LOL! A leftist preaching about being self important. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Ukraine was doing the same thing Russia is doing to Ukrainians in the separatist regions for the last 7+ years.
Ukrainians are committing war crimes all over the place.
I don't care who you're pals with.
In your idiotic analogy Ukraine was raping the separatists long before the Russians showed up.
Supporting the Ukraine doesn't make someone a "leftist" (WTF that is). Perhaps if you tried to actually understand situations, rather than simplying assigning labels to people you disagree with, you would be able to actually learn something. Rather, you prefer to stick your head in the sand and only worry about yourself.
You've never been to the Ukraine. You've never interacted with anybody from the Ukraine. Yet, you claim to be an expert about what's going on in the Ukraine, how the Ukrainian people should think, and what's best for the Ukraine.
So, your solution to alleged war crimes by Ukrainian soldiers in Eastern Ukraine is for Russian troops to come in and murder a bunch of civilians, commit countless war crimes of their own, and then run back to Russia with the tail between their legs? Russian soldiers have been in Eastern Ukraine for almost 10 years - there couldn't be any war crimes against the Russians showed up, because there was no war in Eastern Ukraine before the Russians showed up. Oh, sorry, they weren't Russian solders, they were ex-Russian soldiers on holiday.
Remember the lovely pro-Russian rebels were the ones that shot down MH17. That's who you're supporting now?
The clear majority of posters here are leftists.
People are mad at me precisely because I understand the situation and they don't.
You're cheering for Ukraine because it showed up in your feed a month ago.
The war has been going on for 8 YEARS. Over 10,000 people have died in this war you're completely unaware of.
I never claimed to know or care what's best for Ukraine. I care about what's best for the United States. In the long term good relations with Russia is infinitely more useful to the United States than backing Ukraine and driving Russia into China's arms.
Is this “Adult” guy still trying to “both sides” this conflict.
The Ukrainian govt made be corrupt, heartless, etc. but they are not invading another country and bombing apartment blocks. They haven’t caused 5-10 million people to flee their homes.
You are sacrificing all sensibility to seem “enlightened.” The constant tie-ins to politics (everything is partisan?) are just like the COVID morons.
This BS is literally why I come to LRC. During rough days it’s nice to always be reminded someone is stupider than me.
It's great to witness the massive disappointment of the trump/putin-lovers. They are for anything that owns the libs, even if democracy gets owned too. Hope you enjoy your never ending losses and remember I'll happily pay for your one way ticket to Moscow and help you pack.
Supporting the Ukraine doesn't make someone a "leftist" (WTF that is). Perhaps if you tried to actually understand situations, rather than simplying assigning labels to people you disagree with, you would be able to actually learn something. Rather, you prefer to stick your head in the sand and only worry about yourself.
You've never been to the Ukraine. You've never interacted with anybody from the Ukraine. Yet, you claim to be an expert about what's going on in the Ukraine, how the Ukrainian people should think, and what's best for the Ukraine.
So, your solution to alleged war crimes by Ukrainian soldiers in Eastern Ukraine is for Russian troops to come in and murder a bunch of civilians, commit countless war crimes of their own, and then run back to Russia with the tail between their legs? Russian soldiers have been in Eastern Ukraine for almost 10 years - there couldn't be any war crimes against the Russians showed up, because there was no war in Eastern Ukraine before the Russians showed up. Oh, sorry, they weren't Russian solders, they were ex-Russian soldiers on holiday.
Remember the lovely pro-Russian rebels were the ones that shot down MH17. That's who you're supporting now?
The clear majority of posters here are leftists.
People are mad at me precisely because I understand the situation and they don't.
You're cheering for Ukraine because it showed up in your feed a month ago.
The war has been going on for 8 YEARS. Over 10,000 people have died in this war you're completely unaware of.
I never claimed to know or care what's best for Ukraine. I care about what's best for the United States. In the long term good relations with Russia is infinitely more useful to the United States than backing Ukraine and driving Russia into China's arms.
I'm not "supporting" either side.
Once again, you're making assumptions and stating them as fact.
I'm not supporting Ukraine "because it showed up in my feed a month ago." I'm supporting Ukraine because I have family that lives in Kyiv. I'm supporting Ukraine because I visited the Ukraine in 2014 and loved it. So, while you may have recently read a wikipedia page, I'm well aware that Russia has been meddling in the Ukraine for the last 8 years.
