This thread was deleted by a volunteer moderator. I certainly don't want a thread this big deleted so I've restored. THat being said, this thread has served it's purpose. I've closed it to new posts.
We have a new 2024 vaccine thread here. New people don't need to try to wade through 20,000 posts to figure out what is going on.
Because they cant keep track of 5-10 different things in their head. They need one big bad guy.
Why only one bad guy? It seems like Dr Redfield got out of the spotlight quickly as he was never a people person
For the same reason antivaxxers have a proclivity to attribute/explain everything by pointing to some conspiratorial, nefarious scheme: when antivaxxers come across stuff they don't understand (overwhelmingly frequent), their narcissism doesn't allow them to admit they don't know everything and so the only avenue to resort to is to invent some childish fiction that somehow the majority of people and scientists don't know about, but that they somehow have the brilliance to see all by themselves. Makes for good entertainment for sane folks!
Also it looks like the 1 in 8 number lost to follow-up is in reference to the pfizer trial, which kept bringing people into the study until they had reached their target number (a bit of 37,000) required to powrr the study. This means that a large number of people got the first dose, but not the second dose at the time that target was reached. In the moderna study(which is easier to read) they indicated that 96% of the people who got the first dose also came in for the second.
Also it looks like the 1 in 8 number lost to follow-up is in reference to the pfizer trial, which kept bringing people into the study until they had reached their target number (a bit of 37,000) required to powrr the study. This means that a large number of people got the first dose, but not the second dose at the time that target was reached. In the moderna study(which is easier to read) they indicated that 96% of the people who got the first dose also came in for the second.
just google Moderna vaccine efficacy nejm
Thanks.
The Pfizer study showed that 6,000+ participants dropped out after the first dose. That's about 15%. No reason was given. That sounds unreasonably high to me for people who were frightened by covid and willing to volunteer, complete the screening, wait for the results of screening, and take the first dose only to disappear.
My related concern is that the dropouts were almost identical for both the test and control groups. I can't remember the exact number. It was less than 2 dozen and the numbers that come to mind are 13, 15, and 23. That's less than 0.77% difference between the groups
However, the vaccine has multiple, documented side effects. (See study below.) Only 34% of 1,137 vaccinated persons reported zero side effects after the first dose. There were 18 cases of thrombocytopenia and one case of myocarditis.
Quoting from the study: The most commonly reported adverse events were fever, chills, headache, fatigue, pain and swelling at the injection site, muscle pain, and joint pain. Allergic reactions were reported by 12.7% of the participants; furthermore, participants with a history of allergy or anaphylaxis before vaccination had a significantly higher tendency for post-vaccination allergic reactions. Eight participants reported rare side effects, including 7 (0.6%) cases of thrombocytopenia and one (0.1%) case of myocarditis.
Note that this was out of 1,137 subjects. If we extrapolate those numbers to the Pfizer study we get:
Mild side effects: 66% of 21,000 = 13,860
Thrombocytopenia: 7/1137 = .62% x 21,000 = 129
Myocarditis: 1/1137 = .09% x 21,000 = 18
These are NON-RANDOM events in that they occurred in the test group, not the control group. With an estimated 13,860 adverse effects in the vaccinated group, it's just human nature to expect some of those people experiencing "mild" side effects would drop out.
I would expect a lot more dropouts in the vaccinated group, but, IIRC, the number of dropouts in each group were within 20 people. I don't remember the exact number. To me, this makes the numbers look manipulated. When we are given no reason for why they weren't followed up or why they were lose, it makes it even more suspicious to me.
Keep in mind that Pfizer made $40,000,000,000.00 on their vaccine in 2021. That is a LOT of money to get someone to look the other way or when an issue is in a gray area, to decide in favor of Pfizer.
Background The Pfizer BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine was the first to receive emergency authorization and approval from the FDA. Therefore, it is preferred by most recipients; however, many people are concerned about the vaccine’s...
A controversial British cardiologist has called for the Pfizer and Moderna Covid shots to be suspended in Australia until the risk of heart complications is better understood, saying prior vaccines “have been pulled for much less”.
Dr Aseem Malhotra, who has emerged as one of the most high-profile figures in the anti-vaccine movement and is currently in Australia on a speaking tour, said it was a “no-brainer” and accused the medicines regulator, the Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA), of ignoring the clear safety signal from its own reporting system once the rollout was well under way.
