This thread was deleted by a volunteer moderator. I certainly don't want a thread this big deleted so I've restored. THat being said, this thread has served it's purpose. I've closed it to new posts.
We have a new 2024 vaccine thread here. New people don't need to try to wade through 20,000 posts to figure out what is going on.
Successful people in life aren’t really skeptical of the majority of medical doctors and betting on societal collapse, so usually the anti vax company finds themselves stuck in a circle of a bunch of pessimistic Shtbaggers n’losers
Succesful people by what standards? Yea sure; succesful people don't ask questions about anything and just do what they're being told. If that's succes, thank you for making clear why society is the way it is.
Successful by any standard imaginable. The rare successful ones on the anti vax side would be only the entertainers promoting the garbage on the blogs, YouTube and Rumble. Successful because they’ve managed to get a following and business income from it, but not so successful, because they are (I assume in most cases unknowingly) contributing to the spread of harmful misinformation. The skeptics who feed on these clown entertainers are not simply “asking questions” when they’re coming in with the assumption that “big pharma” is hiding something (they’re not, the data is all public), pharma bad and Fauci bad and it’s all about money and these companies and government are corrupt and in bed with each other and are out to get them. It’s not only totally bogus but it shows a very poor understanding of the extensive process all drugs go through before they’re approved and the independent safety panels involved throughout the whole process. The truth is that it is extraordinarily difficult/next to impossible to get anything approved that’s actually harming people. And if it is or were shown at any time that these things were harming people, they would be pulled immediately. We are now over two years since they came out and there is no real evidence anyone in FDA takes seriously showing the vaccines are harmful. Today the overwhelming majority of medical doctors throughout the world continue to recommend boosters. (The only “evidence” is total junk put together by entertainers to make money off a following of skeptics on conspiracy theorist bogus websites/YouTube channels/Rumble authored by people - very rarely medical doctors by the way- who don’t know how to conduct trials and properly look at data. A bunch of these entertainers used to get banned on media, but now that the public emergency is over it is more OK now under the first amendment for them to be allowed to post the garbage. )
On the other side, I wish some of the vaxxers would stop saying to skeptics to just “trust the science” (that’s insulting as well), and instead learn how to explain to them the significance of the results of the trials published in the NEJM.
Succesful people by what standards? Yea sure; succesful people don't ask questions about anything and just do what they're being told. If that's succes, thank you for making clear why society is the way it is.
Successful by any standard imaginable. The rare successful ones on the anti vax side would be only the entertainers promoting the garbage on the blogs, YouTube and Rumble. Successful because they’ve managed to get a following and business income from it, but not so successful, because they are (I assume in most cases unknowingly) contributing to the spread of harmful misinformation. The skeptics who feed on these clown entertainers are not simply “asking questions” when they’re coming in with the assumption that “big pharma” is hiding something (they’re not, the data is all public), pharma bad and Fauci bad and it’s all about money and these companies and government are corrupt and in bed with each other and are out to get them. It’s not only totally bogus but it shows a very poor understanding of the extensive process all drugs go through before they’re approved and the independent safety panels involved throughout the whole process. The truth is that it is extraordinarily difficult/next to impossible to get anything approved that’s actually harming people. And if it is or were shown at any time that these things were harming people, they would be pulled immediately. We are now over two years since they came out and there is no real evidence anyone in FDA takes seriously showing the vaccines are harmful. Today the overwhelming majority of medical doctors throughout the world continue to recommend boosters. (The only “evidence” is total junk put together by entertainers to make money off a following of skeptics on conspiracy theorist bogus websites/YouTube channels/Rumble authored by people - very rarely medical doctors by the way- who don’t know how to conduct trials and properly look at data. A bunch of these entertainers used to get banned on media, but now that the public emergency is over it is more OK now under the first amendment for them to be allowed to post the garbage. )
On the other side, I wish some of the vaxxers would stop saying to skeptics to just “trust the science” (that’s insulting as well), and instead learn how to explain to them the significance of the results of the trials published in the NEJM.
Lol. I don't expect you to read the 500+ other pages of this thread, because no sane person would do that, but if you've kept up with this thread since its creation, you would know that's exactly what's been happening. Unfortunately, antivaxxers are resistant/immune (lol) to reasoned argument and evidence. How does one cure delusion and the condition of being fact-challenged using lies and deceit, the language of the antivaxxer?
Covid Vax has killed more people in the last 2 years than the total amount of deaths in human history before that from all causes times 10. And no one actually died from covid it was all a hoax. Don't believe me??? Google it. Do your research. The TRUTH is out there!
