There is even less evidence the country wants to do anything with the war. Out of the 100+ Germans, Swiss Austrians, Hungarians, Italians, Polish, Slovenians, Czech that I speak to perhaps 2 have your mindset
Because American warmongers do not understand that people in Europe want peace. Most people I know can't hear demands of Zelensky no more.
I would prefer you were correct in English before we try any other languages. But, you'll long since be gone from LRC before that happens.
So just like I assumed, you only speak trailer park english. Then what the hell can you know about Ukraine :) American state media is as good as it gets for you.
Any other "expert" here speaking anything but english? Is here even a single person that speaks ukrainian and/or russian?
I know plenty about Ukraine, and if you think I get more than a sliver of my news from "American state media" you're wrong. Again.
Just because you listen to Margarita Simonyan live on RT every day doesn't make you "informed", it makes you a pro-Russian buffoon.
There is even less evidence the country wants to do anything with the war. Out of the 100+ Germans, Swiss Austrians, Hungarians, Italians, Polish, Slovenians, Czech that I speak to perhaps 2 have your mindset
Because American warmongers do not understand that people in Europe want peace. Most people I know can't hear demands of Zelensky no more.
We've covered this. Your two Russian friends aren't representative of "most people". Numerous polls of European countries have shown overwhelming support for Ukraine.
Wrong again. I would expect nothing less from you.
There's no evidence that the "majority" of the country wants nothing to do with the war. There *may* be a vote on the initiative if the right-wing Swiss People's Party collects enough signatures to force a vote (they have more than year to do so).
There is even less evidence the country wants to do anything with the war. Out of the 100+ Germans, Swiss Austrians, Hungarians, Italians, Polish, Slovenians, Czech that I speak to perhaps 2 have your mindset
Strange. Out of the 100+ Dutch, Swiss, German, French, English, Ukrainian, Chinese, Nigerians, and Italians that I speak to each week, the overwhelming majority favor continued support for Ukraine. Maybe you just have sh!tty friends.
I know plenty about Ukraine, and if you think I get more than a sliver of my news from "American state media" you're wrong. Again.
Just because you listen to Margarita Simonyan live on RT every day doesn't make you "informed", it makes you a pro-Russian buffoon.
Oh yeah? You're about to be exposed buddy. I say you consume mostly US state media with occasional wikipedia articles, which are compiled from.... surprise surprise... US state media articles :)
Since you don't speak any languages but english, what can you be reading? British articles? Indian newspapers?
How are you supposed to know then that Arsen Avakov has told in the interview, that the Maidan shooters where a non-Ukrainian third party? How are you supposed to know that Donbas tried to split away several times already?
All you can know is how many HIMARS are being sent to Ukraine.
Strange. Out of the 100+ Dutch, Swiss, German, French, English, Ukrainian, Chinese, Nigerians, and Italians that I speak to each week, the overwhelming majority favor continued support for Ukraine. Maybe you just have sh!tty friends.
You have no friends. How do I know? You spent Christmas here on this forum :)
There is even less evidence the country wants to do anything with the war. Out of the 100+ Germans, Swiss Austrians, Hungarians, Italians, Polish, Slovenians, Czech that I speak to perhaps 2 have your mindset
Strange. Out of the 100+ Dutch, Swiss, German, French, English, Ukrainian, Chinese, Nigerians, and Italians that I speak to each week, the overwhelming majority favor continued support for Ukraine. Maybe you just have sh!tty friends.
No, even the Ukrainians I know want this to end now. Just getting worse for them.
After videos surfaced of protesters in eastern Germany berating Ukrainian refugees, the mayor of Leipzig decried the images from the scene as "unbearable."
I know plenty about Ukraine, and if you think I get more than a sliver of my news from "American state media" you're wrong. Again.
Just because you listen to Margarita Simonyan live on RT every day doesn't make you "informed", it makes you a pro-Russian buffoon.
