Wrong about what? Certainly not wrong about anything I've said about Ohtani.
He's very interesting as a two-way player, but he has yet to show he's headed for the Hall of Fame as either a pitcher or a hitter (he's not even close as a pitcher).
He has had 2 very good seasons so far...in a row even, so good for him, but man I can find a TON of guys who had two very good seasons in a row who didn't end up in the Hall of Fame.
Just off the top of my head, George Foster had two GREAT seasons in 1977 and 1978:
1977: 52 HRs, 149 RBI
1978: 40 HRs, 120 RBI
Better batting averages for each year than Ohtani had for his too, and he's not in the Hall of Fame.
You've got caught being wrong and then lying about posts on the Trump thread Flagpole, aka, proven wrong.
But this one is hilarious. Santiago is clearly correct. Flagpole is clearly wrong.
Word of advice Santiago, don't feed him. Flagpole is a full blown narcissistic human being. We live within an hour of each other and I wouldn't visit such a vile human being even if I was paid to do so.
Ohtani will be in the HOF, period.
1) I've never lied about anything in my adult life.
2) Ohtani has a big hill to climb to make it into the Hall of Fame. His career batting average is an unremarkable .267, and he's well below average when looking at the Hall of Fame Monitor both as a hitter and a pitcher.
3) If he were 22 years old and just had the two seasons he just had, I'd agree that he's got a great shot, but he'll be 28 this upcoming season. He needs to improve upon his HOF monitor status from where it is today, and he's not got a ton of years to do that in.
You've got caught being wrong and then lying about posts on the Trump thread Flagpole, aka, proven wrong.
But this one is hilarious. Santiago is clearly correct. Flagpole is clearly wrong.
Word of advice Santiago, don't feed him. Flagpole is a full blown narcissistic human being. We live within an hour of each other and I wouldn't visit such a vile human being even if I was paid to do so.
Ohtani will be in the HOF, period.
1) I've never lied about anything in my adult life.
2) Ohtani has a big hill to climb to make it into the Hall of Fame. His career batting average is an unremarkable .267, and he's well below average when looking at the Hall of Fame Monitor both as a hitter and a pitcher.
3) If he were 22 years old and just had the two seasons he just had, I'd agree that he's got a great shot, but he'll be 28 this upcoming season. He needs to improve upon his HOF monitor status from where it is today, and he's not got a ton of years to do that in.
You seem to be penalizing him because he hasn't played that many seasons. At one time Joe Dimaggio had only hit in 3 consecutive games. He ended up hitting in 56 consecutive games.
Ohtani has only played the equivalent of 3 full seasons. Let's pretend he plays in 21 full seasons. That would project out to 840 home runs. Shabby?
1) I've never lied about anything in my adult life.
2) Ohtani has a big hill to climb to make it into the Hall of Fame. His career batting average is an unremarkable .267, and he's well below average when looking at the Hall of Fame Monitor both as a hitter and a pitcher.
3) If he were 22 years old and just had the two seasons he just had, I'd agree that he's got a great shot, but he'll be 28 this upcoming season. He needs to improve upon his HOF monitor status from where it is today, and he's not got a ton of years to do that in.
You seem to be penalizing him because he hasn't played that many seasons. At one time Joe Dimaggio had only hit in 3 consecutive games. He ended up hitting in 56 consecutive games.
Ohtani has only played the equivalent of 3 full seasons. Let's pretend he plays in 21 full seasons. That would project out to 840 home runs. Shabby?
I'm not penalizing him. I'm saying it's WAY too early to be calling him better than Babe Ruth and for sure going to be in the Hall of Fame. He's going to be 28 for this next season. He isn't just the equivalent of 3 seasons into a 21-year career. He's got 7 more seasons MAX before he starts to have the typical decline due to age...and that's if he doesn't have any injuries. I would also assume at least ONE mediocre season in there before the natural decline begins. He's got a tough hill to climb to get into the Hall of Fame...and it should be tough.
Here's another player who actually started off his career faster than Ohtani has at the plate...Mark Teixeira...he had 9 very good seasons in a row out of the gate (I'll give him his rookie year as being not quite so good...but he was a rookie after all). He ended up with 409 HRs and a high batter average than Ohtani has now...and he's not in the Hall of Fame and likely won't be. Oh, and he started to go downhill as a player at age 32...something that is not uncommon.
My guess is that Ohtani will end up with fewer than 400 HRs (maybe a lot fewer) and fewer than 150 wins as a pitcher...and a batting average in the .250s (he's at .267 now, and usually guys get worse after age 30 with batting average, and he has more of those years left likely in his career than not. The two-way thing is a neat trick, but I don't think it gets him into the Hall of Fame.
Also for Ohtani 1 x rookie of the year, 1 x MVP, 1 x MVP 2nd, 1 x cy young 4th.
He needs to do more and play longer, but quality and uniqueness of his seasons will help for Hof.
Harmon Killebrew hit 573 home runs and had 1584 RBIs. He also won an MVP and then finished in the top 4 FIVE other times. Ohtani has a LONG way to go to do that...and he will NEVER reach those HR or RBI totals.
Dale Murphy won two MVPs, and he's not in.
Roger Maris won two MVPs, and he's not in...he also fell off a cliff performance wise at age 28.
Curt Schilling was a better pitcher than Ohtani, and he's not in.
I agree that uniqueness of Ohtani will help him...he actually has very little shot to get in IF he were just a pitcher or just a hitter...and probably NO shot if he were just a pitcher. Still, he has to put up some decent career numbers for the uniqueness to push him over the hump. I think it's a tall order.
