This thread was deleted by a volunteer moderator. I certainly don't want a thread this big deleted so I've restored. THat being said, this thread has served it's purpose. I've closed it to new posts.
We have a new 2024 vaccine thread here. New people don't need to try to wade through 20,000 posts to figure out what is going on.
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Physicians agree: COVID vaccines are safe (92%) and effective (91%).
72% of physicians said misinformation has made it harder to treat patients for COVID-19, and the same percentage said it has negatively impacted patient outcomes.
44% of physicians estimate that more than half the COVID-19 information they see, read, and hear from patients is misinformation.
In addition to misinformation about COVID-19, more than two-thirds of physicians said misinformation is also a problem in the areas of weight loss, dietary supplements, mental health, and other vaccines.
Most physicians support disciplinary action for physicians who intentionally spread false information.
Most physicians don't have any more qualifications to know if COVID vaccine safe or effective than you or me
what they have a special interest is to keep their medical license safe - and that means agree with what CDC advises
And as we know CDC are liars in regards of covid vaccine efficiency
Doctors are educated on how to read medical research and then are expected to follow the research.
Among other things, this gives them much better perspective on what we might expect in normal false positives/negatives and what is reasonable research and statistical procedure than the average citizen.
A lot of conspiracy thinking requires people to be really stupid at their ostensible work and beyond brilliant at keeping secrets, and, of course, really unethical.
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Most physicians don't have any more qualifications to know if COVID vaccine safe or effective than you or me
what they have a special interest is to keep their medical license safe - and that means agree with what CDC advises
And as we know CDC are liars in regards of covid vaccine efficiency
Doctors are educated on how to read medical research and then are expected to follow the research.
Among other things, this gives them much better perspective on what we might expect in normal false positives/negatives and what is reasonable research and statistical procedure than the average citizen.
A lot of conspiracy thinking requires people to be really stupid at their ostensible work and beyond brilliant at keeping secrets, and, of course, really unethical.
It’s complex. Extreme arrogance, misplaced trust in pharmaceutical companies and the peer review process, superficial understanding of statistics, lack of common sense, and cognitive bias make properly understanding this situation beyond the capacity of most doctors. Even if they are awake, the fear of being canceled is far greater the need to follow their Hippocratic oath. Fauci is a proven compulsive liar and extremely arrogant. His go-to tactic is to blackball and cancel any and all dissent. After all, as he himself has said, he is SCIENCE.
Doctors are educated on how to read medical research and then are expected to follow the research.
Among other things, this gives them much better perspective on what we might expect in normal false positives/negatives and what is reasonable research and statistical procedure than the average citizen.
A lot of conspiracy thinking requires people to be really stupid at their ostensible work and beyond brilliant at keeping secrets, and, of course, really unethical.
It’s complex. Extreme arrogance, misplaced trust in pharmaceutical companies and the peer review process, superficial understanding of statistics, lack of common sense, and cognitive bias make properly understanding this situation beyond the capacity of most doctors. Even if they are awake, the fear of being canceled is far greater than need to follow their Hippocratic oath. Fauci is a proven compulsive liar and extremely arrogant. His go-to tactic is to blackball and cancel any and all dissent. After all, as he himself has said, he is SCIENCE.
By the way, want to see whose on your side of this argument? Check out the diarrhea being spewed above by WiNgNut PhiLoSoferS InC.
Doctors are educated on how to read medical research and then are expected to follow the research.
Among other things, this gives them much better perspective on what we might expect in normal false positives/negatives and what is reasonable research and statistical procedure than the average citizen.
A lot of conspiracy thinking requires people to be really stupid at their ostensible work and beyond brilliant at keeping secrets, and, of course, really unethical.
It’s complex. Extreme arrogance, misplaced trust in pharmaceutical companies and the peer review process, superficial understanding of statistics, lack of common sense, and cognitive bias make properly understanding this situation beyond the capacity of most doctors. Even if they are awake, the fear of being canceled is far greater the need to follow their Hippocratic oath. Fauci is a proven compulsive liar and extremely arrogant. His go-to tactic is to blackball and cancel any and all dissent. After all, as he himself has said, he is SCIENCE.
I am sorry, in addition to being stupid and unethical you are also saying the doctors are extremely arrogant, with the exception, of course, of those doctors who support your opinion.
It is amazing that such and an impressive lot can do such a good job at keeping secrets.
For what it’s worth, it is true that medical education on statistics does not require much advanced math. On the other hand, doctors have a much better understanding on how that data would be collected than the lay person.
Do you have such a negative opinion of humanity as a whole or just doctors?
It’s complex. Extreme arrogance, misplaced trust in pharmaceutical companies and the peer review process, superficial understanding of statistics, lack of common sense, and cognitive bias make properly understanding this situation beyond the capacity of most doctors. Even if they are awake, the fear of being canceled is far greater the need to follow their Hippocratic oath. Fauci is a proven compulsive liar and extremely arrogant. His go-to tactic is to blackball and cancel any and all dissent. After all, as he himself has said, he is SCIENCE.
I am sorry, in addition to being stupid and unethical you are also saying the doctors are extremely arrogant, with the exception, of course, of those doctors who support your opinion.
