He's worked himself into a corner now claiming 16:34 in just 6 months. His options now are to keep "improving" to a point he has a legit chance of winning local races (but never does them because reasons), stagnate (after 6 months of insane gains? lol), or he's going to get "injured".
timewilltell wrote:
He's worked himself into a corner now claiming 16:34 in just 6 months. His options now are to keep "improving" to a point he has a legit chance of winning local races (but never does them because reasons), stagnate (after 6 months of insane gains? lol), or he's going to get "injured".
Because he tacked on that 6:21 mile after his 5k PR, he's probably gonna start getting questions about improving his 5k. He should be able to do it today - just run it maximally instead of sub-max.
Finance Bro wrote:
The thing getting lost in all this is not that he ran these times on the treadmill. I think m while treadmills are going to be a little forgiving given the lack of air resistance, they are still somewhere near the realm of what is possible outdoors.
However, this guy is uploading data from his gps watch for running that he did on a treadmill using the indoor running function on his watch. That feature is hilariously inaccurate to the point that the data is worthless. This guy probably has no idea how inaccurate it is, and probably legitimately thinks he ran a 16:30 5k in the middle of a 6 mile run but as soon as he tries to replicate it outdoors he’ll be lucky to break 19 minutes.
+1
Another great point. This dude attacks and insults anyone who questions him, and claims he doesn't want to use Strava because he doesn't want people to know where he lives. Paranoid much dude?!
How bizarre. He could shut everyone up by running a certified course or doing a real race when things open back up soon. I doubt he will though. Then the whole house of cards will collapse.
consider the following wrote:
Sledge_Hammer wrote:
Why is it so hard to believe. I'm pretty much talentless, but I still went from 28-ish 5k to 19 ish (in the heat) after 6 months of training, and 18 months later sub-35 in the 10k.
TLDR: Read it anyway. Although my post is in reply to Sledge_Hammer, this is a general challenge to all who want to explain that the dude's progress is reasonable. My point is, anyone can explain one thing, but no one can explain everything. There are too many individual, unrelated anomalies to explain away. So don't bother explaining just one thing...anyone can do that. Explain this all! I will no longer accept excuses for nsuns that do not consider all the information below.
Your progression is very, very good. Something that others might dream of.
I decided to compare your trajectories, just to show you how absurd the redditor's claims are. I plugged your race times into Jack Daniels' VDOT tables, to compare the efforts at different distances. This is my magnum opus.
Your progress: Very admirable, and achievable
* Your original 5k 28 flat: 33 VDOT
* Then you train for 6 months, avg ___ mpw (I didn't wanna guess)
* Your improved 5k, 19 flat: 53 VDOT
THIS is the timeframe the redditor is working in. You trained for 18 more months and achieved a 10k performance that is STILL not as impressive as this guy's claimed 5k (that effort's VDOT is 62, this race is 61).
Redditor's progress: Just unrealistic no matter how you look at the data he has shared
* Started running late March 2019, can barely run a mile. 11 minutes. Corresponds to a Daniels 33-34 VDOT at easy pace.
* April-October: claims to run 5mpw until deciding to train seriously.
* These numbers are from a screenshot of the redditor's runkeeper log:
- Avg pace of runs has increased to ~8:00/mile, in line with the redditor's other claims.
- November 2019: ~7 mpw
- December 2019-January 2020: 15-20 mpw
- February-April 2020: 30-40 mpw
...
Everything up until this point, I don't think he's fabricated a thing. Why wouldn't he get a little better at running with consistency, at least to the point he isn't shuffling on his easy runs? I buy it, at least on principle.
And then this is where I think the redditor starts faking data. After this point, the PRs start rolling in and claims start to be made. But now, instead of RunKeeper, all his runs are logged in Garmin Connect. That's the source of his mile splits, his PRs, everything that he shows as his "after" picture. Check it out.
...
* April 19: 5k PR, a 62 VDOT performance
Not to mention he must have run it sub-maximally because he continued to run another 6:21 mile, completing a 39:37 10k with his 5k PR within it.
* 1 week later: 10k PR of 38:07, a 55 VDOT performance.
That's within a run where he sets his half-marathon PR of 1:26:24, a 53/54 VDOT performance. Pretty cool to be so versatile, and so soon. He loves setting PRs on submaximal efforts. Who knows what he is REALLY capable of...
* A couple weeks later, sets a mile PR of 4:55, a 60/61 performance.
For someone with such a background in lifting, and such a limited background in aerobic training, I sure would have expected the mile to be a better event for the strong guy! But his 5k was better, and just to flex, he ran negative splits and paced it very evenly, according to his Garmin Connect screenshot. It's amazing that he not only has a natural aerobic base with no training, but also a natural ability to pace a 5k run perfectly!