You've got caught being wrong and then lying about posts on the Trump thread Flagpole, aka, proven wrong.
But this one is hilarious. Santiago is clearly correct. Flagpole is clearly wrong.
Word of advice Santiago, don't feed him. Flagpole is a full blown narcissistic human being. We live within an hour of each other and I wouldn't visit such a vile human being even if I was paid to do so.
Ohtani will be in the HOF, period.
1) I've never lied about anything in my adult life.
2) Ohtani has a big hill to climb to make it into the Hall of Fame. His career batting average is an unremarkable .267, and he's well below average when looking at the Hall of Fame Monitor both as a hitter and a pitcher.
3) If he were 22 years old and just had the two seasons he just had, I'd agree that he's got a great shot, but he'll be 28 this upcoming season. He needs to improve upon his HOF monitor status from where it is today, and he's not got a ton of years to do that in.
1) I've never lied about anything in my adult life.
2) Ohtani has a big hill to climb to make it into the Hall of Fame. His career batting average is an unremarkable .267, and he's well below average when looking at the Hall of Fame Monitor both as a hitter and a pitcher.
3) If he were 22 years old and just had the two seasons he just had, I'd agree that he's got a great shot, but he'll be 28 this upcoming season. He needs to improve upon his HOF monitor status from where it is today, and he's not got a ton of years to do that in.
#1 LOL and can't stop LOL!
Odd how the truth makes you laugh. Lying is for children and people guilty of things. I am neither.
Ohtani is unique. Doesn't make him the best player in history. He's not the best player on his own team...though to be fair, he's had a pretty good start offensively this season.
Ohtani might make the Hall of Fame. He's got a LONG way to go though, especially considering he's about to turn 29. He currently has 145 career home runs and a .269 batting average. Pitching? He has a career record of 33-16. A guy his size would likely start to fall off a cliff at age 35, so he's got 6 more good seasons in him. He might not get to 400 career HRs. Not a great stat in today's world, ESPECIALLY if he doesn't improve upon that dismal career batting average of his. Pitching it's even tougher for him. He's only had ONE good pitching season so far, though he has had a good start pitching this year.
He definitely gets some bonus points for being a starting pitcher and a starting offensive player, so if he can approach even very good stats in either of those things, he MIGHT get into the Hall of Fame. Personally, I'm not sure VERY GOOD stats in both should be enough. He's not as good a hitter as Carlos Delgado, and he won't have the career stats there that Delgado has, and Delgado isn't in the Hall of Fame. He couldn't make it stand alone as a pitcher either. He has 33 wins!
Ruth would strike out easily vs. Ohtani. He never had to deal with the relentless movement and speed in today's MLB. Ohtani probably would crush Ruth's 90 MPH fast balls.
Same average as Aaron Judge, more home runs, more rbi's...oh, and wait for it...he's a starting pitcher!
You can't see the forest for the trees.
He is a stud starting pitcher on a bad team and, oh yeah, leads the AL in home runs.
Last year Flagpole was celebrating the Padres trade for Juan Soto and calling Soto one of the best players in the league. Soto had a terrible 2022 and has 10 HRs this season. Ohtani has 20 HRs.
We romanticize Ruth because he was the first big star and he was head and shoulders above his peers but the level of play would be a joke compared to today.
Hey new guy. You’re absolutely wrong. Baseball skill level hasn’t changed much for over a century. Read some history of the game noob
Ruth would strike out easily vs. Ohtani. He never had to deal with the relentless movement and speed in today's MLB. Ohtani probably would crush Ruth's 90 MPH fast balls.
Untrue. Ever heard of Walter Johnson? pitchers threw just as fast when Ruth played.
1) I've never lied about anything in my adult life.
2) Ohtani has a big hill to climb to make it into the Hall of Fame. His career batting average is an unremarkable .267, and he's well below average when looking at the Hall of Fame Monitor both as a hitter and a pitcher.
3) If he were 22 years old and just had the two seasons he just had, I'd agree that he's got a great shot, but he'll be 28 this upcoming season. He needs to improve upon his HOF monitor status from where it is today, and he's not got a ton of years to do that in.
You seem to be penalizing him because he hasn't played that many seasons. At one time Joe Dimaggio had only hit in 3 consecutive games. He ended up hitting in 56 consecutive games.
Ohtani has only played the equivalent of 3 full seasons. Let's pretend he plays in 21 full seasons. That would project out to 840 home runs. Shabby?
How about waiting until he does it. 2 seasons isn’t a hall of fame career. It’s not penalizing him. It’s just facts.
Ruth would strike out easily vs. Ohtani. He never had to deal with the relentless movement and speed in today's MLB. Ohtani probably would crush Ruth's 90 MPH fast balls.
Untrue. Ever heard of Walter Johnson? pitchers threw just as fast when Ruth played.
Ever hear of Bob Feller? Feller is credited with throwing the second fastest pitch ever officially recorded, at 107.6 mph (173.2 km/h), in a game in 1946 at Griffith Stadium.
He is a stud starting pitcher on a bad team and, oh yeah, leads the AL in home runs.
Last year Flagpole was celebrating the Padres trade for Juan Soto and calling Soto one of the best players in the league. Soto had a terrible 2022 and has 10 HRs this season. Ohtani has 20 HRs.
INCORRECT! I think exactly the opposite of that and have never believed that Soto was worth the money or the hype he has received. Never celebrated anything with regard to Soto. You're either just wrong or a liar.