2020 College Track & Field Open Coaching Positions Discussion

Not exactly. There is a difference between hiring someone that more closely represents the demographic as opposed to purposely discriminating against someone for not meeting that demographic. This kid won his lawsuit (hope it was worth it to him) because he was able to prove that he was discriminated against for not being female. That is different than wanting to hiring someone that happens to be representative of an under-represented group.

There is no law that says you MUST hire the most qualified person. Being the most "qualified" is subjective. If schools had to hire the person with the most years of experience or the most All-Americans, there would always be old white guys getting hired as they started their careers before women were even legally allowed to compete.

It’s time to stop this! We are all interested in who gets the jobs, and what jobs are open. Your opinions on this will not change who gets the job Or who doesn’t get the job. You’re adding nothing relevant to this thread. We all live in the same climate of hiring. It doesn’t matter if you support it or if you don’t. Build your resume best you can that’s all you can do.

Considering COVIDs current progress are we going to see a lot of schools just leave jobs open?

For example haven't even seen postings for UNCA or Bucknell

Also I would hope that the intelligence level here is higher then to call any NCAA full time job especially at the Division One level at an entry level position. I would more say that would be a grad assistant or volunteer.

It is definitely difficult to get those positions.

Look at the young lady who just got hired at Duke. She had a fantastic resume for that position but also went from D2 head to her " entry level" assistant position at UNH

Running your own group at the Division One level is far from entry level in my opinion

You are actually arguing that only members of a certain gender/race can coach that gender/race well. That is extremely racist and sexist.

Under your argument a school that is mostly white should only hire white people.

Any word on missouri?

...and that is the double-edged sword of society’s view on race and gender in a nutshell. You’re right. You can take it either way depending on your point of view. Absolutely. What matters most is the intent and the context. But it is clearly something we struggle with in today’s cultural environment.

Eastern does not have a track yet their women won the indoor conference meet this year! This is one of the reasons you are an idiot.

Last summer Eastern Illinois hired a throws coach fresh out of college and with zero coaching experience. I would like to note that he has been doing an amazing job.

The Southern Mississippi hire is a similar scenario but she has a better competitive resume and has a few years of coaching under her belt. Might be high school but it is still experience coaching. Why are we complaining about a female hire when she is a 5 time All-American in the shot, 2 time SEC champion, and hit the Olympic standard. She has a great competitive resume (which is all it takes for many men) and has several years working as a coach and a teacher. What other qualifications does a female coach need to not be labeled as just a box being checked off?

The Wayne State position is also a solid coaching hire. At her previous job her athlete broke the school shot put record and placed 2nd at D2 Nationals in her first year there. Not to mention she is an alum of the Wayne State throws program.

We are our own worst enemy, assuming and implying that other coaches are bad at what they do. Carly appears to be a great hire. "Paid her dues" as a volunteer coach for 4 years, 2 years collegiate experience along with an NCAA runner-up, and she was an elite thrower herself.

Do you think Wayne State is paying much for an assistant coach? She might be overqualified relative to what they are paying her? And likewise, they may not have considered some of your applications because they knew you wouldn't move to Wayne State for that salary based on your outstanding coaching resume. I started at a D1 for less than $15k/year. No experienced coaches are accepting that salary, so experienced resumes won't get consideration for that.

Those complaining about others getting hired don't seem to realize is that every hire is looking for a particular fit to fill a need. Coaching ability is a very small part of that. If a head coach is hiring a grunt to assist them, they don't likely want someone with a lot of experience because they don't want that assistant overstepping their bounds trying to do too much coaching. Or if they're looking for a recruiter and your cover letter only raves about how well you coach with no mention of recruiting, then you're probably not even being considered. Or if they want to hire an alumna to carry on the culture and continuity of the training group, it's a good fit that your greater experience or coaching abilities cannot provide. So even if you can coach better than who was hired, you are (mostly likely) not better than them based on the need (fit) for the specific position being hired.