You went from a VDOT of 33 VDOT performance to a 53 VDOT performance, over 6 months with consistent training.
This redditor claims to have reached a 62 VDOT performance, without clearing ~15 mpw until 2 months before his PR. That, along with everything else I've written, is impossible to ignore.
That's all I have for now!
This is perfectly done and an excellent summary.
Also, I mentioned this before, but it's impossible that he ran the 38:XX 10k and the 1:26:XX half in the same run, unless he starts with a 38 minute 10k then all of a sudden falls of a cliff and runs 48 minutes for the next 10k and change (barely sub 8:00 min/mile pace). That doesn't really sound right does it?
Nsuns is a fraud
Rhodium Nights wrote:
unless he starts with a 38 minute 10k then all of a sudden falls of a cliff and runs 48 minutes for the next 10k and change (barely sub 8:00 min/mile pace). That doesn't really sound right does it?
I chose not to include that detail because it is physiologically reasonable. For example, if he hadn't ever run 13.1 with intensity before, it might be reasonable that he could go balls-to-the-wall with a 10k and then stumble home. There is nothing physiologically unusual about that, and it would technically be his half-marathon PR. But yeah, speaking reasonably, I don't know why he would do that.
How much did you weigh before and after?
Nsuns has claimed he was an average athlete. Yet, considering the relatively quick mile he ran following his 5k PB he’s probably got 30 seconds on you while weighing 195lbs, all the major strides accomplished alongside deadlifting 4x per week on a full Smolov routine.
It’s complete comedy.
I'm looking forward to his treadmill marathon attempt.
Looking even more forward to the eventual sub 11 second 100m.......on the treadmill
No offense Sprintgeezer but 18:52 and 16:34 are different worlds.
3:00 marathon vs. 2:38 on VDOT, for example.
Sit and kick wrote:
No offense Sprintgeezer but 18:52 and 16:34 are different worlds.
3:00 marathon vs. 2:38 on VDOT, for example.
or one 1x18:52 vs 8.4x18:52 non-stop
Sit and kick wrote:
No offense Sprintgeezer but 18:52 and 16:34 are different worlds.
3:00 marathon vs. 2:38 on VDOT, for example.
Yeah I know, I was talking about the improvement, not about the time.
3-hour marathon?!. Geez, and here I thought my sub-19 was pretty great. F me, 3 hours? And in reality for me, that probably would translate to 3:30-3:40. Faster than Oprah, at least.
Lol good thing I have taken up sprint drills again instead?
blerg wrote:
I'm looking forward to his treadmill marathon attempt.
When races open up, surely he'll enter real races and prove his speed for real.
(not holding my breath)
Remember Alex Viada was going to run actual races in 2014-2015 and prove all the doubters wrong? Still waiting.
Alex eventually came to terms with how slow he was. He still claims a fast mile (that he won't reveal) and doesn't completely fess up to making up nonsense, but at least he somewhat admits he was full of sh!t. Although in his attempt to match his claim, he admits to taking all sorts of PEDs, as if that would have made his mile time legit?
https://completehumanperformance.com/2018/08/22/the-price-of-a-mile/Even with the aid of massive loads of drugs, (certain blood boosters, ITPP, AICAR, GW1516, stimulants…), I couldn’t pull it together. I simply am not a true 4:15 miler, period, and I was learning this.
blerg wrote:
Alex eventually came to terms with how slow he was. He still claims a fast mile (that he won't reveal) and doesn't completely fess up to making up nonsense, but at least he somewhat admits he was full of sh!t. Although in his attempt to match his claim, he admits to taking all sorts of PEDs, as if that would have made his mile time legit?
https://completehumanperformance.com/2018/08/22/the-price-of-a-mile/Even with the aid of massive loads of drugs, (certain blood boosters, ITPP, AICAR, GW1516, stimulants…), I couldn’t pull it together. I simply am not a true 4:15 miler, period, and I was learning this.
That article is so full of complete bullshite.
"he put down some of my all time best, but unverified, numbers, out of context- these numbers included a 4:15 downhill mile (that downhill caveat being left out- in his defense, that was likely never properly conveyed). "
He was asked straight out in interviews what his mile time was and he said "4:15". No context, no disclaimers. He had previously said 4:17 and track times of 4:23 and 4:27. It was him, not some one else, who intentionally spread those lies.
And don't forget that he did it all with a completely detached hamstring and a dislocated hip.
