George Floyd / Chauvin trial starts monday

Muldoonie wrote:

pupil3142 wrote:

i think the above and other posts are sufficient to show that armstronglivs is a race baitor, racist, anti american, despicable human.

I therefore find it unpreductive to respond to his posts and will therefore ignore his posts unless he shows he is no longer racist and anti american.

It’s an anonymous message board and many people from all over the political spectrum probably type exaggerated things they don’t really mean and probably aren’t the jerks they can appear to be. But even taking that into account, Armstrong sticks out prominently here as a truly awful, hateful, and bitter person.

Don't you mean Chauvin?

Tobin's testimony went exhaustively into the role played by Chauvin's knee. It was a crucial factor, but it was also combined with the other elements in the police action - the handcuffs, the pressure on the back - that, taken as a whole, ensured Floyd's death.

The medical testimony, which has definitively ascertained that it was the police actions that were the essential cause of death, has greatly restricted the ambit for the defence to adduce other causes. A drug overdose has effectively been ruled out. The defence won't get far in calling experts to try to argue that as it can now be too easily refuted by prosecution experts, who will be able to discount it as a causative factor.

My estimation is that the defense's best option is to try to diminish the degree of intent behind the police actions - to try to say that despite the terrible "mistakes" that were made, Chauvin and his fellow officers believed they were doing their job - however badly in hindsight. This is to try to argue against his having a "depraved" mind, which is one of the ingredients in the charges. However, this could also likely require that Chauvin give evidence, which he probably wouldn't want to risk. The greater problem is that his actions will likely be construed as unlawful, through unreasonable force, which would establish 2nd degree murder.

The defence will go through the motions for the rest of the trial, but it is largely ritual now, as the prosecution has established its case. There are no new facts open to the defense. It will largely be trying to mitigate the charges.

wazzu1452 wrote:

George Floyd forced his way into a woman's home and pointed a gun at her stomach. Jacob Blake was wanted for domestic abuse and was terrorizing a woman when the cops were called.

In the Me Too era it's odd how the left is making martyrs out of violent men who prey on women.

Completely missed the point. The police do not have the right to effectively execute anyone on the street - regardless of what they have done previously in their life or how bad a person we might think they were.

wazzu1452 wrote:

Medical examiner testifies that without the presence of police, with the enlarged heart and blocked arteries, she would have concluded the cause of death was heart disease.

Chauvin walks.....

Unfortunately, the police were present - and every medical expert has said they were the cause of death. Chauvin walks - to a cell.

sweet d willie wrote:

pupil3142 wrote:

i think the above and other posts are sufficient to show that armstronglivs is a race baitor, racist, anti american, despicable human.

I therefore find it unpreductive to respond to his posts and will therefore ignore his posts unless he shows he is no longer racist and anti american.

Armstronlivs can suck my black bozak.

Who is Armstronlivs? And what is a bozak? Is it painful for you?

They have. They have said brain injury leading to cardiac arrest caused through oxygen deprivation as a result of specific and combined police actions. That's homicide.

Muldoonie wrote:

It’s an anonymous message board and many people from all over the political spectrum probably type exaggerated things they don’t really mean and probably aren’t the jerks they can appear to be. But even taking that into account, Armstrong sticks out prominently here as a truly awful, hateful, and bitter person.

qft

we are being told, without explanation, that being on your front makes it difficult to breath. So why are covid patients deliberately turned into a prone position to help their breathing?

Just asking.......

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56536933

why is the recovery position a three quarters prone position?

I know i seem to have it in for this guy, but he really is priceless. I missed this bit in the testimony. I hope he did say this, because if this isnt another nail in his coffin i dont know what is.

On redirect questioning, Blackwell asked Tobin why no bruising was found on Floyd's neck or injuries to his hypopharynx.

"I wouldn't expect anything to be found there," he said, "because the effects are not something that will remain at the time of autopsy."

Bruising isnt present at autopsy?

There must be some additional context that is omitted here, can someone help Mr Tobin out of his hole please?

https://abcnews.go.com/US/key-takeaways-derek-chauvin-trial-day/story?id=76944966

Also from the same article;

Isenschmid, the former chief toxicologist for the Wayne County, Michigan, Medical Examiner's Office, described the fentanyl and methamphetamine found in Floyd's blood as "low level" traces.

