This thread was deleted by a volunteer moderator. I certainly don't want a thread this big deleted so I've restored. THat being said, this thread has served it's purpose. I've closed it to new posts.
We have a new 2024 vaccine thread here. New people don't need to try to wade through 20,000 posts to figure out what is going on.
Obviously one day this will become endemic. We can see that we are edging to that now. But, just because you are EVENTUALLY right doesn't mean you have been right. So many people have died because of your stupidity and others like you. For me, that's unforgivable. And your continued ignorance only furthers the problems in this country.
Imagine having to breathe the same air as indoctrinated shills. Perhaps the eugenics movement should have ramped up instead of de-escalating. But this is also the demographic leaving the most kids to society. Regression is overdue. More chaos will inevitably ensue.
Obviously one day this will become endemic. We can see that we are edging to that now. But, just because you are EVENTUALLY right doesn't mean you have been right. So many people have died because of your stupidity and others like you. For me, that's unforgivable. And your continued ignorance only furthers the problems in this country.
Imagine having to breathe the same air as indoctrinated shills. Perhaps the eugenics movement should have ramped up instead of de-escalating. But this is also the demographic leaving the most kids to society. Regression is overdue. More chaos will inevitably ensue.
But Carmine9, I will say that the shamdemic is not over. Sure it will inevitably regress and things will open back up. Probably soon if not now for even the most restricted areas. But that is just a phase in the perpetual cycle. I call it the glimmer of hope phase. They need to give people a break because the people are tired and angry. So the hysteria dies down as people get the booster shots after a period of intense fear mongering and propoganda and lockdowns. It's a perpetual cycle.
A) fear monger via the media
B) lockdowns and restrictions
C) distribute vaccines
D) de-escalate the fear mongering, take away lockdowns, ease restrictions to give people a break and sense of hope
But Carmine9, I will say that the shamdemic is not over. Sure it will inevitably regress and things will open back up. Probably soon if not now for even the most restricted areas. But that is just a phase in the perpetual cycle. I call it the glimmer of hope phase. They need to give people a break because the people are tired and angry. So the hysteria dies down as people get the booster shots after a period of intense fear mongering and propoganda and lockdowns. It's a perpetual cycle. A) fear monger via the mediaB) lockdowns and restrictionsC) distribute vaccinesD) de-escalate the fear mongering, take away lockdowns, ease restrictions to give people a break and sense of hopeE) after a few months or so repeat the cycle
You are likely right. But it becomes more difficult to keep the fear going. As we can see from massive demonstrations worldwide people have had enuff of their BS.
Spoken once again from a true foot soldier of the industry. And I see you're still rearranging the deck chairs of the Titanic. Lol. It's called whistleblowers who couldn't keep ignoring the corruption with this plandemic that came forward.
[i]"DMED data is explosive. Mainstream media has been ordered to ignore it."
I would urge everyone to read this article. It claims...
- Military database reports 500% increase in adverse effects, ostensibly from the vaccine.
- A cover-up was conducted to increase (falsify) prior years' data once the increase was discovered.
A smoking gun here is the increase in conditions that have been previously linked to vaccines. Another is that the "corrected" data was increased by almost exactly 58% in 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, and 2020. Another is that the "corrected" data only increased conditions previously linked to vaccines. The odds of all those things happening are... well... probably close to zero. There are more smoking guns in the article. Read it.
The DMED data exposed by attorney Tom Renz and Senator Johnson is a smoking gun. General Austin should order all military docs to speak the truth. But he isn't. Why not?
Spoken once again from a true foot soldier of the industry. And I see you're still rearranging the deck chairs of the Titanic. Lol. It's called whistleblowers who couldn't keep ignoring the corruption with this plandemic that came forward.
[i]"DMED data is explosive. Mainstream media has been ordered to ignore it."
I would urge everyone to read this article. It claims...
- Military database reports 500% increase in adverse effects, ostensibly from the vaccine.
- A cover-up was conducted to increase (falsify) prior years' data once the increase was discovered.
A smoking gun here is the increase in conditions that have been previously linked to vaccines. Another is that the "corrected" data was increased by almost exactly 58% in 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, and 2020. Another is that the "corrected" data only increased conditions previously linked to vaccines. The odds of all those things happening are... well... probably close to zero. There are more smoking guns in the article. Read it.
I gave you the benefit of the doubt and read the entire thing.
A few red flags I want to point out: 1) What does VAERS do again?
2)There is a lot of "x is happening, so it suggests Y." Connections are drawn for the reader. If you are not a thinking person and you simply want to hear that repeating echo in that social media chamber, "suggesting" what something means wets the appetite.
3) The data is largely summarized using percentages, which can be and usually is misleading. "500% increase?" Holy crap, that's a lot, right? Except if 1 person, out of 1 milllion, previously reported a breathing issue when the data was first taken and then now after another 1 million doses you got 6 people reporting the same thing, that's a 500% increase. I remember being told by ESPN the lacrosse was one of the fastest growing sports in America based on percentage increase in people who play. Well, nobody really played. So when a couple more people join the team the "percentage increase" will look big.
4) A lot of this is based on the reporting of one military doctor. There are highly qualified, experienced and seemingly trustworthy medical professionals who report the complete opposite things. COVID Anti-vaxxers dismiss people at the very top of medicine. Why should anybody trust this doctor? Because he repeats what you believe?
It's really depressing to see how health fads have mutated into Covid denialism, then Covid vaccine skepticism, and and now a general rejection of vaccines.