Good relations with Russia would be great. Good relations with Russia while Putin is in charge are never going to be useful because he is never going to be an equal and honest partner. If you really care about what's best for the United States then you would understand that the best result is a humiliating Russian defeat that forces Putin and his ilk out of power.
Is this “Adult” guy still trying to “both sides” this conflict.
The Ukrainian govt made be corrupt, heartless, etc. but they are not invading another country and bombing apartment blocks. They haven’t caused 5-10 million people to flee their homes.
You are sacrificing all sensibility to seem “enlightened.” The constant tie-ins to politics (everything is partisan?) are just like the COVID morons.
This BS is literally why I come to LRC. During rough days it’s nice to always be reminded someone is stupider than me.
keep it up!
Ukraine is NOT a democracy.
Ukraine was bombing civilians for 8 years before they got invaded.
Is this “Adult” guy still trying to “both sides” this conflict.
The Ukrainian govt made be corrupt, heartless, etc. but they are not invading another country and bombing apartment blocks. They haven’t caused 5-10 million people to flee their homes.
You are sacrificing all sensibility to seem “enlightened.” The constant tie-ins to politics (everything is partisan?) are just like the COVID morons.
This BS is literally why I come to LRC. During rough days it’s nice to always be reminded someone is stupider than me.
keep it up!
LOLz... one of the beauties of this whole thing is that indeed Ukraine was corrupt to the core country. That has been a huge right winger talking point. But their hero Putin erased that in one idiotic move by ordering the invasion. Now Z is a global champion of democracy, Ukrainians are victims, putin is a total incompetent weakling, Biden is a genius, and Putin's supporting cast in the GQP is totally lost on strategy.
Is this “Adult” guy still trying to “both sides” this conflict.
Currently, he is playing the role of the victim. At the beginning of the thread, he was the pro-Putin chest-beater. In the middle, he was the MAGAA nihilist.
It's great to witness the massive disappointment of the trump/putin-lovers. They are for anything that owns the libs, even if democracy gets owned too. Hope you enjoy your never ending losses and remember I'll happily pay for your one way ticket to Moscow and help you pack.
Is this “Adult” guy still trying to “both sides” this conflict.
The Ukrainian govt made be corrupt, heartless, etc. but they are not invading another country and bombing apartment blocks. They haven’t caused 5-10 million people to flee their homes.
You are sacrificing all sensibility to seem “enlightened.” The constant tie-ins to politics (everything is partisan?) are just like the COVID morons.
This BS is literally why I come to LRC. During rough days it’s nice to always be reminded someone is stupider than me.
keep it up!
LOLz... one of the beauties of this whole thing is that indeed Ukraine was corrupt to the core country. That has been a huge right winger talking point. But their hero Putin erased that in one idiotic move by ordering the invasion. Now Z is a global champion of democracy, Ukrainians are victims, putin is a total incompetent weakling, Biden is a genius, and Putin's supporting cast in the GQP is totally lost on strategy.
Biden is a moron with an approval rating in the 30s.
You might want to pull your head out of his butt and look around once in awhile...
Ukraine is even more corrupt today than it was a month ago. When the war is over Ukraine will continue being completely corrupt.
No one cares if Ukraine is or isn’t a Democracy. The Ukrainian government may have tortured kittens for fun but now they have a globally unifying cause to protect their civilians. Who has caused 5+ million to flee their homes? Who is bombing apartment blocks and killing thousands of civilians?
I know it’s enraging that you “secretly” know the “truth” about the Ukrainian government but the world doesn’t care if bad people are in charge. They care that Ukraine is being invaded and millions of people killed or displaced.
Adult has a very naive and childish view of how the world works. The irony :)
People are mad at me precisely because I understand the situation and they don't.
You're cheering for Ukraine because it showed up in your feed a month ago.
The war has been going on for 8 YEARS. Over 10,000 people have died in this war you're completely unaware of.
I never claimed to know or care what's best for Ukraine. I care about what's best for the United States. In the long term good relations with Russia is infinitely more useful to the United States than backing Ukraine and driving Russia into China's arms.
I'm not "supporting" either side.
Once again, you're making assumptions and stating them as fact.
I'm not supporting Ukraine "because it showed up in my feed a month ago." I'm supporting Ukraine because I have family that lives in Kyiv. I'm supporting Ukraine because I visited the Ukraine in 2014 and loved it. So, while you may have recently read a wikipedia page, I'm well aware that Russia has been meddling in the Ukraine for the last 8 years.