Oh yeah? You're about to be exposed buddy. I say you consume mostly US state media with occasional wikipedia articles, which are compiled from.... surprise surprise... US state media articles :)
Since you don't speak any languages but english, what can you be reading? British articles? Indian newspapers?
How are you supposed to know then that Arsen Avakov has told in the interview, that the Maidan shooters where a non-Ukrainian third party? How are you supposed to know that Donbas tried to split away several times already?
All you can know is how many HIMARS are being sent to Ukraine.
And... again you would be wrong. I would think you would eventually stop making wild-a** guesses that are all wrong, but, nope. Give a pro-Kremlin troll a shovel and all they can do is dig their own grave. Kinda like a mobik.
Since I know people that were at the Maidan protests, I can have a pretty good idea what the sentiment was. I find that speaking personally with people that were there (in Englsh even!) is a much better way to gain insight than to listen to some politician talk to the media about something that they heard from a friend of a friend of their mom's brother's friend's cousin that SWEARS it happened.
I know that there are ideological differences between eastern and western Ukraine. I also know the Ukrainian constitution doesn't allow regions to just leave Ukraine. Since you are so keen on possible constitutional changes in Switzerland to enforce their neutrality, then you must also support the Ukrainian constitution that only allows regions to secede if they obtain a majority in a nationwide vote, which neither Crimea, nor the Donbas have done.
And... again you would be wrong. I would think you would eventually stop making wild-a** guesses that are all wrong, but, nope. Give a pro-Kremlin troll a shovel and all they can do is dig their own grave. Kinda like a mobik.
Since I know people that were at the Maidan protests, I can have a pretty good idea what the sentiment was. I find that speaking personally with people that were there (in Englsh even!) is a much better way to gain insight than to listen to some politician talk to the media about something that they heard from a friend of a friend of their mom's brother's friend's cousin that SWEARS it happened.
I know that there are ideological differences between eastern and western Ukraine. I also know the Ukrainian constitution doesn't allow regions to just leave Ukraine. Since you are so keen on possible constitutional changes in Switzerland to enforce their neutrality, then you must also support the Ukrainian constitution that only allows regions to secede if they obtain a majority in a nationwide vote, which neither Crimea, nor the Donbas have done.
Oh yeah, your imaginary family in Ukraine. Did they tell you that Donbas and Crimea did not participate in 2014 presidential elections?
Would they not say that it is kind of impossible to have pro NATO / EU and pro-Russia regions in the same country?
You don't know anyone from Donbas buddy and therefore it's hard to take you seriously in this discussion. My immediate family comes from Donetsk where they saw who's soldiers hit which targets. Your EU flag-waiving Kievlans have no idea about what's happening in Donbas.
I would prefer you were correct in English before we try any other languages. But, you'll long since be gone from LRC before that happens.
So just like I assumed, you only speak trailer park english. Then what the hell can you know about Ukraine :) American state media is as good as it gets for you.
Any other "expert" here speaking anything but english? Is here even a single person that speaks ukrainian and/or russian?
You're on an American running message board pretending to be a European, while never posting a single thing about running. In fact, I've never seen you post a single thing that wasn't pro-putin and/or anti-american.
Being a multilingual sock puppet isn't the win you seem to think it is.
You're on an American running message board pretending to be a European, while never posting a single thing about running. In fact, I've never seen you post a single thing that wasn't pro-putin and/or anti-american.
Being a multilingual sock puppet isn't the win you seem to think it is.
What now? I have posted over a thousand posts here about running, mostly from other handles, but surely over a hundred even as Lollys Master. Recently in the Jakob vs Mbappe thread. I also was the one to predict that Centro will bomb in Tokyo. Even called out all the people who said Centro will medal in a separate thread :)
No matter how you twist it, speaking 5 languages qualifies me much more to be a part of this topic than you, consuming US state media exclusively.
You're on an American running message board pretending to be a European, while never posting a single thing about running. In fact, I've never seen you post a single thing that wasn't pro-putin and/or anti-american.