He has outright lied about his documented times, taking hours off his perfectly respectable 50 mile and ironman times for some reason. His marathon stories blatantly contradict each other.
He spends more time boasting than "coming clean"
"Me, a fraud. An education from Duke University (verified) and graduate work in biomechanics and nutrition science. An IQ over 150 and member of the Triple Nine Society (verified)."
What kind of d!ck brings up IQ? I'm a PhD academic and in decades in academia have never heard anyone mention IQ ever.
" A careless conversation with some unverifiable numbers,"
bullllllllll shiiiiiiiiiiiite. he carefully published those numbers again and again in different publications and interviews. He posted a garmin capture of a ~4:30 mile before someone noticed it said his heartrate was 130 during it (like on a bike) and then he took it down.
Wish I hadn't read that. The guy lies when truth would serve him better. What a complete and total lying douchebag!
The fitness industry has been full of these snake oil salesmen since the dawn of time. It’s built on false advertising, look at the nonsense pro athletes have pretended they use over the years - even Cristiano Ronaldo is peddling products the ‘sixpad’ ab exerciser (if anyone wants a laugh, look it up).
The online ‘aesthetic’ bodybuilding community is possibly the funniest example. Run a few cycles, respond well, get a spray tan, tell 16 year olds how they can finally get girls for the small price of $70 per month.
No one in the fitness or running community has ever lied or mislead anyone,,
I got banned (and sent a nasty message from the mods) for saying this:
“If you really want to get rid of some of the speculation around the legitimacy of this, post the links to your garmin runs. Set the privacy zone so people can't see where you live (assuming you left / arrived from somewhere you're concerned about people seeing).
OR (and this is safer for everyone), post a video of you actually running a 4:55 mile on a track. That'll clear up a lot. But even then, a 16:35 guy should be able to run faster than that in the mile. Hope to see you around!”
They won’t even chill when people post reasonable responses.
Holy crap wrote:
I got banned (and sent a nasty message from the mods) for saying this:
“If you really want to get rid of some of the speculation around the legitimacy of this, post the links to your garmin runs. Set the privacy zone so people can't see where you live (assuming you left / arrived from somewhere you're concerned about people seeing).
OR (and this is safer for everyone), post a video of you actually running a 4:55 mile on a track. That'll clear up a lot. But even then, a 16:35 guy should be able to run faster than that in the mile. Hope to see you around!”
They won’t even chill when people post reasonable responses.
What an appalling way for the mods to respond to a completely legitimate post by you. That kind of community is much better classified as a cult--no dissent will be tolerated and you WILL worship our God nsuns!!
What a joke.
hybrid athlete wrote:
blerg wrote:
Alex eventually came to terms with how slow he was. He still claims a fast mile (that he won't reveal) and doesn't completely fess up to making up nonsense, but at least he somewhat admits he was full of sh!t. Although in his attempt to match his claim, he admits to taking all sorts of PEDs, as if that would have made his mile time legit?
https://completehumanperformance.com/2018/08/22/the-price-of-a-mile/That article is so full of complete bullshite.
"he put down some of my all time best, but unverified, numbers, out of context- these numbers included a 4:15 downhill mile (that downhill caveat being left out- in his defense, that was likely never properly conveyed). "
He was asked straight out in interviews what his mile time was and he said "4:15". No context, no disclaimers. He had previously said 4:17 and track times of 4:23 and 4:27. It was him, not some one else, who intentionally spread those lies.
And don't forget that he did it all with a completely detached hamstring and a dislocated hip.
He has outright lied about his documented times, taking hours off his perfectly respectable 50 mile and ironman times for some reason. His marathon stories blatantly contradict each other.
He spends more time boasting than "coming clean"
"Me, a fraud. An education from Duke University (verified) and graduate work in biomechanics and nutrition science. An IQ over 150 and member of the Triple Nine Society (verified)."
What kind of d!ck brings up IQ? I'm a PhD academic and in decades in academia have never heard anyone mention IQ ever.
" A careless conversation with some unverifiable numbers,"
bullllllllll shiiiiiiiiiiiite. he carefully published those numbers again and again in different publications and interviews. He posted a garmin capture of a ~4:30 mile before someone noticed it said his heartrate was 130 during it (like on a bike) and then he took it down.
Wish I hadn't read that. The guy lies when truth would serve him better. What a complete and total lying douchebag!
Nothing will ever satisfy the self-righteous keyboard vigilante. No apology is sincere enough, no penance severe enough. Get over yourself.
Hey guys I just discovered LetsRun. You'll be happy to know that I am running the St. GEORGE MARATHON in October to silence all the haters!! Gonna get that sub-3 marathon and prove all of you wrong!!