There is usually a lot of overlap with QAnon, anti-vax, US dollar collapse, crypto adoption, anti govt, anti banks, anti pharma, anti women in leadership, USA civil war is coming and it’s all going downhill, -and apocalypse is coming. A bet that things are doomed and failing. The entertainers promoting “big Pharma” antivax bullsh*t tend to push these other things as well.
There was a time not long ago when the vax mob mafia made incorrect but reasonable arguments while advocating their position. Now they are reduced to parroting "right wing conspiracy theory" and other such banalities.
Very sad. I hope they get the help they need.
I understand you told your medical doctor you did not want the vaccine when he asked, and he was understanding and stayed silent and kept his thoughts to himself. Did he even try to say it was a “right wing conspiracy theory?”
Successful by any standard imaginable. The rare successful ones on the anti vax side would be only the entertainers promoting the garbage on the blogs, YouTube and Rumble. Successful because they’ve managed to get a following and business income from it, but not so successful, because they are (I assume in most cases unknowingly) contributing to the spread of harmful misinformation. The skeptics who feed on these clown entertainers are not simply “asking questions” when they’re coming in with the assumption that “big pharma” is hiding something (they’re not, the data is all public), pharma bad and Fauci bad and it’s all about money and these companies and government are corrupt and in bed with each other and are out to get them. It’s not only totally bogus but it shows a very poor understanding of the extensive process all drugs go through before they’re approved and the independent safety panels involved throughout the whole process. The truth is that it is extraordinarily difficult/next to impossible to get anything approved that’s actually harming people. And if it is or were shown at any time that these things were harming people, they would be pulled immediately. We are now over two years since they came out and there is no real evidence anyone in FDA takes seriously showing the vaccines are harmful. Today the overwhelming majority of medical doctors throughout the world continue to recommend boosters. (The only “evidence” is total junk put together by entertainers to make money off a following of skeptics on conspiracy theorist bogus websites/YouTube channels/Rumble authored by people - very rarely medical doctors by the way- who don’t know how to conduct trials and properly look at data. A bunch of these entertainers used to get banned on media, but now that the public emergency is over it is more OK now under the first amendment for them to be allowed to post the garbage. )
On the other side, I wish some of the vaxxers would stop saying to skeptics to just “trust the science” (that’s insulting as well), and instead learn how to explain to them the significance of the results of the trials published in the NEJM.
Lol. I don't expect you to read the 500+ other pages of this thread, because no sane person would do that, but if you've kept up with this thread since its creation, you would know that's exactly what's been happening. Unfortunately, antivaxxers are resistant/immune (lol) to reasoned argument and evidence. How does one cure delusion and the condition of being fact-challenged using lies and deceit, the language of the antivaxxer?
This is a novel virus that we know nothing about -- but we do know you can transmit it even if you have no symptoms. (recently acknowledged to be false).
Two weeks to flatten the curve. (we all know how that went)
No way it came out of a lab. (no longer required to say this)
Take the jab once and you will not get or transmit the virus. (Known to be BS)
Lockdowns are for our own good. (yeah right)
WE will never mandate vaccines (a promise that lasted a few months).
1 million Americans dead from Covid (just nobody famous who was not already on death's door.)
Vaccines are effective and safe. Ignore the VAERS data. Ignore the fact that the least vaccinated nations had far fewer Covid deaths than the highly vaxxed nations.
The people who fell for the Covid narrative just cannot admit they were fooled. Still clinging to it and smearing those who knew better
Lol. I don't expect you to read the 500+ other pages of this thread, because no sane person would do that, but if you've kept up with this thread since its creation, you would know that's exactly what's been happening. Unfortunately, antivaxxers are resistant/immune (lol) to reasoned argument and evidence. How does one cure delusion and the condition of being fact-challenged using lies and deceit, the language of the antivaxxer?
This is a novel virus that we know nothing about -- but we do know you can transmit it even if you have no symptoms. (recently acknowledged to be false).
Two weeks to flatten the curve. (we all know how that went)
No way it came out of a lab. (no longer required to say this)
Take the jab once and you will not get or transmit the virus. (Known to be BS)
Lockdowns are for our own good. (yeah right)
WE will never mandate vaccines (a promise that lasted a few months).
1 million Americans dead from Covid (just nobody famous who was not already on death's door.)
Vaccines are effective and safe. Ignore the VAERS data. Ignore the fact that the least vaccinated nations had far fewer Covid deaths than the highly vaxxed nations.
