Official Russia vs Ukraine War Thread

Lollys Master wrote:

agip wrote:

probably the smart move was to let Russia invade and take over Ukraine without trying to stop them. Militaristic dictators bent on territorial expansion usually back off and stop invading nations when their foes act scared and weak. That's just what history shows.

/sarcasm

The US outsmarted Russia. They convinced West-Ukrainians to fight East-Ukrainians and Russians, provided them with weapons and will end up with zero US casualties.

Which is fine by me, wars always are dirty. What's nauseating is pretending that this is about democracy or some other politically correct bs.

agip wrote:

Some stories about Wagner units in the field publicly turning against some elements of the RU government...So putin may have to make that classic mob boss decision...when someone challenges your authority to you kill him immediately or co-opt him and bring him in as a partner.

An angry, armed and trained Wagner group is exactly Putin's biggest fear. Keep an eye out for RU units pulled back from the front to defend moscow. They'll call it something else, but if that happens, look out.

Of course Wagner taking over the RU nuclear weapons is....bloody terrifying.

Lollys Master wrote:

m y 2 c wrote:

Preventing a government that came to power in a fair and democratic election in 2019 from being replaced by force by an invader has everything to do with democracy, you nitwit.

War started in 2014 when a democratically elected president was overthrown by the US, you moran. Therefore it's the opposite of democracy.

Lollys Master wrote:

GoodGollyMissLolly wrote:

Russia could have avoided being decimated by marching there pathetic a**es back to Russia. It was their choice to be decimated. The US just facilitated their decision.

Maybe Russia would be interested in sending some Wagner mercenaries to Switzerland to denazify that racist sh*thole of a country? See, I can post ridiculous hypotheticals too.

#RussiaSucksAndSoDoYou

Your hate towards Russia is remarkable. The fact that you where here during Christmas holidays (I checked a few previous pages out of curiosity) shows a very Russia-centric life. Kinda sad. The very nation you despise so much lives in your head rent free even on Christmas.

#PutinOfYourDreams

GoodGollyMissLolly wrote:

Yup. Exactly. They thought Yanukovych was going to be more pro-European, but he bowed to pressure from Moscow to align with Russia (probably because it would be incredibly lucrative for himself). When average Ukrainians saw how disastrous this deal was going to be for themselves, they revolted. He ran back to Russia, setting a precedent for the Russian military that lives on to this day.

GoodGollyMissLolly wrote:

Nah, listening to the morons here (you, Carmine, and a few others) is comedy gold. There may be no better way to start the day than watching Russian Nazis get turned into fertilizer in some field when their 60 year old tank gets blown to bits, while sipping my tea surrounded by family at the lake. Hope those Russian families thank Putin directly for the Christmas gift of their husbands never coming home (they’re probably abusive alcoholics, so no real loss).

Lollys Master wrote:

agip wrote:

probably the smart move was to let Russia invade and take over Ukraine without trying to stop them. Militaristic dictators bent on territorial expansion usually back off and stop invading nations when their foes act scared and weak. That's just what history shows.

/sarcasm

The US outsmarted Russia. They convinced West-Ukrainians to fight East-Ukrainians and Russians, provided them with weapons and will end up with zero US casualties.

Which is fine by me, wars always are dirty. What's nauseating is pretending that this is about democracy or some other politically correct bs.

Monkeys Skyping wrote:

Did it?

Or did it start in 2013 when President Yanukovych refused to sign the EU trade agreement overwhelmingly approved by the even more democratically elected legislature sparking the events leading to his "overthrow"?

Perhaps it started in 2011 when Yanukovych imprisoned his pro-EU political foe Yulia Tymoshenko under trumped up charges in an attempt to stop the EU trade agreement?

agip wrote:

no idea why decades of the US fighting against totalitarianism and in support of democracy reads as a big zero to you, with no meaning on its support of Ukraine.

Weird and ahistorical. But you be you.

Lollys Master wrote:

GoodGollyMissLolly wrote:

Nah, listening to the morons here (you, Carmine, and a few others) is comedy gold. There may be no better way to start the day than watching Russian Nazis get turned into fertilizer in some field when their 60 year old tank gets blown to bits, while sipping my tea surrounded by family at the lake. Hope those Russian families thank Putin directly for the Christmas gift of their husbands never coming home (they’re probably abusive alcoholics, so no real loss).

Lack of empathy for people and such high levels of Schadenfreude are signs of psychopathy. Get some help.

Lollys Master wrote:

agip wrote:

no idea why decades of the US fighting against totalitarianism and in support of democracy reads as a big zero to you, with no meaning on its support of Ukraine.

Weird and ahistorical. But you be you.

Why would the US fight against totalitarianism? Out of their good hearts?

Always ask yourself, cui bono?

GoodGollyMissLolly wrote:

Then East-Ukrainians could have elected somebody that represented their views in any of the subsequent elections (there have been several). The fact that they haven’t - because their views do not represent the majority - is how a democracy works.

But, let’s actually read the article you linked:

So, first Euromaidan. Second, Russia invades Crimea. Third, pro-separatist protests. Fourth, protests over.

Fifth:

So, the whole issue would have been over except Russia continued to instigate.

It’s too bad that snipers didn’t take out every single person that (illegally) entered the capitol on January 6th. They should have then billed their families for the bullet.

GoodGollyMissLolly wrote:

Right, let’s discuss “lack of empathy”.

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Now, who could have said they were okay with the death of more than 100 million Ukrainians as long as they weren’t inconvenienced? Oh, that was you, Lolly.

You’re a giant hypocrite if you are suddenly concerned about “empathy”.

Lollys Master wrote:

GoodGollyMissLolly wrote:

Right, let’s discuss “lack of empathy”.

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Now, who could have said they were okay with the death of more than 100 million Ukrainians as long as they weren’t inconvenienced? Oh, that was you, Lolly.

You’re a giant hypocrite if you are suddenly concerned about “empathy”.

Oh, I do feel bad for them, but they have to fight their own fight and if they fall in the process, it's what they chose to do. As a Swiss, I am not accepting support of either side, even if all of them die.

Now wishing death to either side is sinister and a sure sign of psychopathy.

Lollys Master wrote:

GoodGollyMissLolly wrote:

Right, let’s discuss “lack of empathy”.

10160From post 10160

Now, who could have said they were okay with the death of more than 100 million Ukrainians as long as they weren’t inconvenienced? Oh, that was you, Lolly.

You’re a giant hypocrite if you are suddenly concerned about “empathy”.

Oh, I do feel bad for them, but they have to fight their own fight and if they fall in the process, it's what they chose to do. As a Swiss, I am not accepting support of either side, even if all of them die.

Now wishing death to either side is sinister and a sure sign of psychopathy.

Lollys Master wrote:

GoodGollyMissLolly wrote:

Right, let’s discuss “lack of empathy”.

10160From post 10160

Now, who could have said they were okay with the death of more than 100 million Ukrainians as long as they weren’t inconvenienced? Oh, that was you, Lolly.

You’re a giant hypocrite if you are suddenly concerned about “empathy”.

Oh, I do feel bad for them, but they have to fight their own fight and if they fall in the process, it's what they chose to do. As a Swiss, I am not accepting support of either side, even if all of them die.

Now wishing death to either side is sinister and a sure sign of psychopathy.

Lollys Master wrote:

agip wrote:

no idea why decades of the US fighting against totalitarianism and in support of democracy reads as a big zero to you, with no meaning on its support of Ukraine.

Weird and ahistorical. But you be you.

Why would the US fight against totalitarianism? Out of their good hearts?

Always ask yourself, cui bono?