Hadsell made a great point that many of the positions don't care about coaching success at all...they have 2 sole missions: 1) raise enrollment to keep the University afloat, 2) keep the kids happy (no negative publicity).

For all of you that are bitter or frustrated that you don't have a coaching job, I humbly offer you sincere advice: figure out the desired fit for the position and brand yourself that way through the application (cover letter) and interview process.

May the odds be ever in your favor!

supermemeoweme wrote:

Eastern does not have a track yet their women won the indoor conference meet this year! This is one of the reasons you are an idiot.

Sick burn ?

You seem to also be the type to complain about minorities being given opportunities as well. Which once again, only makes sense considering the make up of the sport.

No problem with it at all. But I have learned how you jump to conclusions. The feels on all you guys.

hachimachigo wrote:

No problem with it at all. But I have learned how you jump to conclusions. The feels on all you guys.

It's amazing how so many complain about how other individuals are getting jobs, yet always claim to have a job themselves. Why worry so much about what got someone else an opportunity? If you want to control how a selection is being made, you should probably be on the administration side of athletics instead. Then you can execute your resume bias and prejudice first hand as a proper member of The Good Ol Boys Club, rather than complain here to those of us who just want to post jobs and see others get those jobs.

As a current college track and field /Cross country coach I have applied for many positions. I’ve been a finalist around 10 times and have held four coaching position in college. It never bothers me if I am beat out by a woman or a minority. The sport Needs more Representation from all the people that are involved. I do get upset when I’m beat out by some young coach who has no experience because they’re seen as The youth movement.

welcome to reality wrote:

3) You’re a blatant sexist who probably votes for Trump, doesn’t wear a mask, thinks the democrats invented corona virus, and still doesn’t understand the Black Lives Matter movement, preaching “All Lives Matter” with ignorance and conviction! If this is you....you don’t belong in this sport.

Oh man you sure got him there. Wow so original. All lives do matter, saying any different is racist. Go back to the dank hole you crawled out of troll.

rayi123 wrote:

I do get upset when I’m beat out by some young coach who has no experience because they’re seen as The youth movement.

It's probably more that they're willing to accept sub-par wages. I saw a full-time offer in a moderately expensive area posted for $27k last year.

What events is Mt St Mary’s hiring for?

forecasting tornados wrote:

Kevin Hadsell wrote:

You mean as opposed to decades of then not being given any jobs at all?

I am all for hiring women... I mean 100% down for it. So much that I would hope one day gender isn’t a prerequisite. But, a prerequisite for any gender before landing a D1 job is to have some volunteer, GA or lower division collegiate coaching experience.. at least kinda pay some dues. Is that too much to ask? I would love for anyone to post a male D1 from the past 5 years That only had a year of high school coaching experience!

Yeah but that doesn't mean men shouldn't just sound off on this thread now that they're not the only ones competing for jobs. This whole paying your dues thing is trash in most industries but is egregious in running. Maybe no worker should be taken advantage of & made to volunteer before finally scraping by with a $30-40k/year job. A lot of these universities have money to pay low level living wages for coaches. Think about all of the money floating around higher education and athletic departments.

Also, in terms of experience, access might have something to do with it since men have been getting these job opportunities. How do you "pay your dues" if you're never given that opportunity? Sometimes people have skills from their running, their education, or their professional background that might make them a good fit. We should be considering those things in the hiring process.

It took me years to get my first college job. I worked hard I started coaching summer track and junior high. I worked my way up to high school. My teams won 35 team trophies. And then decided to take the jump to college. It took me over three years to get my first opportunity. The first time I was a finalist, I was going to be hired. I was told the University needed to hire a woman. I did not get upset(I was disappointed)I did not cry foul, or me poor me poor me. I kept redoing my resume. I kept looking at the people who were hired and what they were looking for. I was willing to take any job at the college level I could get. I started part time and work my way up to full time. If you spend your time crying about what jobs you don’t get on board like this you’ll never be a college coach. That’s not A personality trait I see in any coach.