This thread was deleted by a volunteer moderator. I certainly don't want a thread this big deleted so I've restored. THat being said, this thread has served it's purpose. I've closed it to new posts.
We have a new 2024 vaccine thread here. New people don't need to try to wade through 20,000 posts to figure out what is going on.
I would bet half of the doctors in the US don't even know what VAERS is. And as for being closer to the process, is that what a single day of immunology coverage during medical school during which they review the CDC's vaccine schedule and not much else gives a person?
For many, this period of medical tyranny has resulted in a change in attitudes towards doctors. They use to be revered and never questioned. Now, they are simply advisors who can help order some tests. Personally, I now always get at least two opinions.
For example, about 3 years ago the bursa sacs on my elbows both filled so that I had what looked like golf balls under the skin. Naturally, I went to a doctor. After a few minute he told me the only solution was surgery. That he had to remove the bursa sacs otherwise the problem would just come back. I thought, that sounds wrong... that sounds like a nonsensical solution. And, I thought, this surgeon must only have a single tool in his toolbox. So, I went a second doctor and got exactly the same opinion. Both doctors were very confident in their opinions. Unconvinced I took to the entertainers on the internet to look for other solutions and found that they could easily be drained with a syringe. So, I ordered a couple online and drained them myself. 3 years later, not a single issue. I have a dozen experiences like this.
Had one doctor tell me he could remove bone spurs from my shoulder via surgery to rid me of pain.
Had another tell me it was not bone spurs but just the shape of my shoulder that was the issue.
First one was okay with cortisone shots (I took a few -- sometime very helpful other times nothing).
If Fauci had stood up there and said “the vaccine isn’t safe” I wouldn’t have listened. The data were obvious. We aren’t all sheep to listen to one or two authority figures (substack bloggers) and call it a day
Yep. Getting owned by old folks on an obscure thread on an obscure running forum probably wasn't the original plan, but here you are.
Life's funny sometimes and all I can do is LOL.
Unfortunately I am impervious to being owned. Many have tried. Sorry to disappoint. 1M Americans were owned by COVID though
For example, about 3 years ago the bursa sacs on my elbows both filled so that I had what looked like golf balls under the skin. Naturally, I went to a doctor. After a few minute he told me the only solution was surgery. That he had to remove the bursa sacs otherwise the problem would just come back. I thought, that sounds wrong... that sounds like a nonsensical solution. And, I thought, this surgeon must only have a single tool in his toolbox. So, I went a second doctor and got exactly the same opinion. Both doctors were very confident in their opinions. Unconvinced I took to the entertainers on the internet to look for other solutions and found that they could easily be drained with a syringe. So, I ordered a couple online and drained them myself. 3 years later, not a single issue. I have a dozen experiences like this.
Had one doctor tell me he could remove bone spurs from my shoulder via surgery to rid me of pain.
Had another tell me it was not bone spurs but just the shape of my shoulder that was the issue.
First one was okay with cortisone shots (I took a few -- sometime very helpful other times nothing).
Second opposed using them.
For something as comparatively simple as shoulder pain there is no consensus among doctors. But for a brand new coronavirus, the only possible option is an experimental gene therapy which was not tested for long-term risks, not tested on pregnant women, not tested on children, not tested for transmission and for which Pfizer was refusing to release any data, they all jump right onto the bandwagon. Then there's the clearly wrong treatments of intubation and remdesivir. For how many months did doctors continue to kill people with these monstrous treatments?
Apparently, doctors are good at rote memorization and not much else.
Yep. Getting owned by old folks on an obscure thread on an obscure running forum probably wasn't the original plan, but here you are.
Life's funny sometimes and all I can do is LOL.
Unfortunately I am impervious to being owned. Many have tried. Sorry to disappoint. 1M Americans were owned by COVID though
Most were actually killed by something else, like getting hit by a bus. Of the remainder that actually died from Covid most were killed by medical malpractice (poisonous drugs and lung destroying intubation). In countries where they didn't use these barbaric treatments the death rates are much lower.
You misinterpret me in an extreme manner. Saying that a bright person close to a process will understand that process better than a bright person more removed from that process doesn’t strike me as arrogant(obviously there can be the rare exception).
as for the vaers data it appears that doctors are interpreting the data in the way it is intend as described in the vaers website itself.
Most doctors i know are quite suspicious of pharma motives.l, hence the clinical trials registry.
Finally, saying that the average doctor is a half-wit compared to you strikes me as the height of arrogance. Such an attitude would likely lead to negative interactions,
I would bet half of the doctors in the US don't even know what VAERS is. And as for being closer to the process, is that what a single day of immunology coverage during medical school during which they review the CDC's vaccine schedule and not much else gives a person?
For many, this period of medical tyranny has resulted in a change in attitudes towards doctors. They use to be revered and never questioned. Now, they are simply advisors who can help order some tests. Personally, I now always get at least two opinions.
It is interesting that you think that is how medical education covers immunology. That is a long way from the experience i am aware of.
Go ahead and grt second opinions. That is completely reasonable. Also, you know how you feel and what is important in your life.
it is also important to recognize that tens of thousands of hours of education and experience afford someone context that cannot be gathered from personal experience and reading on a specific subject alone.
Finally people who chose their doctors based on receiving the answers they want to hear receive substandard care. See michael jackson and reggie lewis
Unfortunately I am impervious to being owned. Many have tried. Sorry to disappoint. 1M Americans were owned by COVID though
Most were actually killed by something else, like getting hit by a bus. Of the remainder that actually died from Covid most were killed by medical malpractice (poisonous drugs and lung destroying intubation). In countries where they didn't use these barbaric treatments the death rates are much lower.
No, the vast majority (91%+) died because they had COVID. You are making excuses for being an evil, amoral person.