Being a multilingual sock puppet isn't the win you seem to think it is.
What now? I have posted over a thousand posts here about running, mostly from other handles, but surely over a hundred even as Lollys Master. Recently in the Jakob vs Mbappe thread. I also was the one to predict that Centro will bomb in Tokyo. Even called out all the people who said Centro will medal in a separate thread :)
No matter how you twist it, speaking 5 languages qualifies me much more to be a part of this topic than you, consuming US state media exclusively.
Speaking 5 languages doesn't have any impact of your qualifications to have an opinion about this issue.
Being a person who relies exclusively on conspiratorial thinking and nihilism to analyze the situation, make you rather useless in this thread.
And... again you would be wrong. I would think you would eventually stop making wild-a** guesses that are all wrong, but, nope. Give a pro-Kremlin troll a shovel and all they can do is dig their own grave. Kinda like a mobik.
Since I know people that were at the Maidan protests, I can have a pretty good idea what the sentiment was. I find that speaking personally with people that were there (in Englsh even!) is a much better way to gain insight than to listen to some politician talk to the media about something that they heard from a friend of a friend of their mom's brother's friend's cousin that SWEARS it happened.
I know that there are ideological differences between eastern and western Ukraine. I also know the Ukrainian constitution doesn't allow regions to just leave Ukraine. Since you are so keen on possible constitutional changes in Switzerland to enforce their neutrality, then you must also support the Ukrainian constitution that only allows regions to secede if they obtain a majority in a nationwide vote, which neither Crimea, nor the Donbas have done.
Oh yeah, your imaginary family in Ukraine. Did they tell you that Donbas and Crimea did not participate in 2014 presidential elections?
Would they not say that it is kind of impossible to have pro NATO / EU and pro-Russia regions in the same country?
You don't know anyone from Donbas buddy and therefore it's hard to take you seriously in this discussion. My immediate family comes from Donetsk where they saw who's soldiers hit which targets. Your EU flag-waiving Kievlans have no idea about what's happening in Donbas.
Of course it's possible to have pro NATO / EU and pro-Russian regions in the same country. Is it possible to have pro-neutralitity and pro-interventionists in Switzerland? Or should we start splitting up Switzerland by language?
Crimea did not participate because they were annexed by Russia (one can hardly blame Ukraine for that) - otherwise they would have been able to. In fact, Crimean citizens that retained their Ukrainian citizenship were able to vote elsewhere in Ukraine. In the Donbas, it was largely the actions of the LNR and DNR forces that prevented elections from being held - and some areas of Donetsk did hold elections with more than 50% of the eligible voters voting.
Again, your propensity to say idiotic things in your fifth language is not evidence of being intelligent.
Speaking 5 languages doesn't have any impact of your qualifications to have an opinion about this issue.
Being a person who relies exclusively on conspiratorial thinking and nihilism to analyze the situation, make you rather useless in this thread.
So you quietly omitted that you are wrong about me not posting in running related threads and now you somehow are trying to twist that it's not good to be speaking ukrainian, russian, french and german when it comes to a topic that involves Ukraine, Russia, NATO and the EU.
Has it ever crossed your mind, that maybe my "conspiratorial and nihilistic" thinking comes from the ability to communicate in these different languages and therefore realizing, that every government lies to it's citizens? Whether it be Russia or the US, or Ukraine, or Germany, or even Switzerland?
Reading about Donbas daily in pro-Western and pro-Russian sources and comparing them makes me realize that both sides are lying.
Now you reading US state media about how many HIMARS the US is sending to defeat evil Russians is not really insight, is it?
Of course it's possible to have pro NATO / EU and pro-Russian regions in the same country. Is it possible to have pro-neutralitity and pro-interventionists in Switzerland? Or should we start splitting up Switzerland by language?