Good relations with Russia would be great. Good relations with Russia while Putin is in charge are never going to be useful because he is never going to be an equal and honest partner. If you really care about what's best for the United States then you would understand that the best result is a humiliating Russian defeat that forces Putin and his ilk out of power.
It's been a lot longer than 8 years.
Putin won't live forever.
Ukraine will never be significant on the global stage.
No one cares if Ukraine is or isn’t a Democracy. The Ukrainian government may have tortured kittens for fun but now they have a globally unifying cause to protect their civilians. Who has caused 5+ million to flee their homes? Who is bombing apartment blocks and killing thousands of civilians?
I know it’s enraging that you “secretly” know the “truth” about the Ukrainian government but the world doesn’t care if bad people are in charge. They care that Ukraine is being invaded and millions of people killed or displaced.
Adult has a very naive and childish view of how the world works. The irony :)
You're reacting emotionally in the short term while ignoring the long term impact and I'm the one that's naive and childish... LOL!
It's great to witness the massive disappointment of the trump/putin-lovers. They are for anything that owns the libs, even if democracy gets owned too. Hope you enjoy your never ending losses and remember I'll happily pay for your one way ticket to Moscow and help you pack.
Adult has a very naive and childish view of how the world works. The irony :)
There really aren't any sane and rational people willing to defend the Russian position in this conflict, so this thread has mainly been a few "special" posters trying their best to distract from the reality on the ground.
LOLz... one of the beauties of this whole thing is that indeed Ukraine was corrupt to the core country. That has been a huge right winger talking point. But their hero Putin erased that in one idiotic move by ordering the invasion. Now Z is a global champion of democracy, Ukrainians are victims, putin is a total incompetent weakling, Biden is a genius, and Putin's supporting cast in the GQP is totally lost on strategy.
Biden is a moron with an approval rating in the 30s.
You might want to pull your head out of his butt and look around once in awhile...
Ukraine is even more corrupt today than it was a month ago. When the war is over Ukraine will continue being completely corrupt.
If Ukraine is so corrupt than why did the Trump administration send them so much military aid? Fyi... the 2021 Corruption Perception Index places Russia as more corrupt than Ukraine. So, what's your point by brining up corruption? That Trump effed up? Or, that it's a false flag to try and distract people from the fact that you're still supporting Putin's war against a sovereign country.
Honouring war criminals and Nazi collaborators, promoting fascist militias, mafia-like fights between oligarchs, corruption and massive social inequality are the most prominent features of Ukrainian “democracy.”
Biden is a moron with an approval rating in the 30s.
You might want to pull your head out of his butt and look around once in awhile...
Ukraine is even more corrupt today than it was a month ago. When the war is over Ukraine will continue being completely corrupt.
If Ukraine is so corrupt than why did the Trump administration send them so much military aid? Fyi... the 2021 Corruption Perception Index places Russia as more corrupt than Ukraine. So, what's your point by brining up corruption? That Trump effed up? Or, that it's a false flag to try and distract people from the fact that you're still supporting Putin's war against a sovereign country.
LOL!
Ukraine is #2 behind Russia.
Both countries are garbage. Both countries are corrupt oligarchic shams of democracy.
I've never supported Putin I've just pointed out that his thinking is rational whatever anyone's opinion on the righteousness of the invasion is.
We're $30 trillion in debt. We shouldn't be sending aid to anyone.
You throw the word "leftist" around as an insult, and the best you can do to back up your claims is to cite the self-proclaimed "online newspaper of the international Trotskyist movement"?
Or are you some master of satire that a simple guy like me doesn't get?
You throw the word "leftist" around as an insult, and the best you can do to back up your claims is to cite the self-proclaimed "online newspaper of the international Trotskyist movement"?
Or are you some master of satire that a simple guy like me doesn't get?
If I link a right wing site they'll just dismiss it as propaganda.
And lets look at what Putin and the Ukraine resistance have accomplished. Russia's economy and world standing are in shambles. Russia's military is badly damaged and its leadership exposed as incompetents. Ukraine, known to have corruption issues (although nothing compared to Russia) has enhanced world standing for facing up to Russian aggression.
And Putin has managed to created momentum for democracies to band together. Note this roster of countries to attend a session in the upcoming meeting of NATO ministers of foreign affairs: Australia, Finland, Georgia, Japan, the Republic of Korea, New Zealand, Sweden and Ukraine. Nice job uniting your adversaries, Vlad. And I expect Premier Xi won't be happy about this consequence of Vlad's actions either.