Drug testing is a farce......MOST of the 100 meter and 400 meter runners are on steroids.(male)
Drug testing is a farce......MOST of the 100 meter and 400 meter runners are on steroids.(male)
runnerboy70 wrote:
Drug testing is a farce......MOST of the 100 meter and 400 meter runners are on steroids.(male)
yep this is true
Why are we evaluating Shelby’s bust? She’s a runner so not much too offer in that realm, plus I thought we weren’t supposed to discuss women’s bodies on Letsrun?
NCAADIcoach wrote:
In regard to the meat-head strength coach who did the video.
The meathead said EVERY distance coach would know what nandrolone is. Just for fun I asked some of the best distance coaches in the country (collegiate) if they knew what it was. Not one knew. So I do not buy the argument that Jerry would have necessarily known what it was.
College coaches don't have athletes in the testing pool. He stated that coaches and athletes in the testing pool are required to undergo regular training on the regulations and explanations of tests.
runnerboy70 wrote:
Drug testing is a farce......MOST of the 100 meter and 400 meter runners are on steroids.(male)
You are implying sprinters are more apt to be PED cheats than middle & long distance runners. Why would you believe sub-3:30 1500m runners are less likely to be PED cheats than sub-44.50 400m men (and what ever are the female 400m & 1500m equivalent performances)?
The video gets it wrong right away.
He asserts any Nandrolone present in pig offal would be from steroid additives fed to the pigs.
However, higher levels of steroids are naturally produced by uncastrated pigs ("boars").
Why lie about having heard of nandro?
It doesn't materially support her claim, and if it's as widely known in distance running circles as every forum expert seems to believe, he'd know he wouldn't be believed.
People say crazy sh^t when anxious or under pressure etc., and maybe that was an example, but given his general demeanor during the statement, I'd be surprised.
Finally, the vlogger's claim that elite coaches should be familiar with every banned substance seems like a stretch. If the list is anywhere near as long as I suspect, and constantly evolving, I'd expect coaches to familiarize themselves with the subset of substance relevant to their specific discipline. A distance coach claiming to have never heard of EPO is one thing, but an anabolic steroid that distance runners haven't previously popped for? That doesn't seem unreasonable.
I don't know whether Shelby intentionally ingested PEDs, but I'm not sure why so many are assuming Jerry lied about having never heard of nandro.
mitikitjd wrote:
NCAADIcoach wrote:
In regard to the meat-head strength coach who did the video.
He clearly doesn't understand the difference between being a strength coach and being a distance coach or athlete. All the distance runners who I work with and around keep very detailed logs of exactly what they ate and where they ate it at. It's just common for them to do that. Because the meathead strength dude just puts down what he had in general in no way is the same as a distance athlete.
The meathead said EVERY distance coach would know what nandrolone is. Just for fun I asked some of the best distance coaches in the country (collegiate) if they knew what it was. Not one knew. So I do not buy the argument that Jerry would have necessarily known what it was.
I do not know whether Shelby is innocent or guilty. Probably never will. But people like the meathead strength dude should just stay in his garage and do his thing.
You're saying someone who actually knows about nandrolone doesn't know what they are talking about when talking about nandrolone?
Considering he appears unaware that uncastrated pigs (boars) produce nandro endogenously, your "knows about nandro" threshold seems a bit low.
I'm sure he's a fine strength coach, and probably knows as much about nandro as he needs to in that capacity, but his claim that any elite track & field coach MUST be familiar with nandro isn't persuasive.
wejo wrote:
AlohaState wrote:
The argument that she was blindsided by a test in December is interesting. It indicates AIU was tipped off by a whistleblower.
But it’s not accurate. I just looked at USADA data. Shelby was tested 4 times 3rd quarter and 4 in 4th quarter.
This tells me that they had suspicions about the samples she was providing. She probably thought "I've been tested 3 times, now it's time to hit up."
Ernest wrote:
The video gets it wrong right away.
