Keep them coming. I command you.
Keep them coming. I command you.
Frodope wrote:
We could make an interesting list based on the 8-10s improvement rule.
Josette Norris might top the female column for 2021. Who needs to make the Olympic Team?
Retroactively we could apply the rule to 2018 Shelboost Houlihan.
Bet Norris will get caught doping. Maybe then her ego and narcissistic Instagram photos and ramblings about how great she is will finally go away
Bergenkampf wrote:
rekrunner wrote:
This is the kind of energy and knowledge we need before expressing opinions based on gut feelings. 8 seconds can happen for many explainable non-doping reasons, and the progression itself is not a strong basis for suspicion. So do we think Katir is like Ramzi, or like Wheating? Why? Based on performance alone, or are there other explicit or implicit factors that make us suspicious?
Maybe closer to home, compare the similar progressions of “wejo” when he “sucked at 10K”, and Cathal Lombard. If in 2022, we have another unknown runner jumping from 30:14 to 28:06, after 5 years of competing at University, do we suspect that this gain can only be “entirely due to EPO”? I’m inclined to think, based on similar studies and performance gains, that whatever can be gained by EPO, can also be gained by hi-lo training, by moving to places like Flagstaff, combined with identifying and correcting problems with the previous training.
We think Katir is like Ramzi because both showed no sign of such outstanding talent and both improved massively in two events at the same time at 23 (Wheating was 22 btw). And yes, because both have a North African background and North Africa is clearly a corrupt region in which doping is seen as absolutely normal (evidenced also by the two regular North African posters here - Passant and Ghost1). Of course for a pseudo 'scientist' like you, the value judgement that this is 'racist' thinking, renders it invalid.
Luckily, the real scientists at WADA and World Athletics disagree, and that is why both Morocco and Algeria are on their small 'watch list'.
To beat a dead horse, Katie's background is southern Europe. He grew up in Spain and looks and acts Spanish.
te5n1k wrote:
regardless of what is actually going on with katir it is undeniably strange how dominant he was right before the olympics and how he completely fell off during the games and after. remember how he was literally the favorite to win the 5k (based on odds and many predictions)? over the world records holder and a handful of other legit contenders. maybe he got sick or had a niggle? there are a few possible explanations and doping could be one of them. furthermore, im sure everyone responds differently to drugs as they do to supershoes so its stupid to try and create a universal conversion.
Yes — it’s strange because no one in the history of running has ever trained and raced and peaked early, and it’s widely accepted that even micro-doping in the off-season has long lasting benefits that makes athletes faster on-season while evading detection, because they can train harder and avoid burning out, and at the same time stopping doping after the off-season makes you slower in the on-season because there is no long lasting benefits from doping, and the off-season benefits from harder training have no value.
The Olympics I watched had a lot of surprises and upsets and disappointments.
Armstronglivs wrote:
It doesn't matter whether the gains are 5-10-15 secs. Doping can turn a pack runner into a champion and nearly unbeatable. If it didn't exist it is likely most times would be little faster than the '60's, before it became a disease in the sport.
I agree, plus we saw packs of elite runners getting really fast all at the same time in the 90's...once the dope is out everyone is trying to out sauce the others
like cycling.
Its a pity he cycled off when he did.I felt he was a sure fire bet for gold.Id have liked to have seen him beat jakob in the 1500,which he would have at peak fitness.
Waterloo1815kgl wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
It doesn't matter whether the gains are 5-10-15 secs. Doping can turn a pack runner into a champion and nearly unbeatable. If it didn't exist it is likely most times would be little faster than the '60's, before it became a disease in the sport.
I agree, plus we saw packs of elite runners getting really fast all at the same time in the 90's...once the dope is out everyone is trying to out sauce the others like cycling.
These ideas about the powerful gains from doping are more mythology than proven observations. Who showed the gains could even be as much as 5 seconds for these elite performances?
You say “everyone is trying to out sauce the others”, but in the ‘90s, we did not see any non-African elite runners getting *really* fast, but only athletes from limited high altitude regions in East African, and a handful of North Africans.
If it was like cycling, we would have seen fast Americans, Germans, Spanish, Kazahks, etc.
Cycling is the opposite of running: fast non-Africans with no fast Africans.
Emily Swatson wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
For you, it would be.
