Jakob Ingebrigtsen is NOT even the Best 19 Year Old Runner Named Jakob/Jacob

Oh, these comparisons went completely wrong. I must set it up differently.

I hope this comparison comes out better:

On the track:

Jakob: 1 Olympic gold; Jacob: 1 Olympic bronze

Jak: 1 WC gold and 2 silver (including 1 indoor); Jac: 1 WC bronze

Jak: 4 outdoor and 3 indoor EC gold +1 indoor silver; Jac: 2 Common Wealth gold

Jak: 9x diamond league winner; Jac: 1x diamond league winner

Jak: 1 WR indoor 1500m

Jak: 4 European records (1500m outdoors and indoors, 2000m and 5000m)

Jak: 1 U20 Worlds silver and 1 bronze; Jac: 1 U20 Worlds silver
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Roads and X country:

Jak: 4 U20 X country golds; Jac: U20 X country WC gold

Jak: 1 Senior X country gold EC; Jac: 1 Senior X country silver WC

Jac: 1 WC HM gold

Jac: 1 WR and 1 African record in HM

Well there is no doubt that the past two years have sort of swung the pendulum a bit back toward Jakob BUT I still see Jacob as the greater talent who will have the greater running career when all is said and done. No doubt Jakob has had his share of glory but how long will this last? It certainly appears as if Jakob has brushed up against his ceiling. I do expect a resurgence for Jacob as he can possibly break the 10000m world record and win several gold medals at global championships, as well as his apparent amazing ability at longer distances. We shall see.

I like both but so far I think Kiplimo has dissapointed a bit in the 10000m both at the Olympics in Tokyo and at the Worlds in Eugene.

It is like that he isn´t really going for the win wasting his energy with unnecessary frontrunning.

He should learn from how the way Hassan and Kejelcha were running: Just hanging on at the rail with the front group saving the energy for the last (I think after Salazar´s advise?).That was the way Kiplimo ran at the 3000m in DL Rome in 2020 where he oversprinted Jakob and in the Common Wealth 5000m where he (narrowly) oversprinted Nicholas Kimeli and Jacob Krop.

Disappointed

Saving energy for the last LAP

I don´t know why you think Jakob "has brushed up against his ceiling" if Kiplimo hadn´t.

Or I suppose i know: You are like many others here singing the false melody that Jakob is about to peak because he has trained for a long time. I have in another thread argued that this is a doubtful theory with no real evidence.

On the contrary - as stated before - I predict Jakob will peak on the track in his mid or perhaps even late twenties as most other toprunners.

He is about to be in his physical prime (regarding top speed and power) which prime normally can be held for some years (El.Guerrouj, Mo Farah, Lewandowski, Jake Wightman). In the same time he can improve his aerobic ability year after year at least until his thirties (as Gebrselassie, Mo Farah, Bekele, Kipchoge, Lewandowski and others have done). So as long as the the physical power isn´t declining too much it can be more than offset by the improvement in aerobic capacity so the peak in performance will come later than the peak in pure physical power.

This goes for everyone who train right aerobically and not only for Jakob.

I have predicted that Jakob next year will go sub 3:27 and perhaps even sub 3:26 in the 1500m, sub 7:25 in the 3000m and sub 12:45 in the 5000m if he joins fast races under good conditions, including pacemaking following the schedule. And barring illness and injury.

The good thing is that we will know less than a year from who is right contrary to the endless discussions here about who was best of former athletes (Coe/ Kipketer/ Rudisha) (Coe vs. Aouita) (Bekele vs Kipchoge).

coe easily

Lol. This thread hasn't aged well

Our sport is amazing. Jakob had never won a WC medal prior to this year. He wins a silver and gold and we've determined he's "brushed up against his ceiling."

Well Kiplimo didn't PR at 3k, 5k 10k or the half this year. Has he too brushed up agains his ceiling at 21?

I feel it’s time for an 2023 update:

1. Kiplimo has got the half marathon record. And he won Worlds xc champs in an impressive way.

2. Ingebrigtsen has just broken the two miles best with a large margin. And he dominates the 1500m.

I like to call it an even between the two Ja/c/k/obs temporary based on the events above…

3. The 10000m: Jacob has done 26.33; Jakob has never tried the distance. -Who’s the best -we just don’t know for sure…

4. The 5000m: Jacob got 12.41, Jakob 12.48. Well, Ingebrigtsen is the reigning World champion here, and hasn’t been beaten in the distance since 2019, and is clearly a 12.40 +/- man, whereas Kiplimo has some no wins last years… I give advantage Jakob here…

Conclusion: Jakob Ingebrigtsen is the current best of the two. But they are so close that the win in the WCH 5000m will change / reinforce the rankings… (We must also of course take into account their placings in the 1500 / 10000m in these championships)…

What do you think? Am I biased…?

I could agree they're abt equal. Maybe the slight edge to Jakob, but it's very close. Whoever places higher at WCs this year will be ahead I think.

Well IAAF´s OVERALL world ranking disagrees a lot!

Jakob is currently number 4 (after Duplantis, Crouser and Lyles). His best was number 3.

Kiplimo´s OVERALL ranking is 337. His best was 24,

See my post in the new thread about the 2 Jak/cobs.

Jakob I is clearly in the lead, but ranking athletes among various disciplines is complete nonsense. It's like Justin Tucker being ranked ahead of Patrick Mahomes.

And of course the jury is still out, and will remain out for quite some time it appears. Just when the Jakob fanboys believe he has won in a decisive TKO, Jacob rises from the mat and delivers a punch which leaves Jakob staggered and awestruck. It ain’t over till the average American lady sings.

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who cares about a non-Olympic event (where there's little testing as well)? Dude has literally no hardware to write home about, compared to a 2-time Olympic and WC Champion.

Well it is an event in which Jacob has run 6:30 faster than Jakob, meaning Jakob would still have well over one mile to go when Jacob finished. Utter humiliation. But even if one day Jakob could miraculously run 59 or so, he would still be destroyed by Jacob.

Obviously Jacob would win the half. But that's like saying Jakob would destroy Jacob in 1500m.

You have to look at all achievements as a whole. Jacob didn't really shine in 5k or 10k and we don't yet know how he is going to fare on the marathon.

If he dominates the marathon for 4 years, then they probably would be comparable but it is also possible that Jakob will earn new accolades in the next 4 years.

Jakob is stille completely superior to Jacob on the track. Whereas Jacob is superior on the road where Jakob is more or less absent.

Jakob is, however, according to IAAF´s ranking still far superior OVERALL where he is no. 2 for the men after Duplantis. He is ranked no. 1 in the 1500m and no. 2 in the 5000m (even though he hasn´t run a fast one since 2021).

Jacob is ranked no. 37 OVERALL, no. 2 in road running, no. 2 in X country and no. 8 in 10000m.

So it is hard for JONNNNY to argument for his favorite Jacob.

Finally: Jakob would obviously destroy Jacob in a 3000m run in the high season (I think the Rome 3000m in 2020 was the starter for this thread).