It is amazing that such and an impressive lot can do such a good job at keeping secrets.
For what it’s worth, it is true that medical education on statistics does not require much advanced math. On the other hand, doctors have a much better understanding on how that data would be collected than the lay person.
Do you have such a negative opinion of humanity as a whole or just doctors?
Yes, Any doctor who has the belief that non-doctors are simply not smart enough to understand this topic are extremely arrogant. Not smart enough to interpret a scientific paper. Not smart enough to know that a third of studies, that have passed peer review and been published, are fraudulent. Not smart enough to understand statistics. Not smart enough to understand how pharmaceutical companies utilize many tricks to skew, manipulate, and hide data that stand in the way of their billions in profit. Not smart enough to understand what agency capture means and the evidence that it exists. Not smart enough to have read the Twitter Files to understand how Fauci drove the narrative and destroyed any dissenting Voice or opinion. Not smart enough to interpret VAERS data. Any of these beliefs makes a person extremely arrogant. As you have implied, most doctors hold these beliefs, ergo…
To be honest, you sound extremely arrogant as well. I’ve never studied medicine in school so I must also be a “layperson”. Never mind my advanced degrees, long career in tech, and decade of experience investing in early stage bio Pharma. I’m sorry but the average doctor is a half-wit compared to this layperson.
I rarely make generalizations, unless the preponderance of my person experiences warrants it. It is interesting that you ask this since you yourself are suggesting that doctors hold all non-doctors (the rest of humanity) in quite low regard.
Vaxxers got hoodwinked by a compulsive liar and unscientific propaganda.
If Fauci had stood up there and said “the vaccine isn’t safe” I wouldn’t have listened. The data were obvious. We aren’t all sheep to listen to one or two authority figures (substack bloggers) and call it a day
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Vaxxers got hoodwinked by a compulsive liar and unscientific propaganda.
If Fauci had stood up there and said “the vaccine isn’t safe” I wouldn’t have listened. The data were obvious. We aren’t all sheep to listen to one or two authority figures (substack bloggers) and call it a day
On the other hand, millions of right wingers and antivaxxers would have rushed to get the vaccine if he did say that, in an effort to own the libs by going against their supposed dear leader’s proclamations. Maybe antivaxxers are perversely right? Fauci caused unnecessary death by recommending the vaccine when he knew right wingers would then refuse to take it out of spite. What a world we live in!
If Fauci had stood up there and said “the vaccine isn’t safe” I wouldn’t have listened. The data were obvious. We aren’t all sheep to listen to one or two authority figures (substack bloggers) and call it a day
Yep. Getting owned by old folks on an obscure thread on an obscure running forum probably wasn't the original plan, but here you are.
This is what the age of the ‘wrecked immune system’ looks like. Record low hospitalizations.
All the sick people who came out of that conference. It is stunning. A large number of symptomatic cases and 99% were vaxxed. Please help me reconcile the outcome for those attendees with my personal situation. I am unvaccinated and in the last 1,173 days, I have been sick for 2 of those days.
When looking at what happened at the CDC meeting and then assessing my last 1,173 days, I am perplexed. Is the result typical for them AND me ? Why all these sick vaxxed people ?
WTF is going on with the heavily vaxxed compared to the unvaxxed ? Why do you consider the outcome of the CDC meeting as normal and acceptable ?
I am sorry, in addition to being stupid and unethical you are also saying the doctors are extremely arrogant, with the exception, of course, of those doctors who support your opinion.
It is amazing that such and an impressive lot can do such a good job at keeping secrets.
For what it’s worth, it is true that medical education on statistics does not require much advanced math. On the other hand, doctors have a much better understanding on how that data would be collected than the lay person.
Do you have such a negative opinion of humanity as a whole or just doctors?
Yes, Any doctor who has the belief that non-doctors are simply not smart enough to understand this topic are extremely arrogant. Not smart enough to interpret a scientific paper. Not smart enough to know that a third of studies, that have passed peer review and been published, are fraudulent. Not smart enough to understand statistics. Not smart enough to understand how pharmaceutical companies utilize many tricks to skew, manipulate, and hide data that stand in the way of their billions in profit. Not smart enough to understand what agency capture means and the evidence that it exists. Not smart enough to have read the Twitter Files to understand how Fauci drove the narrative and destroyed any dissenting Voice or opinion. Not smart enough to interpret VAERS data. Any of these beliefs makes a person extremely arrogant. As you have implied, most doctors hold these beliefs, ergo…
To be honest, you sound extremely arrogant as well. I’ve never studied medicine in school so I must also be a “layperson”. Never mind my advanced degrees, long career in tech, and decade of experience investing in early stage bio Pharma. I’m sorry but the average doctor is a half-wit compared to this layperson.
I rarely make generalizations, unless the preponderance of my person experiences warrants it. It is interesting that you ask this since you yourself are suggesting that doctors hold all non-doctors (the rest of humanity) in quite low regard.