The people who fell for the Covid narrative just cannot admit they were fooled. Still clinging to it and smearing those who knew better
All those involved in the studies were fooled too I suppose, and I guess were it not for a few YouTube comedians and a retired nurse turned entertainer (our heroes) to put together a wonderful timeline and figure it all out for us and tell us to subscribe and donate, just think of how many more would have died! We need our comedians to make sense of the changes in public messaging!
All those involved in the studies were fooled too I suppose, and I guess were it not for a few YouTube comedians and a retired nurse turned entertainer (our heroes) to put together a wonderful timeline and figure it all out for us and tell us to subscribe and donate, just think of how many more would have died! We need our comedians to make sense of the changes in public messaging!
Comedian or not, you can't make sense out of something that is withheld.
Aren’t you tired of being stupid and manipulated yet? the vaccine is worthless for any medical reasons. those people who died didn’t die from Covid. it’s a myth. that crap didn’t do anything but hurt and control people, and make others wealthy. Some countries are getting rid of it now completely
Anyone can easily look at the establishment's own numbers and see that the less vaxxed nations suffered far less from Covid than the highly vaxxed.
Yet some will still repeat the nonsensical mantra that vaccines saved millions of lives.
Notice how they're unable to respond to any of this, nor the stats that show excess mortality in countries across the world not due to covid.
the same thing happens on this thread every time: they just flood out pragmatic, irrefutable points with a bunch of inane posts about "antivaxxers are stupid" "antivaxxers can't do math" "antivaxxers believe in Q" "antivaxxers are rightwing extremists" etc.
it's all just recycled talking points from the pharma-funded media. all ad hominem. all cognitive defense mechanisms because the media told they they were smart and right from Day One, so they have to be smart and right today.
The people who fell for the Covid narrative just cannot admit they were fooled. Still clinging to it and smearing those who knew better
Do you think that the overwhelming majority of medical doctors were fooled too? and the New England Journal of Medicine? Or do you think it is just confusion due to confusion in public messaging but antivaxxers had trouble figuring it out (they didn’t get the inside scoop) and so they turned to some comedians for some answers?
I notice a lot of people of a certain type of health profile/age/demographic etc self select to go get vaccinated with additional boosters AND go out and test themselves much more often…whereas unvaccinated bumpkins stay silent and maybe suffer paranoia and can’t afford the fees for a test kit.
this could be one of many reasons why no one pays attention to the BS ideas from the anti mRNA vax crowd
It’s hard to get the anti mRNA vax to do and show the randomized trials. For some reason It’s always looking at graphs where the underlying input is after the fact garbage put together on entertainers’ blogs,YouTube videos,&Rumble.
There is usually a lot of overlap with QAnon, anti-vax, US dollar collapse, crypto adoption, anti govt, anti banks, anti pharma, anti women in leadership, USA civil war is coming and it’s all going downhill, -and apocalypse is coming. A bet that things are doomed and failing. The entertainers promoting “big Pharma” antivax bullsh*t tend to push these other things as well.
Successful people in life aren’t really skeptical of the majority of medical doctors and betting on societal collapse, so usually the anti vax company finds themselves stuck in a circle of a bunch of pessimistic Shtbaggers n’losers
I’ve noticed this too. in my area it was my Uber driver
The people who fell for the Covid narrative just cannot admit they were fooled. Still clinging to it and smearing those who knew better
Do you think that the overwhelming majority of medical doctors were fooled too? and the New England Journal of Medicine? Or do you think it is just confusion due to confusion in public messaging but antivaxxers had trouble figuring it out (they didn’t get the inside scoop) and so they turned to some comedians for some answers?
Doctors were told to get with the program or their careers were over. Still happening. Money calls the shots and the people with the spigots were pushing their jab lies. That goes for NEMJ as well.
I notice you did not respond to even one of the several points I made. Just my conclusion
Successful people in life aren’t really skeptical of the majority of medical doctors and betting on societal collapse, so usually the anti vax company finds themselves stuck in a circle of a bunch of pessimistic Shtbaggers n’losers
I’ve noticed this too. in my area it was my Uber driver
This is a novel virus that we know nothing about -- but we do know you can transmit it even if you have no symptoms. (recently acknowledged to be false). Two weeks to flatten the curve. (we all know how that went) No way it came out of a lab. (no longer required to say this) Take the jab once and you will not get or transmit the virus. (Known to be BS) Lockdowns are for our own good. (yeah right) WE will never mandate vaccines (a promise that lasted a few months). 1 million Americans dead from Covid (just nobody famous who was not already on death's door.) Vaccines are effective and safe. Ignore the VAERS data. Ignore the fact that the least vaccinated nations had far fewer Covid deaths than the highly vaxxed nations.