“People can be forgiving if new information comes in, we know people make mistakes — but once you get that information back, them not acting on it … the problem is the cover-up is worse than the crime,” he said.
Also it looks like the 1 in 8 number lost to follow-up is in reference to the pfizer trial, which kept bringing people into the study until they had reached their target number (a bit of 37,000) required to powrr the study. This means that a large number of people got the first dose, but not the second dose at the time that target was reached. In the moderna study(which is easier to read) they indicated that 96% of the people who got the first dose also came in for the second.
just google Moderna vaccine efficacy nejm
Thanks.
The Pfizer study showed that 6,000+ participants dropped out after the first dose. That's about 15%. No reason was given. That sounds unreasonably high to me for people who were frightened by covid and willing to volunteer, complete the screening, wait for the results of screening, and take the first dose only to disappear.
My related concern is that the dropouts were almost identical for both the test and control groups. I can't remember the exact number. It was less than 2 dozen and the numbers that come to mind are 13, 15, and 23. That's less than 0.77% difference between the groups
However, the vaccine has multiple, documented side effects. (See study below.) Only 34% of 1,137 vaccinated persons reported zero side effects after the first dose. There were 18 cases of thrombocytopenia and one case of myocarditis.
Quoting from the study: The most commonly reported adverse events were fever, chills, headache, fatigue, pain and swelling at the injection site, muscle pain, and joint pain. Allergic reactions were reported by 12.7% of the participants; furthermore, participants with a history of allergy or anaphylaxis before vaccination had a significantly higher tendency for post-vaccination allergic reactions. Eight participants reported rare side effects, including 7 (0.6%) cases of thrombocytopenia and one (0.1%) case of myocarditis.
Note that this was out of 1,137 subjects. If we extrapolate those numbers to the Pfizer study we get:
Mild side effects: 66% of 21,000 = 13,860
Thrombocytopenia: 7/1137 = .62% x 21,000 = 129
Myocarditis: 1/1137 = .09% x 21,000 = 18
These are NON-RANDOM events in that they occurred in the test group, not the control group. With an estimated 13,860 adverse effects in the vaccinated group, it's just human nature to expect some of those people experiencing "mild" side effects would drop out.
I would expect a lot more dropouts in the vaccinated group, but, IIRC, the number of dropouts in each group were within 20 people. I don't remember the exact number. To me, this makes the numbers look manipulated. When we are given no reason for why they weren't followed up or why they were lose, it makes it even more suspicious to me.
Keep in mind that Pfizer made $40,000,000,000.00 on their vaccine in 2021. That is a LOT of money to get someone to look the other way or when an issue is in a gray area, to decide in favor of Pfizer.
Also it looks like the 1 in 8 number lost to follow-up is in reference to the pfizer trial, which kept bringing people into the study until they had reached their target number (a bit of 37,000) required to powrr the study. This means that a large number of people got the first dose, but not the second dose at the time that target was reached. In the moderna study(which is easier to read) they indicated that 96% of the people who got the first dose also came in for the second.
just google Moderna vaccine efficacy nejm
Thanks.
The Pfizer study showed that 6,000+ participants dropped out after the first dose. That's about 15%. No reason was given. That sounds unreasonably high to me for people who were frightened by covid and willing to volunteer, complete the screening, wait for the results of screening, and take the first dose only to disappear.
My related concern is that the dropouts were almost identical for both the test and control groups. I can't remember the exact number. It was less than 2 dozen and the numbers that come to mind are 13, 15, and 23. That's less than 0.77% difference between the groups
However, the vaccine has multiple, documented side effects. (See study below.) Only 34% of 1,137 vaccinated persons reported zero side effects after the first dose. There were 18 cases of thrombocytopenia and one case of myocarditis.
Quoting from the study: The most commonly reported adverse events were fever, chills, headache, fatigue, pain and swelling at the injection site, muscle pain, and joint pain. Allergic reactions were reported by 12.7% of the participants; furthermore, participants with a history of allergy or anaphylaxis before vaccination had a significantly higher tendency for post-vaccination allergic reactions. Eight participants reported rare side effects, including 7 (0.6%) cases of thrombocytopenia and one (0.1%) case of myocarditis.
