I should have realised - this is another "stolen election/voter fraud" thread.
I should have realised - this is another "stolen election/voter fraud" thread.
I didn't see all of Tobin's testimony, but what I saw was powerful. And if I understand it correctly, it's asking all of us to radically rethink what we THOUGHT we saw.
In the extended portion that I saw, he argued that what killed George Floyd was NOT Chauvin's knee on GF's neck. It was Chauvin's and Keung's knees on Floyd's back and shoulder and the way in which those men drove Floyd's handcuffed hands into his back.
It was those things in combination with the immovable blacktop, NOT Chauvin's knee on Floyd's neck, that made it impossible for Floyd to breathe, decreasing his lung function to the point where one of his lungs was in effect shut off.
Is that right? That argument about the killing effect of radically decreased lung function was clearly Tobin's main point. I didn't see him say anything about Chauvin's knee on Floyd's neck and how, if at all, that contributed an additional deadly factor.
Would somebody please post the portion of Tobin's testimony where he addresses Chauvin's knee on Floyd's neck?
I assume he did testify about that, but I didn't see it. What we can't allow to go unremarked, though, is that the core of his argument, which was about decreased lung function as the primary mechanism through which Floyd's life was brought to an end, bears no relations to what ANYBODY was outraged by when they rioted last summer. Everybody was sure that Floyd's had been killed by Chauvin's knee. But perhaps they were all wrong about that. Certainly what I saw of Tobin suggests that they were. Which means that we can't simply "believe our eyes," as people would have us do. We need to pause, take a moment, and listen to the experts--people like Tobin who, as Armstronglivs has said, really know what they're talking about.
Armstronglivs wrote:
Not all areas are the same wrote:
You are so funny when you can't defend yourself with facts!
None of you produce any. You are all just breaking wind.
So no other posters ever produce any facts, really?
Armstronglivs wrote:
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Which of those questions are not valid? What is wrong with questioning a world leading specialist? They should be happy to help explain and clarify their opinions and findings.
He did so - in court - including cross examination by the defence. They couldn't dent his findings. A clear win for the prosecution - except amongst the white supremacists on this thread, of whom none are on the jury.
I would be interested to see that, and sorry i didnt.
However i suspect that because they dont know exactly what he is going to say in court, they will use their own witneses later to dispute anything.
Jesus! An engineer thinks he knows more about pulmonary physiology than a person who has made his career out of that specialty and is an acknowledged international expert. You have completely discredited your own occupation.
and no, i have never said this. i have said that he has shown mistakes in areas i am possibly competent in (ish, lol), and i have questioned a lot of the stuff he has said in his field, but you cannot discredit me or my occupation by making up events to fit your agenda. that discredits you as a claimed lawyer.
Boom. another headshot.
Not all areas are the same wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
None of you produce any. You are all just breaking wind.
So no other posters ever produce any facts, really?
Here are some facts for you.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/04/09/derek-chauvin-trial/The trial of Derek Chauvin continued Friday with Lindsey Thomas, a consulting forensic pathologist in Minneapolis, testifying that George Floyd’s death was “due to the activities of law enforcement officers,” specifically from the restraint and neck compression administered to the 46-year-old. Thomas, who ruled out that drug overdose was a cause of Floyd’s death, added, “This was not a sudden death.”
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Chauvin is done.
pupil3142 wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
He did so - in court - including cross examination by the defence. They couldn't dent his findings. A clear win for the prosecution - except amongst the white supremacists on this thread, of whom none are on the jury.
I would be interested to see that, and sorry i didnt.
However i suspect that because they dont know exactly what he is going to say in court, they will use their own witneses later to dispute anything.
Jesus! An engineer thinks he knows more about pulmonary physiology than a person who has made his career out of that specialty and is an acknowledged international expert. You have completely discredited your own occupation.
and no, i have never said this. i have said that he has shown mistakes in areas i am possibly competent in (ish, lol), and i have questioned a lot of the stuff he has said in his field, but you cannot discredit me or my occupation by making up events to fit your agenda. that discredits you as a claimed lawyer.
Boom. another headshot.
Dont you mean knee on the neck?
Medical examiner testifies that without the presence of police, with the enlarged heart and blocked arteries, she would have concluded the cause of death was heart disease.
Chauvin walks.....
Assuming the jury is not biased, this has gone well for the pig Chauvin so far. Cue the riots.
no replies to my questions.....reasonable doubt
Chauvin's knee was on his neck AT LEAST 90% of the time he knelt on him. trumpettes using lies to try and make their argument is a sure sign they have nothing to stand on, but we knew that lready
"After analyzing videos of the arrest, Dr. Tobin said he determined that Mr. Chauvin had pressed his left knee on Mr. Floyd’s neck for more than 90 percent of the time that Mr. Floyd was on the ground, and that he had kept his right knee on Mr. Floyd’s back for a majority of the time as well. That pressure, combined with having his hands cuffed behind his back and pushed into the street facedown, had cut off oxygen and caused his heart to stop, Dr. Tobin said."
