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Rocky Mountain posted their Hoka 2 mile results, but then pulled them down and added an altitude conversion.
Altitude converted here:
https://hokapostalnationals.runnerspace.com/gprofile.php?mgroup_id=46034&do=title&title_id=842&t=4220&s=Boys&pn_year=2024
Normal here:
https://hokapostalnationals.runnerspace.com/gprofile.php?mgroup_id=46034&do=title&title_id=842&t=4224&s=Boys&pn_year=202420 -
hokahokahoka wrote:
Rocky Mountain posted their Hoka 2 mile results, but then pulled them down and added an altitude conversion.Altitude converted here:
Normal here:
2600 feet is NOT a 10+ second conversion for a 3200.
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Imma give this like a 195 since it’s the SW
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What happens when a guy races below sea level then….
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trunner* wrote:
hokahokahoka wrote:
Rocky Mountain posted their Hoka 2 mile results, but then pulled them down and added an altitude conversion.Altitude converted here:
Normal here:
2600 feet is NOT a 10+ second conversion for a 3200.
It might be worth 10 seconds going from a team time trial in Boise to a big California meet at sea level but as it stands the altitude alone is max 3-4 seconds for the top 4-5 athletes.
I sincerely hope it's HOKA that made that conversion and not the Rocky coaches..
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Why would Hoka edit one team’s times and not delete the previous record? Plus it looks like Michael Majors had his time corrected from the first input.
The Rocky Mountain coaches are submitting times with very generous altitude conversions to be better by three spots on rankings and were dumb enough to upload the correct times the first time and not delete the first upload. It will be interesting to see if they put the correct times or adjusted times on Athletic.net.
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trunner* wrote:
hokahokahoka wrote:
Rocky Mountain posted their Hoka 2 mile results, but then pulled them down and added an altitude conversion.Altitude converted here:
Normal here:
2600 feet is NOT a 10+ second conversion for a 3200.
In all fairness, I put it into the Final Surge calculator and it spat out a 10 second conversion for the top guys.
We all know that that is not true, and the Rocky coaches probably do as well, but I'd take those numbers too if I were in their shoes. The only problem I really have would be if HOKA doesn't allow altitude conversions
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Don't Diss the Greats wrote:
trunner* wrote:
2600 feet is NOT a 10+ second conversion for a 3200.
In all fairness, I put it into the Final Surge calculator and it spat out a 10 second conversion for the top guys.
We all know that that is not true, and the Rocky coaches probably do as well, but I'd take those numbers too if I were in their shoes. The only problem I really have would be if HOKA doesn't allow altitude conversions
The final surge calculator is for runners that live and train at sea level. Not for runners that live and train at altitude.
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Tullyavidsupporter wrote:
What happens when a guy races below sea level then….
They drown... Duh!
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Utah sections wrote:
Herriman was missing ManwaringAmerican Fork and Herriman boys win their sections
Do we know why Manwaring was missing? Is he injured or just withheld from this race for whatever reason?
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trunner* wrote:
Don't Diss the Greats wrote:
In all fairness, I put it into the Final Surge calculator and it spat out a 10 second conversion for the top guys.
We all know that that is not true, and the Rocky coaches probably do as well, but I'd take those numbers too if I were in their shoes. The only problem I really have would be if HOKA doesn't allow altitude conversions
The final surge calculator is for runners that live and train at sea level. Not for runners that live and train at altitude.
2600 feet is also below the threshold for NCAA altitude conversion (3000 ft)
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123 please kill me wrote:
Utah sections wrote:
Herriman was missing ManwaringAmerican Fork and Herriman boys win their sections
Do we know why Manwaring was missing? Is he injured or just withheld from this race for whatever reason?
He is doing fine and will run at state and beyond.
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Don\'t Diss the Greats wrote:
trunner* wrote:
2600 feet is NOT a 10+ second conversion for a 3200.
In all fairness, I put it into the Final Surge calculator and it spat out a 10 second conversion for the top guys.
We all know that that is not true, and the Rocky coaches probably do as well, but I'd take those numbers too if I were in their shoes. The only problem I really have would be if HOKA doesn't allow altitude conversions
The only conversion allowed is 3200m to 2 miles.
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Beckman CA and Jesuit CA are #5 and 7 in the country in these rankings.
Southlake Carroll and Austin Vandegrift TX 4 and 6
5 California teams in the top 30
https://dyestatxcrankings.runnerspace.com/gprofile.php?mgroup_id=46052&do=news&news_id=670028
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Comments2 wrote:
Beckman CA and Jesuit CA are #5 and 7 in the country in these rankings.
Southlake Carroll and Austin Vandegrift TX 4 and 6
5 California teams in the top 30
A bit overrated. It was really a perfect day for the top 3 California teams at Clovis. I don't see them improving their team times by much at the state meet. We talked about it in the California thread, and we felt like repeating and getting 8th and 10th would be a good day at nxn this year (hopefully). The reasoning behind it is that we expect 4 teams SW teams to finish in the top 10 and American Fork will probably be top 5. Also you can't understimate Northwest and South teams. Theres also Belen Jesuit from SE and Christian Brothers NE to watch out for.
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I think they rated them this high because they beat Crater. I don’t think they realized that some of Crater’s #3-5 guys had an off race
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trunner* wrote:
Don't Diss the Greats wrote:
In all fairness, I put it into the Final Surge calculator and it spat out a 10 second conversion for the top guys.
We all know that that is not true, and the Rocky coaches probably do as well, but I'd take those numbers too if I were in their shoes. The only problem I really have would be if HOKA doesn't allow altitude conversions
The final surge calculator is for runners that live and train at sea level. Not for runners that live and train at altitude.
For those whom are disagreeing with me.
"This altitude adjustment Calculator is intended to correct race times of non-altitude trained runners who compete at elevations between 1500 and 8000 feet above sea level in races that lasting 75 seconds or longer."
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They look super wrote:
no they dont wrote:
no they don’t, maybe on a flat course like woodbridge, but if anything, on a real xc course like clovis, they make cornering harder enough to outweigh any minor speed increase. not to say that they aren’t super useful, after the race your legs are so much fresher, that if you were doing CA State and then nxn a week later, you would be foolish not to wear a super shoe.
3 of those 4 have super shoes. I glanced at photos and most kids are wearing them, including the top two girls. I'm not trying to take away from great efforts. Just being realistic.
You can see the two beckman runners keeping their eyes on the crater runner in this photo. Getting 3rd at Woodbridge put a target on their back in the Clovis race.
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https://live.athletic.net/meets/40102/events/xc/1513665
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https://milesplit.live/meets/639831Robert MechuraSean Fries
http://tullyrunners.com/XC2024/Ratings_Oct12.htm#Lake20
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