CJ Ujah positive test!

Ghost1 wrote:

The point of the post was to suggest that the legal procedure take its course before condemning the guy because it’s not finished and over yet.

This is a 'damned if you do, damned if you don't issue'. For everyone who complains that this announcement is too quick there is another who will complain about how Shelby Houlihan's positive finding was hushed up for six months.

Personally I feel once a provisional ban has been enforced then it should be public knowledge. If you were to wait until all the appeal processes have been exhausted it could be well over a year until we hear about a ban. Compare the dates of the busts with the dates of the appeal conclusions in this list, the majority are between 18 months and two years.

im not sure about this. if yui are selling snake oil, why not boost it with sometihg really effective that costs nothig and makes your product look like its good.

this is why a serious athlete wil never take an unproven suppplement.

and why, if you are taking sarms etc, you want to be really, govt lab level, confident in your supplier.

just sayin....

Contamination!

Sabotage !

4 medals gone and a life smashed up for not cheating.

udgsr wrote:

Contamination!

Sabotage !

Rubbish!

Sprintgeezer wrote:

udgsr wrote:

Contamination!

Sabotage !

Rubbish!

i think you mean 'garbage' or you will be seriously undermining one of ghost's theories. But not the one where religious people are always good.

When a western say he is "a Christian devout" you should take this with a grain of salt, this has nothing with Muslims societies (I know people in this forum talk about intolerance).

Passant ujah is british of but of african (nigerian) decent and also they are many devout christians in the west like in spain and portugal these countries are massively christian

christiancongoleseperson wrote:

When a western say he is "a Christian devout" you should take this with a grain of salt, this has nothing with Muslims societies (I know people in this forum talk about intolerance).

Passant ujah is british of but of african (nigerian) decent and also they are many devout christians in the west like in spain and portugal these countries are massively christian

Actually the countries in southern Europe have seen dramatic falls in church attendance especially in Catholic churches, and this includes Italy, Spain and Portugal as well as France, at least the part of France where I stay, the south of France near Marseilles.

On another note, when I hear the word “devout Christian” I usually think of Christians belonging to the protestant or evangelical part of that religion and not Catholics, the latter having what might be termed a “healthy relationship” with acceptance of sinning being a facet of man and woman in general.

You have a point to be fair I agree with you which is why christians in the west have embraced despicable practices like sex outside of marriage and same-sex marrigage. I am also seeing a steep downturn in religion in europe which is quite sad. But compared to places like britain spain is still way more religious

Seems like most cheats are religious though.

I'm not saying belief in this nonsense makes you more likely to cheat, but it certainly doesn't seem to be a deterrent.

Maybe these people are more gullible?

Christian does include those who bow yo Rome, get an education.

Non Catholics see sin as needing forgiveness and as a wrong.

trollism wrote:

Ghost1 wrote:

Actually the countries in southern Europe have seen dramatic falls in church attendance especially in Catholic churches, and this includes Italy, Spain and Portugal as well as France, at least the part of France where I stay, the south of France near Marseilles.

On another note, when I hear the word “devout Christian” I usually think of Christians belonging to the protestant or evangelical part of that religion and not Catholics, the latter having what might be termed a “healthy relationship” with acceptance of sinning being a facet of man and woman in general.

Seems like most cheats are religious though.

I'm not saying belief in this nonsense makes you more likely to cheat, but it certainly doesn't seem to be a deterrent.

Maybe these people are more gullible?

The reason why most cheats are religious is because most of the world is religious

udgsr wrote:

Christian does include those who bow yo Rome, get an education.

Non Catholics see sin as needing forgiveness and as a wrong.

Few educated typos and grammar errors in the above.

udgsr wrote:

Christian does include those who bow yo Rome, get an education.

Non Catholics see sin as needing forgiveness and as a wrong.

You have a point, but when I meet a Catholic he/she never mentions outwardly that he is a Christian as opposed to Protestants and Evangelics, Born Agains and Baptists (Southern states of the USA) who always make sure to mention that they are Christian.

In addition, the latter group (evangelical Christians) never fail to remind me to “accept the Lord” in my life lest I “go to hell” and “burn on a slow fire in eternity” but Catholics never say that to me. It seems, the evangelical Christians have a “mission” to “save people” and to rescue them. Interesting but oftentimes somewhat tiring.

A labeling error. Because of this, many people feel that this devout Christian, Ujah, should be exonerated fully and that his teammates should not bear the brunt of this accidental omission of knowledge because it was not posted.

Ultimately, many feel that the “big one above” should be the ultimate judge, because judicial decisions are often based on unproven circumstances and biases. In addition, the way the media is pushing this case might result in an unfair decision because due process and time (to accomplish the latter in a reasonable way) were limiting factors.

Ghost1 wrote:

udgsr wrote:

Christian does include those who bow yo Rome, get an education.

Non Catholics see sin as needing forgiveness and as a wrong.

You have a point, but when I meet a Catholic he/she never mentions outwardly that he is a Christian as opposed to Protestants and Evangelics, Born Agains and Baptists (Southern states of the USA) who always make sure to mention that they are Christian.

In addition, the latter group (evangelical Christians) never fail to remind me to “accept the Lord” in my life lest I “go to hell” and “burn on a slow fire in eternity” but Catholics never say that to me. It seems, the evangelical Christians have a “mission” to “save people” and to rescue them. Interesting but oftentimes somewhat tiring.

How devout a christian is is how closely a christian follows Jesus and walks with God not about how much they talk many talk on the outside but on the inside they are distant from God and still live in Sin

Ghost1 wrote:

A labeling error. Because of this, many people feel that this devout Christian, Ujah, should be exonerated fully and that his teammates should not bear the brunt of this accidental omission of knowledge because it was not posted.

Ultimately, many feel that the “big one above” should be the ultimate judge, because judicial decisions are often based on unproven circumstances and biases. In addition, the way the media is pushing this case might result in an unfair decision because due process and time (to accomplish the latter in a reasonable way) were limiting factors.

The tainted supplement excuse. He will have to prove that this one is true by showing receipts for the supplements in question and having them produce the banned substances in testing and so on. Even so, I don't think he would be fully exonerated as it is reckless to take many supplements given how unregulated the industry is. If he's been taking this one for a while, he could've been benefiting for months (even if it's unwittingly). Ujah is not in the RTP, either thus increasing the odds he'd been benefiting from the PED for more than this one time.

This is a situation that stinks if his story is to be believed, but this is why athletes should NOT take anything that they can't be assured of exactly what it is. If this is some big-brand supplement that is one thing but it's like most of them a snake-oil type deal, it is hard to justify the risk.

What a joke. Same old crap from Chijindu as from others.

“Supplements”, LMAO. Bullcrap. No athlete needs them, they are not nearly as effective as are whole foods.

Total crap. People get them only for their excuse value, and/or because they are dumb enough to believe in snake oil.

Also, strict liability has nothing to do with religious beliefs.

If you followed what is claimed to be ‘the word of god’ (the bible) closely then you would have been jailed long long ago for all manner of crimes.