Chauvin is why Floyd is dead, and it couldn't be more obvious.
Why they are still talking about it????
Dr. Baker's testimony is absolutely damning for the prosecution. He testified that the combination of stress from the arrest and George Floyd's underlying heart conditions that caused the cardiopulmonary arrest. He also said that the drugs in his system played a role in his death, per the autopsy report. It will be interesting what he has to say during the defense's cross.
He also cleared up for all the dumdums that think since he classified Floyd's death as "homicide" that means that Floyd was murdered. "Homicide" in the medical sense just means that another person was involved in the death but not necessarily the substantial cause, hence the other contributing causes listed.
Armstronglivs wrote:
Not all areas are the same wrote:
So no other posters ever produce any facts, really?
Here are some facts for you.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/04/09/derek-chauvin-trial/The trial of Derek Chauvin continued Friday with Lindsey Thomas, a consulting forensic pathologist in Minneapolis, testifying that George Floyd’s death was “due to the activities of law enforcement officers,” specifically from the restraint and neck compression administered to the 46-year-old. Thomas, who ruled out that drug overdose was a cause of Floyd’s death, added, “This was not a sudden death.”
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Chauvin is done.
Done and burnt. Just minutes ago the medical examiner stated: No pill or pill fragments found in Floyd’s stomach during autopsy.
George Floyd forced his way into a woman's home and pointed a gun at her stomach. Jacob Blake was wanted for domestic abuse and was terrorizing a woman when the cops were called.
In the Me Too era it's odd how the left is making martyrs out of violent men who prey on women.
The medical examiner did not point to asphyxia, however, in a contrast to other medical experts who spoke this week. Baker said that in his opinion, Chauvin’s knee would not “anatomically cut off Mr. Floyd’s airway.”
The medical examiner said he would expect to see bruising from force to Floyd’s neck sufficient for asphyxiation — “but I don’t know that the lack of bruising excludes that,” he said. He also did not report apparent brain damage from asphyxia but noted that in many cases a victim dies too quickly for it to show up
Baker said Floyd displayed what could be a “fatal” level of fentanyl, but he emphasized that drug concentrations are very “context dependent” and need to be interpreted with other circumstances.
He said his conversations with local prosecutors about the drug findings “almost certainly went something like this: Had Mr. Floyd been home alone in his locked residence with no evidence of trauma and the only autopsy finding was that fentanyl level, then, yes, I would certify his death was due to fentanyl toxicity.
Baker explained that from the images it appears that Chauvin’s knee was primarily on the back or the side of Floyd’s neck and that this position would not have been able to obstruct the artery, adding that even if it had done so, the second, unobstructed artery would have been able to supply blood to the brain.
The left didn't make George Floyd into a martyr - public "servants" did.
i think the above and other posts are sufficient to show that armstronglivs is a race baitor, racist, anti american, despicable human.
I therefore find it unpreductive to respond to his posts and will therefore ignore his posts unless he shows he is no longer racist and anti american.
pupil3142 wrote:
i think the above and other posts are sufficient to show that armstronglivs is a race baitor, racist, anti american, despicable human.
I therefore find it unpreductive to respond to his posts and will therefore ignore his posts unless he shows he is no longer racist and anti american.
Armstronlivs can suck my black bozak.
KudzuRunner wrote:
I didn't see all of Tobin's testimony, but what I saw was powerful. And if I understand it correctly, it's asking all of us to radically rethink what we THOUGHT we saw.
In the extended portion that I saw, he argued that what killed George Floyd was NOT Chauvin's knee on GF's neck. It was Chauvin's and Keung's knees on Floyd's back and shoulder and the way in which those men drove Floyd's handcuffed hands into his back.
It was those things in combination with the immovable blacktop, NOT Chauvin's knee on Floyd's neck, that made it impossible for Floyd to breathe, decreasing his lung function to the point where one of his lungs was in effect shut off.
It seems like a bad sign for the prosecution that they can't really decide on a specific cause of death. To prove a murder beyond a reasonable doubt, the cause of death should have to be pretty obvious.
pupil3142 wrote:
i think the above and other posts are sufficient to show that armstronglivs is a race baitor, racist, anti american, despicable human.
I therefore find it unpreductive to respond to his posts and will therefore ignore his posts unless he shows he is no longer racist and anti american.
It’s an anonymous message board and many people from all over the political spectrum probably type exaggerated things they don’t really mean and probably aren’t the jerks they can appear to be. But even taking that into account, Armstrong sticks out prominently here as a truly awful, hateful, and bitter person.