This thread was deleted by a volunteer moderator. I certainly don't want a thread this big deleted so I've restored. THat being said, this thread has served it's purpose. I've closed it to new posts.
We have a new 2024 vaccine thread here. New people don't need to try to wade through 20,000 posts to figure out what is going on.
Millions of lives saved by the vaccine. Let the rage flow.
Millions killed by the vaccine.
Singapore vaccinated nearly 80% of the population of 5.7 million with at least vaccine by the end of July 2021. But in late August, the country faced an exponential resumption of the epidemic. Daily cases increased from about 10 in June to more than 150 at the end of July and 1246 on September 24. Deaths followed this exploding from 40 deaths before 80% vaccination to 1000s a few months later.
Cases, deaths, and death/infection all exploded AFTER 80% vaccination. By exploded I mean increased by 3,800% in the case of deaths/month.
The island was extremely isolated with strict lockdown, social distancing, and mask laws throughout.
It’s kinda funny. The claims from the antivaxxers about the COVID vaccine refuse to come true so they have pivoted to… “ok all vaccines don’t work, maybe?”
hope this new attempt fails too. youre welcome to look at Polio rates
I don't claim anything and I'm not an "antivaxxer". I wanted to add some real information here, instead of 550 pages of fighting between provaxxers who claim Fauci is the second coming of Christ and antivaxxers who think he's the antichrist.
Labeling me is a great way to try to dismiss the information posted, but it only confirms what I observe: It's clear this thread is not about vaccines or science; it's about individuals wanting to be right. And as no one here is actually interested about the science, probably no one here will read the book (which kinda proves the point).
I don't even understand why this thread is 550 pages long, as no one is ready to look into any of the posted information objectively. If it doesn't fit within the perspective of the poster, it is dismissed directly.
Maybe you just don't want to know the truth, because it might cause cognitive dissonance, which is understandable if you are already vaxxed as there is no way back.
Anyway, if you don't read the book, that's ok. If you read the book (which you can find in pdf via google) and afterwards you still think vaccines (and the science behind it) are sound, that's ok. If you change your mind after reading the book, that's ok too.
By the way: claiming that there's no harm done because you don't have to jump over dead bodies in the street is not really a sound argument.
I don't claim anything and I'm not an "antivaxxer". I wanted to add some real information here, instead of 550 pages of fighting between provaxxers who claim Fauci is the second coming of Christ and antivaxxers who think he's the antichrist.
Labeling me is a great way to try to dismiss the information posted, but it only confirms what I observe: It's clear this thread is not about vaccines or science; it's about individuals wanting to be right. And as no one here is actually interested about the science, probably no one here will read the book (which kinda proves the point).
I don't even understand why this thread is 550 pages long, as no one is ready to look into any of the posted information objectively. If it doesn't fit within the perspective of the poster, it is dismissed directly.
Maybe you just don't want to know the truth, because it might cause cognitive dissonance, which is understandable if you are already vaxxed as there is no way back.
Anyway, if you don't read the book, that's ok. If you read the book (which you can find in pdf via google) and afterwards you still think vaccines (and the science behind it) are sound, that's ok. If you change your mind after reading the book, that's ok too.
By the way: claiming that there's no harm done because you don't have to jump over dead bodies in the street is not really a sound argument.
My copy just arrived.
Mine too! Just in time, I was running low on toilet paper!
it’s what happens during a public health emergency. Now that it’s over the grifters/entertainers are free to say whatever they want. Too bad for them that the vaccines remain on the market. They still manage to gain traffic and fool people into thinking mysterious things are going on
Why are you acting like Trump hired a career bureaucrat who had been there since the 1980s?
Trump inherited Fauci from previous presidencies. But when Covid broke out under his watch, Trump was the one making ultimate decisions on who to hire/retain, how to allocate resources, and what is the best strategy to deal with pandemic. He knew pandemic was the #1 priority for the nation and for himself, while he kept Fauci throughout his presidency. If Fauci is guilty for being useless in his role, Trump is guilty too as being similarly useless (or even worse for being counterproductive), and as the enabler of Fauci.
Because they're all part of the same team. There is no blue and red. It's rich versus poor. "They" all have the same agenda. And they're succeeding, as we keep fighting each other while they're laughing their asses off.
it’s what happens during a public health emergency. Now that it’s over the grifters/entertainers are free to say whatever they want. Too bad for them that the vaccines remain on the market. They still manage to gain traffic and fool people into thinking mysterious things are going on
Me: Unvaccinated. ZERO doses.