Note that this was out of 1,137 subjects. If we extrapolate those numbers to the Pfizer study we get:
Mild side effects: 66% of 21,000 = 13,860
Thrombocytopenia: 7/1137 = .62% x 21,000 = 129
Myocarditis: 1/1137 = .09% x 21,000 = 18
These are NON-RANDOM events in that they occurred in the test group, not the control group. With an estimated 13,860 adverse effects in the vaccinated group, it's just human nature to expect some of those people experiencing "mild" side effects would drop out.
I would expect a lot more dropouts in the vaccinated group, but, IIRC, the number of dropouts in each group were within 20 people. I don't remember the exact number. To me, this makes the numbers look manipulated. When we are given no reason for why they weren't followed up or why they were lose, it makes it even more suspicious to me.
Keep in mind that Pfizer made $40,000,000,000.00 on their vaccine in 2021. That is a LOT of money to get someone to look the other way or when an issue is in a gray area, to decide in favor of Pfizer.
You missed the point. They didnt drop out. They weren’t included in the study because they had only received their first dose by the time the study met its numbers requirement(over 37000 having received 2 doses). Did you read the study and all its appendices?
The Pfizer study showed that 6,000+ participants dropped out after the first dose. That's about 15%. No reason was given. That sounds unreasonably high to me for people who were frightened by covid and willing to volunteer, complete the screening, wait for the results of screening, and take the first dose only to disappear.
Where are you getting these numbers?
They don't seem to be consistent with Figure 1 from the Pfizer report as linked below. "6000+" seems to be the difference in the number of persons who were screened and vaccinated, but did not make it to the two month followup point, not strictly the difference between the cohort size from dose 1 to dose 2.
They don't seem to be consistent with Figure 1 from the Pfizer report as linked below. "6000+" seems to be the difference in the number of persons who were screened and vaccinated, but did not make it to the two month followup point, not strictly the difference between the cohort size from dose 1 to dose 2.
My understanding of the figure linked above is that (as per "trashcan" in post #11706) is that the study design wanted 37,000 persons with 2 months of data. Of the 43,448 initially vaccinated this criteria was met (on October 9, 2020) and the data set closed and analyzed for the report.
So the "6000+" were "not included" rather than "dropped" and they were presumably "not included" because they were vaccinated later and there was considerable urgency to get to EUA quickly.
One would reasonably expect the drop rate for these subjects between dose 1 and dose 2 is similar to the rate for those subjects included in the report.
You missed the point. They didnt drop out. They weren’t included in the study because they had only received their first dose by the time the study met its numbers requirement(over 37000 having received 2 doses). Did you read the study and all its appendices?
If that is the case, I stand corrected. Thanks. (I posted a longer reply, but it didn't post. Odd. I've switched computers and still couldn't post. I'm trying now by using a different browser.)
At the time (December 2020) when the Pfizer clinical trial came out, I decided to take a wait-and-see approach to see what the long-term effects would be. My concern over the 6,000+ participants was one concern, but mostly it was a combination of several things that affected my decision to wait... the unprecedented rapid development of the covid vaccine in less than 90 days when previous vaccines took years to develop, the average observation period of only two months in the clinical trials, and Pfizer's previous history of multiple False Claims Act violations.
I am a physician who has been working at the bedside of COVID+ patients in NYC. I believe we are treating the wrong disease and that we must change what we ...
AbstractAims. A comprehensive nationwide study on the incidence and outcomes of COVID-19 vaccination-related myocarditis (VRM) is in need.Methods and results. A
INCH by agonising inch, we move closer to the denouement of the ‘safe and effective’ Covid vaccine tragedy.
It is agonising for doctors who believed the jab would help protect patients against serious illness; for people harmed and bereaved by the jabs, and for researchers who have been telling us for more than two years (see here, for example) that vaccines based on preparing the body to deal with SARS-CoV-2’s toxic ‘spike’ protein might cause the same type of damage as the virus itself.
Now, in a comprehensive nationwide South Korean study, an expert committee has confirmed 480 cases of vaccine-related heart inflammation (myocarditis), including 21 deaths, 12 of which were in young adults. Ninety-five of the 480 cases were classified as severe, most needing intensive care in hospital and one receiving a heart transplant.
The analysis may be the most comprehensive to date from anywhere in the world. The committee included seven cardiologists, helped by investigators in 16 regional centres who provided data from medical records. Physicians and health care staff were put under a legal obligation to report suspected adverse events from the jab.
