Serious thread about election fraud

voter suppression and fraud wrote:

george c wrote:

"Recent administrations with the MOST criminal indictments:

Trump (Republican) — 215

Nixon (Republican) — 76

Reagan (Republican) — 26

"Recent administrations with the LEAST criminal indictments:

Obama (Democrat) — 0

Carter (Democrat) — 1

Clinton (Democrat) — 2

"Notice a pattern?"

Holly sh1t! Democrats are great people..Thanks for the facts! Everyone should see these #s. Folks, even people like George c get to vote.

I know facts can sting, but why the extreme anger? As I posted in another thread, most people start from their 'R' or 'D' position and work backward to rationalize, defend, and spin everything their party does. It is okay to still be an 'R' for whatever reason you choose, yet realize Trump is like soured milk in the fridge and you keep checking to see if it has become any fresher.

Sigh. Except George, these are not facts. 317-3 criminal indictments. Well, unless Liberal people are just really that moral and incapable of wrong doing. Like my neighbor thinks his 21 yo daughter is a virgin and never tried alcohol, tobacco, or drugs.

voter suppression and fraud wrote:

Sigh. Except George, these are not facts. 317-3 criminal indictments. Well, unless Liberal people are just really that moral and incapable of wrong doing. Like my neighbor thinks his 21 yo daughter is a virgin and never tried alcohol, tobacco, or drugs.

Soooo, they are alternative facts? Fake news? Or just someone starting from "R" and pushing their head further and further into the sand.

Did you honestly type that 317-3 criminal indictments are not facts?

I honestly don't follow what you are saying, in any of your posts. You come across unhinged and struggling to produce a clear thought, but I think you are just overly angry or frustrated.

Good luck with all that.

I've never voted for a D or an R in my life- fraud defines both parties.

Anyone who thinks that election tampering isn't an American tradition lives in some fantasy land of white picket fences and fairy tales- you are hopeless if you hold on to such dangerous naivete'.

The Democrats massively stole the Presidential portion of this rendition of the quadrennial spectacle.

Start in Michigan in Antrim and Oakland counties and you begin to get the picture. The way they rigged it in those two counties (OK call them "irregularities" if you want) also occurred in 46 other counties in Michigan.

It appears that at the least there was and is plenty of election chicanery going on in Philly which is you would have to say pretty normal, look up Michael "Ozzie" Meyers e.g., and it is definitely favoring the Dems.

How did Biden get 4 million more votes than Obama- setting an all-time record? That seems odd even considering increase in overall population.

How was there a statistically aberrant record turnout in Wisconsin for a candidate that even for those who voted for him he only had tepid support?

How was it that the Repubs largely won the overall 2020 elections when taken in total and yet their figurehead lost?

Certainly many other aberrations to be considered.

As it is with the fraud of Covid the "official" story doesn't add up and all the "mistakes" seem to be in only one direction.

george c wrote:

voter suppression and fraud wrote:

Sigh. Except George, these are not facts. 317-3 criminal indictments. Well, unless Liberal people are just really that moral and incapable of wrong doing. Like my neighbor thinks his 21 yo daughter is a virgin and never tried alcohol, tobacco, or drugs.

Soooo, they are alternative facts? Fake news? Or just someone starting from "R" and pushing their head further and further into the sand.

Did you honestly type that 317-3 criminal indictments are not facts?

I honestly don't follow what you are saying, in any of your posts. You come across unhinged and struggling to produce a clear thought, but I think you are just overly angry or frustrated.

Good luck with all that.

George, I do think that you mean well. 317-3. Some of the above mentioned have switched parties during their political careers. Ahhh. I don't know man. Good luck sir!

I worked at the elections office for a big county during the primaries. At least in my county, there is very little possibility that fraud could happen at the office. Nobody is left alone with ballots at any stage in the process. Ballot boxes are sealed. Cameras are everywhere. A lot of the ballot handling employees were older, retired people. Some veterans. It's an apolitical environment by policy. I assume that most were Democrats, but nobody asked anybody about their preference.

Trump and the Republicans are a joke.

Allen53 wrote:

How did Biden get 4 million more votes than Obama- setting an all-time record? That seems odd even considering increase in overall population.

That was eight years ago. Turnout back then was 54 percent. Turnout now looks like it will be 62 percent. That is still really low compared to a lot of countries. Turnout for the last election in Canada was 66 percent. Turnout for the second round of the last French election was 74 percent.

If the US stops being lazy and turns out like other countries, you will see records. Under 60 percent is pathetic. Every election after 1968 had turnout below 60 percent.

runnerguy2016 wrote:

I personally don't care if Donald Trump loses this election - I actually think it is better for the GOP in 2024 if he does. However I do want to talk about election fraud. It seems to be happening all over the place right now and if there aren't any consequences for it I am worried it will cause even more fraud by both sides next election.

Does anyone have an explanation for things like this:

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/watch-ballot-count-watcher-describes-least-130000-ballots-biden-arriving-three-vehicles-detroit-dead-night/?fbclid=IwAR0jLmYhhtK0SpQHs4QDXdHdMLUx9p1LJSn7Yk-c8zsA1IS0yNY1a4aV9Oc

I'm sure the first thing that will happen here is people will attack the source. Instead of doing that can someone address the claims that this person is making?