Well, we can argue about building up tolerance to drugs, but i dont think anyone has ever claimed his blood fentanyl level was 'low level'. That strikes me as deranged. Can anyone explain - in absolute terms for a normal human toxicology report, not in relative terms.

oh well, i was going to ignore it, but LRC has already shown that fentanyl does NOT peak in 5 minutes. Tobin really is hopeless.

So explain again, what exactly are your professional credentials and especially in regard to pulmonary physiology? Oh, yes - you're an engineer - and we're talking about roads and buildings here ...

If I didn't know better I would say drugs have addled your mind - but then I'm not an expert on that.

read the comments after watching this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZQtJFnF1dk

Notice that YouTube has once again shut off the comments, why is that?

https://youtu.be/iLUCIDdJgnM

Not all areas are the same wrote:

Notice that YouTube has once again shut off the comments, why is that?

https://youtu.be/iLUCIDdJgnM

Go to 46:34 and listen to what the answer by the expert is to the last question the Defense asked. There will be a lot of "clashes" by the Defenses Medical Experts in the coming week which of course armstonglivs will say are quacks.

Here is a shorter clip - it appears that what I posted before won't load.

at 3:15 is what matters and then he goes on to say Floyd had no respiratory problems prior to the knee on the neck, but he must not have analyzed him when GF stated he couldn't breathe numerous times before and while on the ground, or does he also think Floyd was not being truthful?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIE4rzx56qI

Not all areas are the same wrote:

Not all areas are the same wrote:

Notice that YouTube has once again shut off the comments, why is that?

https://youtu.be/iLUCIDdJgnM

Go to 46:34 and listen to what the answer by the expert is to the last question the Defense asked. There will be a lot of "clashes" by the Defenses Medical Experts in the coming week which of course armstonglivs will say are quacks.

i went to 46:34. what is Nelson doing? He asked Tobin if the co2 was 96, tobin replied 89 and then Nelson said 'it was also 102' or somehing. And then he ended. He must think he has some game changer up his sleeve?

He got Tobin to admit that fentanyl can cause death through low oxygen to the brain. he also got Tobin to admit that street drugs are not the same as hospital drugs.

what i havent seen is whether they distinguished between ingested and injected / snprted. Previous papers say that injecting / snortig is far more common and most doctors dont come across ingested OD from fentanyl. so if all these poeple are basinf their expereince on injected / snorted fentanyl it may be irrelevant. again, maybe nelson is allowing Tobin's idiocy (damn, did it again) to stay on the record unexplained by Tobin. he doesnt really want tobin to be able to retract te surgical removal of GFs left lung (not quite).?

What the Chauvin apologists don't get. Not only are the medical experts against them, so is the Minneapolis police department. The police aren't going with the overdose theory.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/04/11/derek-chauvin-trial-thin-blue-line/

The testimonies offered by these and other high-ranking police officials, punctuated by a chief appearing in uniform, marked an unprecedented courtroom condemnation of an officer by so many of his own department’s leadership, according to law enforcement veterans and legal experts.

These arguments playing out on a nationwide stage in the closely watched trial mark a watershed moment in American policing, experts and observers say. It is not just Chauvin’s actions in the spotlight but also officers’ willingness to break the so-called “blue wall of silence,” and the justice system’s ability to police its own.

“Policing in America is on trial here,” said Joseph Giacalone, a retired detective sergeant with the New York City Police Department who teaches at John Jay College of Criminal Justice. “Derek Chauvin has done more damage to policing in America than any issue since I’ve been alive.”[/quote]

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But despite that, support here remains unabated for one rotten cop.

Why is the state so against sequestration?

judge; 'not a big surprise that people are rioting'.

So its accepted that the us allows riots any time they feel like and without all the facts?

is the judge tacitly accepting that us citizens have a geniune grudge about systemic racism and every use of force against a black man is automatically wrong until shown otherwise?

if the argument is that sequestration these days is unduly harsh given modern lifestyles..........

pupil3142 wrote:

is the judge tacitly accepting that us citizens have a geniune grudge about systemic racism and every use of force against a black man is automatically wrong until shown otherwise?

That’s quite a logical leap to take from his comment. No need to project.