Your comebacks are almost as lame as you.
And so the wit descends to lower and lower levels. Yours.
rekrunner wrote:
Waterloo1815kgl wrote:
I agree, plus we saw packs of elite runners getting really fast all at the same time in the 90's...once the dope is out everyone is trying to out sauce the others like cycling.
These ideas about the powerful gains from doping are more mythology than proven observations. Who showed the gains could even be as much as 5 seconds for these elite performances?
You say “everyone is trying to out sauce the others”, but in the ‘90s, we did not see any non-African elite runners getting *really* fast, but only athletes from limited high altitude regions in East African, and a handful of North Africans.
If it was like cycling, we would have seen fast Americans, Germans, Spanish, Kazahks, etc.
Cycling is the opposite of running: fast non-Africans with no fast Africans.
Correction: you do not see anything.
Armstronglivs wrote:
Emily Swatson wrote:
Your comebacks are almost as lame as you.
And so the wit descends to lower and lower levels. Yours.
LOL
Armstronglivs wrote:
Emily Swatson wrote:
Your comebacks are almost as lame as you.
And so the wit descends to lower and lower levels. Yours.
Good boy, obeying my command.
Armstronglivs wrote:
Correction: you do not see anything.
Did you take hallucinogenic drugs in your youth?
rekrunner wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
Correction: you do not see anything.
Did you take hallucinogenic drugs in your youth?
What is reality to others is hallucination to you. It's a shame you can't blame it on drugs, but only your mental incapacity.
Emily Swatson wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
And so the wit descends to lower and lower levels. Yours.
Good boy, obeying my command.
Says the baboon when it is fed a peanut.
Jack link wrote:
I can assure you that I am most certainly not Coevett. The Brits have nothing to brag about, as I believe that Coe is complicit in the propagation of the mockery being made of athletics. Farah was the prototypical success of shady misdeeds.
You can be anything but certainly a childish coward.
Why you don't assume and reveal your identity, hmm?
Hiding behind a keyboard and a use name.
This is the truth
I had thought that Coevett vowed to go away and not cowardly return under different screenname/s? What happened to that?
Bilbo Baggins the Fourth wrote:
Katir .
You afraid that Katir repeat what did Aouita/Morceli/El G. before
and the doubt is persisting on you.
You try to convince yourself with the EPO argument
but you are in full throttle of doubt.
Stay with the doubt and the angoisse until the next season dreaming that Katir will be caught or your favorite out class him...
Passant wrote:
Jack link wrote:
I can assure you that I am most certainly not Coevett. The Brits have nothing to brag about, as I believe that Coe is complicit in the propagation of the mockery being made of athletics. Farah was the prototypical success of shady misdeeds.
You can be anything but certainly a childish coward.
Why you don't assume and reveal your identity, hmm?
Hiding behind a keyboard and a use name.
Why would I ever do that? You certainly don’t do it, so why should anyone else? I’m certainly not hiding- you’re being silly now. You’re just upset that someone is pointing out that Moroccans have the culture of cheating- just like American sprinters- just like English cyclists. You take it far too personal; and as others have pointed out previously, seem like a very angry and unhinged character. Grow up.
sepreh wrote:
Bergenkampf wrote:
We think Katir is like Ramzi because both showed no sign of such outstanding talent and both improved massively in two events at the same time at 23 (Wheating was 22 btw). And yes, because both have a North African background and North Africa is clearly a corrupt region in which doping is seen as absolutely normal (evidenced also by the two regular North African posters here - Passant and Ghost1). Of course for a pseudo 'scientist' like you, the value judgement that this is 'racist' thinking, renders it invalid.
Luckily, the real scientists at WADA and World Athletics disagree, and that is why both Morocco and Algeria are on their small 'watch list'.
To beat a dead horse, Katie's background is southern Europe. He grew up in Spain and looks and acts Spanish.
No matter how many times you repeat it, it's still false. He was an illegal immigrant, meaning his formative years in Spain would have been spent mostly with other illegal immigrants. He's a devout Muslim, the religion of Morocco not Spain. Most of the running guys he follows on Instagram are Moroccan or Morrocan 'Spaniards'.
In any case, Spain is almost as much of a hotbed of doping as Morocco is, partly due to the influence and proximity of Morocco.