Running FASTER. Nothing mysterious.
May 21, 2023. Age 63. 5 miles in 42:21. May 22, 2022. Age 62. 5 miles in 42:23.
Vax mob mafia, please explain why my unvaxxed self is able to accomplish this.
it’s what happens during a public health emergency. Now that it’s over the grifters/entertainers are free to say whatever they want. Too bad for them that the vaccines remain on the market. They still manage to gain traffic and fool people into thinking mysterious things are going on
Me: Unvaccinated. ZERO doses.
Running FASTER. Nothing mysterious.
May 21, 2023. Age 63. 5 miles in 42:21. May 22, 2022. Age 62. 5 miles in 42:23.
Vax mob mafia, please explain why my unvaxxed self is able to accomplish this.
My 100m time decreased more than your 5M time in that time span, and I’ve had 4 delicious doses.
I notice a lot of people of a certain type of health profile/age/demographic etc self select to go get vaccinated with additional boosters AND go out and test themselves much more often…whereas unvaccinated bumpkins stay silent and maybe suffer paranoia and can’t afford the fees for a test kit.
this could be one of many reasons why no one pays attention to the BS ideas from the anti mRNA vax crowd
the people who got all the jabs AND continue to test incessantly are the paranoid ones
the ppl who didn't get jabbed and "stay silent" don't care because the jabs don't work and covid was a nothingburger for 99% of the population
I sincerely hope this video records for posterity a low point in American history and not just another step in the decent into medical tyranny and a complete loss of medical ethics. But, I fear it is the later.
I don't claim anything and I'm not an "antivaxxer". I wanted to add some real information here, instead of 550 pages of fighting between provaxxers who claim Fauci is the second coming of Christ and antivaxxers who think he's the antichrist.
Labeling me is a great way to try to dismiss the information posted, but it only confirms what I observe: It's clear this thread is not about vaccines or science; it's about individuals wanting to be right. And as no one here is actually interested about the science, probably no one here will read the book (which kinda proves the point).
I don't even understand why this thread is 550 pages long, as no one is ready to look into any of the posted information objectively. If it doesn't fit within the perspective of the poster, it is dismissed directly.
Maybe you just don't want to know the truth, because it might cause cognitive dissonance, which is understandable if you are already vaxxed as there is no way back.
Anyway, if you don't read the book, that's ok. If you read the book (which you can find in pdf via google) and afterwards you still think vaccines (and the science behind it) are sound, that's ok. If you change your mind after reading the book, that's ok too.
By the way: claiming that there's no harm done because you don't have to jump over dead bodies in the street is not really a sound argument.
Millions of lives saved by the vaccine. Let the rage flow.
Millions killed by the vaccine.
Singapore vaccinated nearly 80% of the population of 5.7 million with at least vaccine by the end of July 2021. But in late August, the country faced an exponential resumption of the epidemic. Daily cases increased from about 10 in June to more than 150 at the end of July and 1246 on September 24. Deaths followed this exploding from 40 deaths before 80% vaccination to 1000s a few months later.
Cases, deaths, and death/infection all exploded AFTER 80% vaccination. By exploded I mean increased by 3,800% in the case of deaths/month.
The island was extremely isolated with strict lockdown, social distancing, and mask laws throughout.
Singapore site at 1/10th the deaths/million of the USA. This is entirely consistent with 95% protection against severe disease from the vaccine.
Your numbers prove the vax works.
Well done. Antivaxxers are so dumb they argue against themselves now.
I sincerely hope this video records for posterity a low point in American history and not just another step in the decent into medical tyranny and a complete loss of medical ethics. But, I fear it is the later.
Utterly uninformed and disgraceful. Even before we had ubiquitous vaccines available, how many people were being turned away with Covid and told to seek out emergency care ONLY once their sat levels started falling precipitously after the viral replication phase had run its course and the pro-inflammatory, respiratory distress and clotting stages were underway? Only to be ventilated in a “closed system” to “mitigate” spread.
Meanwhile, we had brave doctors like Dr. Chetty in South Africa, a rural doctor who hardly had access to these big hospitals. A doctor who saved thousands of lives. And a protocol that worked and could’ve easily been administered among those who couldn’t or wouldn’t receive the vaccines. Because he read the literature and was a caring doctor who knew what would work. So much death and hospitalization could’ve been prevented. Just disgraceful. Chetty was just another brave face among many.