Stringent criteria were adopted before concluding that the vaccine was to blame, possibly causing many likely cases to be excluded. The 480 confirmed cases were among 1,533 cases reported in which acute myocarditis was suspected.
Reporting their findings in the European Heart Journal, the researchers say that in comparison to the 44million people vaccinated during the study period (26 February to 31 December 2021) myocarditis attributable to the vaccine is rare. It was highest in young men, aged between 12 and 17 (5.29 cases per 100,000 vaccinated people) and lowest in women over 70 (0.22 per 100,000).
They express particular concern, however, that eight of the 21 deaths were initially classified as sudden cardiac death, unrelated to the vaccine, and came to light only as the result of post-mortem examination.
‘Sudden cardiac death (SCD) was the most serious and worrisome adverse reaction of Covid-19 vaccination in our study,’ they write. In those eight cases, despite death within a week of vaccination, ‘VRM (vaccine-related myocarditis) was not suspected as a clinical diagnosis or a cause of death before performing an autopsy.’
All eight were aged under 45, and all received the mRNA vaccines, with vaccine-related myocarditis deemed by the investigators to be ‘the only possible cause of death’.
This finding, they say, ‘warrants the careful monitoring or warning of SCD as a potentially fatal complication of Covid-19 vaccination’, especially in individuals aged under 45.
Elderly people may also be at risk, but less likely to be diagnosed as victims of the jab because of pre-existing heart disease.
Tiffany Dover, a nurse at CHI Memorial Hospital, Chattanooga, is one of the first persons to get vaxxed on live television. She promptly faints. Shortly afterwards she gives a brief interview and then... she disappears! Social media and instagram posts stop. NBC sends a crew to find her and fails. Can't find her at work or at home. How hard could it be to track down a person if you know where she supposedly works and where she supposedly lives. Someone would have seen her.
Did she die from the vaccine? Did she suffer a chronic adverse event? Did Pfizer pay her to keep quiet. This is just bizarre.
Just asking questions... completely made up BS. "Did she die of the vaccine" and was she "paid off by Pfizer". She was hounded by antivaxxers and went into hiding.
She went into hiding to avoid being hounded by the question, "Are you still alive? Are you OK," rather than just saying, "Yes." Makes perfect sense, to a vaxxer.
I already know what you’re going to say about this. I mentioned it in a post yesterday. But go ahead and say it. Here’s your chance.
When it comes to Covid "vaccines", I hope Mr. Foxx made the best decision for himself. Nobody knows the cause of his recent medical difficulties, there are only rumors.
I am unvaccinated. I certainly made the best decision for myself !
Do you think that people who think pharma companies and public health authorities are intentionally trying to harm them (or the public) are schizophrenic?
Do you think that people who think pharma companies and public health authorities are intentionally trying to harm them (or the public) are schizophrenic?
Do you think that people who think pharma companies and public health authorities are intentionally trying to harm them (or the public) are schizophrenic?
Life is too easy for these losers. They need an enemy to rail against.
Do you think that people who think pharma companies and public health authorities are intentionally trying to harm them (or the public) are schizophrenic?
Life is too easy for these losers. They need an enemy to rail against.
False. The fact of the matter is we the unvaxxed are so healthy and strong, we need outlets for our abundance of excess energy.
You lost. Do yourself a favor and go back to whatever it was your were doing before Covid and mRNA goop.
This is a bit off-topic, but it's related and interesting, I think.
My sister was diagnosed yesterday with long covid. She had covid in 2020, got double vaxxed in 2021 with severe reactions both times. After the 2nd dose, she and her doctor agreed that she shouldn't take the booster. But in spite of the double shots, she got covid again last December. Anyway, her doctor prescribed a compound of ivermectin and naltrexone (I had to look up naltrexone). I also shipped her some quercetin. I did a search for long covid and found a very interesting study. (Link below)
The following factors increase your risk of getting long covid... being female, advanced age, asthma, diabetes, obesity/overweight, poor mental health, and a history of Epstein Barr. The risk is five times higher for menopausal and perimenopausal women. Severity of the initial covid infection was not a predictive factor in getting long covid.
The pandemic of COVID-19 is the biggest public health crisis in 21[st] Century. Besides the acute symptoms after infection, patients and society are also being challenged by the long-term health complications associated with...
