception that I mentioned earlier.
Don't lie to try to make your argument. Too easy to refute, and lying is a sin.
Dude, you've been hammering this supposedly hard and fast rule for like a decade, and nobody agrees with you. The experience of running with one's coach is pretty much universal, unless one's coach is too old or out of shape. That means it's not remotely a "rule." It's just your opinion about how things should be, even though it's definitely not how they are. You're entitled to your opinion, I suppose, but the rest of the world thinks it's absurd.
Incidentally, it's quite common for schools to have an "absolute rule" that coaches DO run with their athletes because otherwise they're unsupervised minors wandering around a city while the school is responsible for them. And why would the "optics" be bad if a coach is running with a group of minors in a public place? How is that different from a coach running a soccer practice? Coaches for every other sport are "around the kids all the time." That's the job.
You're of course right that maintaining proper boundaries is important, but there's nothing inherently boundary-crossing about going for a run with your athletes. The boundary crossing depends on the conversations that you have, not the fact that you're running in the same vicinity as your team.
1) People in this thread agree with me, so you are WRONG.
2) No, it is not universal that people run with their coaches. I never did. My kids never did, and all those coaches were young and fit enough to do it (on easy days anyway).
3) I call BS on that it's common for schools to have an "absolute rule" that coaches run with their athletes. Just BS. How could a school possibly expect a coach to keep up with stud HS runners? One of my kids was a HS All-American. The coaches didn't have a shot in hell at keeping up beyond a half mile. You are ridiculous. That is not a thing.
4) And finally, NOPE, boundary crossing when a coach runs with the team other than in the very small exception that I mentioned earlier.
Don't lie to try to make your argument. Too easy to refute, and lying is a sin.
People in this thread disagree with you, so you are WRONG.
2) No, it is not universal that people run with their coaches. I never did. My kids never did, and all those coaches were young and fit enough to do it (on easy days anyway).
A sample of one is quite the persuasive argument.
As far as my thoughts, a coach is there to support his/her athletes. If running with them accomplishes that, then great. An example of this is a male coach who paces a faster female athlete in a tempo. If the coach truly is trying to "race" the athletes, that's a different story.
I probably missed this... What does a distance coach do while their kids are out running for an hour? How have I never thought of this? Lol
in cross country, there are days when it is NOTHING! but usually it can be meet prep, course setup, planning. I will often rotate my groups. Example: monday girls stay in for track work, boys out for run. Tuesday the opposite. Or maybe I have a very small number of kids who can handle an extra workout for the week.
My setup is kind of brutal. I coach boys and girls, varsity and modified by myself. So even on days where everybody is out, the distances can range from 2 miles to 10 miles, so I kind of have to hang back and wait on the mod squad, or I can go on a very short run to keep track of them and be back on campus when they are returning.
I probably missed this... What does a distance coach do while their kids are out running for an hour? How have I never thought of this? Lol
in cross country, there are days when it is NOTHING! but usually it can be meet prep, course setup, planning. I will often rotate my groups. Example: monday girls stay in for track work, boys out for run. Tuesday the opposite. Or maybe I have a very small number of kids who can handle an extra workout for the week.
My setup is kind of brutal. I coach boys and girls, varsity and modified by myself. So even on days where everybody is out, the distances can range from 2 miles to 10 miles, so I kind of have to hang back and wait on the mod squad, or I can go on a very short run to keep track of them and be back on campus when they are returning.
I have taken to running with the slowest kids, who also run the least amount of time. That way I am back before the others get back, and the least experienced kids get the most supervision. They are probably the ones who also need it the most.
I probably missed this... What does a distance coach do while their kids are out running for an hour? How have I never thought of this? Lol
I typically run, walk or ride in the back behind everyone in case I am needed. Sometimes I stay back and wait for those going shorter to get back. Other times I run or ride in the middle or up front. It varies from day to day.
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