You misinterpret me in an extreme manner. Saying that a bright person close to a process will understand that process better than a bright person more removed from that process doesn’t strike me as arrogant(obviously there can be the rare exception).
as for the vaers data it appears that doctors are interpreting the data in the way it is intend as described in the vaers website itself.
Most doctors i know are quite suspicious of pharma motives.l, hence the clinical trials registry.
Finally, saying that the average doctor is a half-wit compared to you strikes me as the height of arrogance. Such an attitude would likely lead to negative interactions,
This is what the age of the ‘wrecked immune system’ looks like. Record low hospitalizations.
All the sick people who came out of that conference. It is stunning. A large number of symptomatic cases and 99% were vaxxed. Please help me reconcile the outcome for those attendees with my personal situation. I am unvaccinated and in the last 1,173 days, I have been sick for 2 of those days.
When looking at what happened at the CDC meeting and then assessing my last 1,173 days, I am perplexed. Is the result typical for them AND me ? Why all these sick vaxxed people ?
WTF is going on with the heavily vaxxed compared to the unvaxxed ? Why do you consider the outcome of the CDC meeting as normal and acceptable ?
From your post, it's obvious you attended the conference for 3 days, and your supercharged immune system protected you, right?
1800 people went to an indoor conference for 3 days, and 181 wound up with a cold after it... that's the definition of life-back-to-normal. None of them had any more than mild symptoms, and none are hospitalized.
So the breakthrough rate of Omicron in this vaccinated cohort, who gave it every chance to spread, is about 10% with no severe cases, no hospitalizations and no deaths. This is not "acceptable"; it's great news. The pandemic's over.
Yes, Any doctor who has the belief that non-doctors are simply not smart enough to understand this topic are extremely arrogant. Not smart enough to interpret a scientific paper. Not smart enough to know that a third of studies, that have passed peer review and been published, are fraudulent. Not smart enough to understand statistics. Not smart enough to understand how pharmaceutical companies utilize many tricks to skew, manipulate, and hide data that stand in the way of their billions in profit. Not smart enough to understand what agency capture means and the evidence that it exists. Not smart enough to have read the Twitter Files to understand how Fauci drove the narrative and destroyed any dissenting Voice or opinion. Not smart enough to interpret VAERS data. Any of these beliefs makes a person extremely arrogant. As you have implied, most doctors hold these beliefs, ergo…
To be honest, you sound extremely arrogant as well. I’ve never studied medicine in school so I must also be a “layperson”. Never mind my advanced degrees, long career in tech, and decade of experience investing in early stage bio Pharma. I’m sorry but the average doctor is a half-wit compared to this layperson.
I rarely make generalizations, unless the preponderance of my person experiences warrants it. It is interesting that you ask this since you yourself are suggesting that doctors hold all non-doctors (the rest of humanity) in quite low regard.
You misinterpret me in an extreme manner. Saying that a bright person close to a process will understand that process better than a bright person more removed from that process doesn’t strike me as arrogant(obviously there can be the rare exception).
as for the vaers data it appears that doctors are interpreting the data in the way it is intend as described in the vaers website itself.
Most doctors i know are quite suspicious of pharma motives.l, hence the clinical trials registry.
Finally, saying that the average doctor is a half-wit compared to you strikes me as the height of arrogance. Such an attitude would likely lead to negative interactions,
I would bet half of the doctors in the US don't even know what VAERS is. And as for being closer to the process, is that what a single day of immunology coverage during medical school during which they review the CDC's vaccine schedule and not much else gives a person?
For many, this period of medical tyranny has resulted in a change in attitudes towards doctors. They use to be revered and never questioned. Now, they are simply advisors who can help order some tests. Personally, I now always get at least two opinions.
You misinterpret me in an extreme manner. Saying that a bright person close to a process will understand that process better than a bright person more removed from that process doesn’t strike me as arrogant(obviously there can be the rare exception).
as for the vaers data it appears that doctors are interpreting the data in the way it is intend as described in the vaers website itself.
Most doctors i know are quite suspicious of pharma motives.l, hence the clinical trials registry.
Finally, saying that the average doctor is a half-wit compared to you strikes me as the height of arrogance. Such an attitude would likely lead to negative interactions,
I would bet half of the doctors in the US don't even know what VAERS is. And as for being closer to the process, is that what a single day of immunology coverage during medical school during which they review the CDC's vaccine schedule and not much else gives a person?
For many, this period of medical tyranny has resulted in a change in attitudes towards doctors. They use to be revered and never questioned. Now, they are simply advisors who can help order some tests. Personally, I now always get at least two opinions.
For example, about 3 years ago the bursa sacs on my elbows both filled so that I had what looked like golf balls under the skin. Naturally, I went to a doctor. After a few minute he told me the only solution was surgery. That he had to remove the bursa sacs otherwise the problem would just come back. I thought, that sounds wrong... that sounds like a nonsensical solution. And, I thought, this surgeon must only have a single tool in his toolbox. So, I went a second doctor and got exactly the same opinion. Both doctors were very confident in their opinions. Unconvinced I took to the entertainers on the internet to look for other solutions and found that they could easily be drained with a syringe. So, I ordered a couple online and drained them myself. 3 years later, not a single issue. I have a dozen experiences like this.