He asserts any Nandrolone present in pig offal would be from steroid additives fed to the pigs.
However, higher levels of steroids are naturally produced by uncastrated pigs ("boars").
Which he does address after he discusses the additive theory. Watch the whole thing.
whaletail wrote:
Considering he appears unaware that uncastrated pigs (boars) produce nandro endogenously, your "knows about nandro" threshold seems a bit low.... but his claim that any elite track & field coach MUST be familiar with nandro isn't persuasive.
a. he did discuss the uncastrated boar thing
b. who knew about the uncastrated boar thing? I didn't and I've been in the lifting world for 30 years and have heard about every kind of PED and testing
c. it's possible but it does seem unlikely that anyone who has been in the training world for a long time has never heard of nandro or tren. I would concede that MUST might be too strong.
AlohaState wrote:
AlohaState wrote:
What stands out to me is this was not a USADA test but was conducted by UIA, an international body. Either USADA detected a pattern and alerted them, or someone reported Shelby to UIA.
Sorry I meant AIU.
Furthermore, AIU makes a big deal about transparency through the whole process. The fact there has been so much secrecy leads me to believe there is a whistleblower who needs to be protected.
i said this from the beginning and the only one who would know she was glowing at a exact particular time is someone in the know.
it took trevor graham to throw his own crew and many under the buss when he sent the syringe with THG to the testers, and then boom all sorts of people went home devastated. so who would know the intricacies of doping and when to whistleblow? well some could say centro, but he just knows he is doping, but he doesnt know all the ins and outs...that would be only one person, and that person has a HUGE axe to grind against jerry. thats right al sal was the one who orchestrated this.
His opinions are like orifices of the body...everyone's got one.
bannned i got wrote:
AlohaState wrote:
Sorry I meant AIU.
Furthermore, AIU makes a big deal about transparency through the whole process. The fact there has been so much secrecy leads me to believe there is a whistleblower who needs to be protected.
i said this from the beginning and the only one who would know she was glowing at a exact particular time is someone in the know.
it took trevor graham to throw his own crew and many under the buss when he sent the syringe with THG to the testers, and then boom all sorts of people went home devastated. so who would know the intricacies of doping and when to whistleblow? well some could say centro, but he just knows he is doping, but he doesnt know all the ins and outs...that would be only one person, and that person has a HUGE axe to grind against jerry. thats right al sal was the one who orchestrated this.
if people cant see that it was al sal who tipped off the testers you are all dumb as sh*t
or how could you all and the brojos FORGET this.....
https://deadspin.com/when-a-famed-nike-coach-tried-to-steal-a-race-a-track-1538116204
I specialize in dumb comments. wrote:
wejo wrote:
But it’s not accurate. I just looked at USADA data. Shelby was tested 4 times 3rd quarter and 4 in 4th quarter.
Interestingly, she was tested far more than the average USADA athlete. Does this show a history of negative testing or that they were indeed trying to catch her. Perhaps her levels of deca were suspect for a while and just below the threshold.
Obviously the better you are, the more you will be tested, but there is no formula. Suspicious performances and test results will get you tested more as well. The system is unfair in many ways, because there are countries where athletes receive few OOC tests and high profile athletes from those countries are never caught by their federations.
ronaldjunky wrote:
No one is touching on the most obvious explanation. It's possible she didn't willingly dope. She simply chose the wrong excuse.
It was likely a tainted supplement. But claiming that would have been a guaranteed ban (but maybe 2 years?). This was the moon shot that had the potential to get her off.
But I really dislike what Jerry did. Knowing the athletic landscape, why put your integrity on the line, and what's more, personally attack the institutions? He's going to be in hot water if more information comes out.
That is very much possible! Shelby may have no idea how the PEDs got in her system; being familiar with the Agee Wilson food truck excuse may have caused a quick reflective response. However:
1. Ajee's performances where not suspicious
2. Ajee's PED levels where much lower
3. The food truck was on her walking route to her car and she had receipts
4. She tested positive at a high profile competition