First, not even the GOP is claiming it is 'happening all over the place'.

Second, the claims of fraud are without evidence or have been debunked (like the claim that there were no GOP observers at the Philly count (there were), and that the late arriving votes had been mingled and counted with the votes arriving by election day (they weren't).

Third, doesn't it seem strange that the Democrats allegedly committed fraud in the Presidential race without taking some minor steps to win the Senate (like beating Susan Collins or Graham).

Fourth none of these claims of late arriving votes all being for Biden ever prove to be true. There are sites where you can track the updates of the late counted votes, and totals for both candidates increase. In Arizona, they have been increasing more for Trump. Does that mean the GOP is cheating? And it is no surprise that mail in votes from urban areas are trending for Biden. The in-person votes in those areas did as well.

They must, since you're one of them, and that's a group that I don't want to be any part of.

The people condoning the election fraud are the very same ones who keep violating the LRC forum guidelines and terms of service, which is not surprising.

Therefore, French citizens voted for Biden?

Cheaters and cheater supporters will never admit their wrong doings.

runnerguy2016 wrote:

This is also a problem. How does a system mess up its one job like this?

https://twitter.com/Timcast/status/1324868401563660290

That's a widespread failure caused by widespread fraud.

That's a horrible sports analogy. Much better analogy would be an 800 meter race between two runners. Runner Number 1 has a coach who tells him to hold back on the first lap, perhaps even negative splitting. Runner Number 2 has a coach who tells him to blast the first lap at near 400 meter race pace, then hold on.

At around 500 meters, Runner Number 2 has a 50 meter lead, and his coach is celebrating victory already. But that lead fades to 25 meters as the runners traverse the backstretch, and the Coach Number 2 is becoming irate. As Runner Number 1 blows by into the lead at the 680 meters and starts to pull away, Coach Number 2 erupts furiously, and tries to hop the fence to stop Runner Number 1 from finishing.

The finish to this race will play out over the next days/weeks/months, and we'll see if the rightful winner is impeded from the finish line.

elections worker wrote:

I worked at the elections office for a big county during the primaries. At least in my county, there is very little possibility that fraud could happen at the office. Nobody is left alone with ballots at any stage in the process. Ballot boxes are sealed. Cameras are everywhere. A lot of the ballot handling employees were older, retired people. Some veterans. It's an apolitical environment by policy. I assume that most were Democrats, but nobody asked anybody about their preference.

Trump and the Republicans are a joke.

Everything in your post about the elections office is true, I'm sure. And Trump is a clown, no question. But if Trump had legitimately won a close election (and he probably would have without COVID), the lefties that control the vast majority of the media/entertainment propaganda machine would be spinning all sorts of grassy-knoll conspiracy theories about how the election was stolen.

Perhaps Sleepy Joe wouldn't be making nutty comments, but he's got his confederates in the media to do that for him. A CNN anchor would solemnly report on allegations of voter suppression. An "expert" at MSNBC would discuss allegations of Russian interference from an unnamed intelligence source. The late-night comics would be spewing all sorts of BS.

There also would likely have been riots across the country. But the stalwarts who control the media would've done their best to let us understand the frustration of the mob.

elections worker wrote:

Allen53 wrote:

How did Biden get 4 million more votes than Obama- setting an all-time record? That seems odd even considering increase in overall population.

That was eight years ago. Turnout back then was 54 percent.

2008 was 12 years ago. As you can see turnout that year was around 62%.

Sorry but no way Biden legitimately outpaced Obama's 2008 total by 4 million votes. There was large scale fraud.

The Bipartisan Policy Center has stated that turnout for 2012 was 57.5 percent of the eligible voters (VEP), which they claim was a decline from 2008. They estimate that as a percent of eligible voters, turnout was: 2000, 54.2%; in 2004 60.4%; 2008 62.3%; and 2012 57.5%.[24] The BPC 2012 vote count is low because their document was written just after the 2012 election, before final counts were in. Their VEP does not include adjustments for felons (see p.13). The United States Elections Project, by Michael McDonald calculates VEP including citizenship and adjustments for felons. The site's data on turnout as percentage of eligible voters (VEP), is slightly higher and similar to BPC: 2000 55.3%, 2004 60.7%, 2008 62.2%, 2012 58.6%. McDonald's voter turnout data for 2016 is 60.1% and 50% for 2018.

Ridgemonter wrote:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/rumor-alert-biden-michigan-votes/

Absolutely not true. Biden got 123% of that vote.

The population grew over 20 million in those 12 years. Every election there are record final numbers because of course the population continues to grow. Simple math is hard for the intellectually challenged.

runthecountry wrote:

Much better analogy would be an 800 meter race between two runners. Runner Number 1 has a coach who tells him to hold back on the first lap, perhaps even negative splitting. Runner Number 2 has a coach who tells him to blast the first lap at near 400 meter race pace, then hold on.

At around 500 meters, Runner Number 2 has a 50 meter lead, and his coach is celebrating victory already.

Runner T increases his 50 meter lead winning by 80 meters (10 percent) at the finish.

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Runner T heads home and waits for the results to be posted the next day.

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Runner B's helpers change the outcome of the race in the middle of the night and the next day announce that he won even though he actually lost.

i saw a funny bumper sticker:

Trump 2020: Twenty years in federal penitentiary, twenty years in state.