Crimea did not participate because they were annexed by Russia (one can hardly blame Ukraine for that) - otherwise they would have been able to. In fact, Crimean citizens that retained their Ukrainian citizenship were able to vote elsewhere in Ukraine. In the Donbas, it was largely the actions of the LNR and DNR forces that prevented elections from being held - and some areas of Donetsk did hold elections with more than 50% of the eligible voters voting.
Again, your propensity to say idiotic things in your fifth language is not evidence of being intelligent.
Of course it's not. Those are two absolutely opposite ideologies and this war as well as Donbas wanting to split away for decades is the proof of that. NATO literally treated Russia as it's enemy for many years now, so I don't see how pro-NATO and pro-Russia people can live together. Source? Ukrainian family cursing Kiev regime for as long as I can remember.
Awesomely convenient: Crimea is Ukraine, but somehow the election where Crimea did not participate is... legal? Same goes for Donbas. Ukrainian citizens armed and preventing elections from being held is a clear sign of Ukraine not being homogenous. Kiev is trying for years to exterminate those armed citizens of Donbas, but this is rather genocide and not a political solution.
You being ignorant about the topic, because you know only one language which is also not the language of conflicting parties is just ridiculous.
One more time: you know nothing about Donbas. So what is it that you want to discuss?
Of course it's possible to have pro NATO / EU and pro-Russian regions in the same country. Is it possible to have pro-neutralitity and pro-interventionists in Switzerland? Or should we start splitting up Switzerland by language?
Crimea did not participate because they were annexed by Russia (one can hardly blame Ukraine for that) - otherwise they would have been able to. In fact, Crimean citizens that retained their Ukrainian citizenship were able to vote elsewhere in Ukraine. In the Donbas, it was largely the actions of the LNR and DNR forces that prevented elections from being held - and some areas of Donetsk did hold elections with more than 50% of the eligible voters voting.
Again, your propensity to say idiotic things in your fifth language is not evidence of being intelligent.
Of course it's not. Those are two absolutely opposite ideologies and this war as well as Donbas wanting to split away for decades is the proof of that. NATO literally treated Russia as it's enemy for many years now, so I don't see how pro-NATO and pro-Russia people can live together. Source? Ukrainian family cursing Kiev regime for as long as I can remember.
Awesomely convenient: Crimea is Ukraine, but somehow the election where Crimea did not participate is... legal? Same goes for Donbas. Ukrainian citizens armed and preventing elections from being held is a clear sign of Ukraine not being homogenous. Kiev is trying for years to exterminate those armed citizens of Donbas, but this is rather genocide and not a political solution.
You being ignorant about the topic, because you know only one language which is also not the language of conflicting parties is just ridiculous.
One more time: you know nothing about Donbas. So what is it that you want to discuss?
I’ve forgotten more about Donbas than your pro-Soviet mommy and daddy ever knew. Mostly because they were f*cking human scum that produced an absolute waste of human garbage for a child.
One more time: your ability to be an idiot in multiple languages just provides more evidence of your stupidity.
Has it ever crossed your mind, that maybe my "conspiratorial and nihilistic" thinking comes from the ability to communicate in these different languages and therefore realizing, that every government lies to it's citizens?
Nope. It just comes off as regurgitating Putin's worldview. You've never posted a single thing that hinted at you having an expansive perspective. You referring to everything in English as "US state media" confirms your status as a putin sock puppet.
Lolly's Master, you spent the last 11 months spouting on about "Swiss neutrality." Then, someone posts ten articles from Swiss media outlets that clearly show Switzerland is assisting Ukraine to defeat Russia.
Now you say Swiss neutrality is now dependent on gaining 100,000 signatures and an election.
You represent a minority position in Switzerland. Switzerland is actually providing Ukraine with all kinds of support.
Russia is going down. It's happening. It's begun. 50 plus nations are assisting Ukraine, including Switzerland and the USA, to weaken and eventually topple Russia's government.
Russia views Switzerland as an enemy, a Western nation, and definitely not neutral.