I would bet half of the doctors in the US don't even know what VAERS is. And as for being closer to the process, is that what a single day of immunology coverage during medical school during which they review the CDC's vaccine schedule and not much else gives a person?
For many, this period of medical tyranny has resulted in a change in attitudes towards doctors. They use to be revered and never questioned. Now, they are simply advisors who can help order some tests. Personally, I now always get at least two opinions.
For example, about 3 years ago the bursa sacs on my elbows both filled so that I had what looked like golf balls under the skin. Naturally, I went to a doctor. After a few minute he told me the only solution was surgery. That he had to remove the bursa sacs otherwise the problem would just come back. I thought, that sounds wrong... that sounds like a nonsensical solution. And, I thought, this surgeon must only have a single tool in his toolbox. So, I went a second doctor and got exactly the same opinion. Both doctors were very confident in their opinions. Unconvinced I took to the entertainers on the internet to look for other solutions and found that they could easily be drained with a syringe. So, I ordered a couple online and drained them myself. 3 years later, not a single issue. I have a dozen experiences like this.
I find this story very curious. Did you start out at the surgeon’s or with a pcp? A quick look at any middle of the road medicine site will tell you that normal care starts with conservative care, then, if needed, aspiration, and all of that fails then surgery could be considered. Doing a self-aspiration presents a significant unnecessary risk.
where do you get the idea that 50% of the 92%+ doctors believing vaccines as safe and effective don’t know what VAERS is? What % of infectious disease MDs and government drug safety panels do you think know what VAERS is and understand what conclusions can and can’t be drawn from it?
wasn’t the signal from the VAERS used to help pull J&J jab off market right away out of an abundance of caution when it was discovered quite quickly that it can (more rarely though than the odds of dying in a car accident while on the way to go get the vaccine) cause blood clots in..I forgot now ..but I think younger women? That was like 3 months after the vaccines came out. What makes you think signals in VAERS get ignored if they do actually take action(s) when VAERS shows something real? Or did they only make an example out of J&J just to give the impression to the general public that they’re paying attention? Why should we rely on entertainers/comedians/bloggers skeptical of infectious disease MDs, “big pharma,” the CDC, and the FDA to make the calls on VAERS when the underlying data they’re inputting to make these graphs on video clips and blogs makes no sense?
Had one doctor tell me he could remove bone spurs from my shoulder via surgery to rid me of pain.
Had another tell me it was not bone spurs but just the shape of my shoulder that was the issue.
First one was okay with cortisone shots (I took a few -- sometime very helpful other times nothing).
Second opposed using them.
For something as comparatively simple as shoulder pain there is no consensus among doctors. But for a brand new coronavirus, the only possible option is an experimental gene therapy which was not tested for long-term risks, not tested on pregnant women, not tested on children, not tested for transmission and for which Pfizer was refusing to release any data, they all jump right onto the bandwagon. Then there's the clearly wrong treatments of intubation and remdesivir. For how many months did doctors continue to kill people with these monstrous treatments?
Apparently, doctors are good at rote memorization and not much else.
Yet doctors recommend pregnant women get vaccinated against Covid-19. What sources say Pfizer is hiding data besides crackpot bloggers and newspaper sent to people in the mail not asking for it as toilet paper such as the Epoch Times? Aren’t patients getting intubated already on brink of death (survival rate low at that point?)
You misinterpret me in an extreme manner. Saying that a bright person close to a process will understand that process better than a bright person more removed from that process doesn’t strike me as arrogant(obviously there can be the rare exception).
as for the vaers data it appears that doctors are interpreting the data in the way it is intend as described in the vaers website itself.
Most doctors i know are quite suspicious of pharma motives.l, hence the clinical trials registry.
Finally, saying that the average doctor is a half-wit compared to you strikes me as the height of arrogance. Such an attitude would likely lead to negative interactions,
I would bet half of the doctors in the US don't even know what VAERS is. And as for being closer to the process, is that what a single day of immunology coverage during medical school during which they review the CDC's vaccine schedule and not much else gives a person?
For many, this period of medical tyranny has resulted in a change in attitudes towards doctors. They use to be revered and never questioned. Now, they are simply advisors who can help order some tests. Personally, I now always get at least two opinions.
The job of physician has radically changed in the last 30 years. Physicians were independent thinkers who applied their opinions in their practice of medicine. Those days are over. Physicians are now corporate cogs who must adhere to the dictates of the organization. Go against the standards manual and risk getting into trouble. Many people who did not acknowledge that occupational transformation in 2020 understand and acknowledge it in 2023.
For something as comparatively simple as shoulder pain there is no consensus among doctors. But for a brand new coronavirus, the only possible option is an experimental gene therapy which was not tested for long-term risks, not tested on pregnant women, not tested on children, not tested for transmission and for which Pfizer was refusing to release any data, they all jump right onto the bandwagon. Then there's the clearly wrong treatments of intubation and remdesivir. For how many months did doctors continue to kill people with these monstrous treatments?
Apparently, doctors are good at rote memorization and not much else.
Yet doctors recommend pregnant women get vaccinated against Covid-19. What sources say Pfizer is hiding data besides crackpot bloggers and newspaper sent to people in the mail not asking for it as toilet paper such as the Epoch Times? Aren’t patients getting intubated already on brink of death (survival rate low at that point?)
You mean we're only talking about Pfizer ?
Is the NY Times mainstream enough for you ? More than one year later and the data continues to be withheld.
The problem with many physicians is their inability to follow the evidence-based medicine they're supposed to. See: right wing doctors prescribing ivermectin when multiple RCTs have shown it to be useless for COVID. Too many physicians these days don't actually keep up with new science and it's sad. It's supposed to be a field for the intellectually curious.