Please go read some 19th century family history. Practically every family has kids dying at young ages, often several of them all at once. Vaccines are the reason we don't have that tragedy repeating itself every day.
Another famous vaxxed person infected. 3 shots and he still gets Covid. The canned line will be trotted out about how the 3 shots kept him alive and out of the hospital. At this point, the propaganda of the vax mob mafia has gone beyond absurd.
Buckingham Palace last night refused to confirm whether the 95-year-old monarch had tested positive or negative for the coronavirus after meeting Prince Charles, fuelling fears for her health.
The Prince of Wales has tested positive for Covid-19 and is now self-isolating, Clarence House has said.
This is the second time Prince Charles, 73, who is triple jabbed, has tested positive for the coronavirus after contracting the disease in March 2020.
Aides said the prince was found to be positive during a routine test - which suggested he was experiencing no strong symptoms - but they declined to go into further details on his medical condition.
Read it, downloaded spreadsheet and looked at it.It's not clear how exactly Renz Law got the numbers they're showing, but the idea that there an enormous (~300%) increase in particular conditions in DMED that is not apparent in the civilian data or is apparent, but is being covered up by the global medical community is a pretty fantastic claim.
Imagine having to breathe the same air as indoctrinated shills. Perhaps the eugenics movement should have ramped up instead of de-escalating. But this is also the demographic leaving the most kids to society. Regression is overdue. More chaos will inevitably ensue.
4) A lot of this is based on the reporting of one military doctor. There are highly qualified, experienced and seemingly trustworthy medical professionals who report the complete opposite things. COVID Anti-vaxxers dismiss people at the very top of medicine. Why should anybody trust this doctor? Because he repeats what you believe?
First, thanks for reading the article. Most posters just go straight to name calling and I appreciate that you didn't do that.
There are three named doctors in the letter itself, plus at least one unnamed doctor. I see nothing for these doctors to gain by making this up, but they are taking a MASSIVE financial risk by coming forward with this information. They could lose their retirement pay, which could be $2.5 to $3 million and their health care benefits for themselves and their spouses.
OTOH, those "seemingly trustworthy medical professionals" with opposite positions often have conflicts of interest. In fact, we know that doctors have been censured and even forced to resign for speaking out. It's naive to believe that hundreds of millions of grant dollars don't influence these docs, hospital CEOs, etc.
Another famous vaxxed person infected. 3 shots and he still gets Covid. The canned line will be trotted out about how the 3 shots kept him alive and out of the hospital. At this point, the propaganda of the vax mob mafia has gone beyond .
So we highlight the few who get it while vaxxed and ignore the many who get it unvaxxed? And lets not talk about all the people who die, right? Because it might make your argument look silly.
DanM. You are a wonder. The star loon in a sea full of em. Congrats.
I would urge everyone to read this article. It claims...
- Military database reports 500% increase in adverse effects, ostensibly from the vaccine.
- A cover-up was conducted to increase (falsify) prior years' data once the increase was discovered.
A smoking gun here is the increase in conditions that have been previously linked to vaccines. Another is that the "corrected" data was increased by almost exactly 58% in 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, and 2020. Another is that the "corrected" data only increased conditions previously linked to vaccines. The odds of all those things happening are... well... probably close to zero. There are more smoking guns in the article. Read it.
Sorry, Steve Kirsch has already shown a huge bias toward twisting (if not outright fabricating) data to support his unchangeable belief that vaccines are secretly killing tons of people. He tried to do this with UK data but basically got all the math wrong, and has claimed as much with VAERS in the past.
He simply is not trustworthy and loves to take raw data and twist it to support his insane theories about mass vaccine toxicity. Can't trust his analysis.
Vax mob mafia loses again. Psaki is lying about that 98 percent. I guarantee it.
Feb. 10, 2022 at 2:33 PM EST
NEW ORLEANS (AP) — A federal appeals court has declined, for now, to allow the Biden administration to require COVID-19 vaccinations for federal employees.
The 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in New Orleans ruled 2-1 Wednesday to maintain a block on the mandate that a Texas-based federal judge had issued on Jan. 21. The administration had asked the New Orleans court for an injunction allowing the federal worker mandate to move forward pending appeal.
President Joe Biden announced in September that more than 3.5 million federal workers were required to undergo vaccination, with no option to get regularly tested instead, unless they secured approved medical or religious exemptions. The requirement kicked in this past November. White House press secretary Jen Psaki said last month that 98% of federal workers are vaccinated.
For working age adults (18-69), the case rate per 100k is about double for the vaccinated than the unvaccinated (3,498.24 - vaxxed vs. 1,761.46 - unvaxxed), the hospitalization rate is 33% higher among the unvaccinated (10.3 - vaxxed vs. 13.64 - unvaxxed) and the death rate is 57% higher among the unvaccinated (3.06 - vaxxed vs. 4.82 - unvaxxed).
For those 60 and above, the case rate per 100k is about double for the vaccinated than the unvaccinated (1,517.14 - vaxxed vs. 781.31 - unvaxxed), the hospitalization rate is 119% higher among the unvaccinated (37.45 - vaxxed vs. 82.14 - unvaxxed) and the death rate is 126% higher among the unvaccinated (41.73 - vaxxed vs. 94.18 - unvaxxed).
Boosted individuals over 60 accounted for 88.47% of cases, 67.65% of hospitalizations and 56.56% of deaths in that age group.
Vaccines offer some protection, but the differential has narrowed significantly. On the plus side, the high level of hybrid and natural immunity should provide protection against future outbreaks. Where I live, case rates over the past week have dropped below where they were in the summer. Quite honestly, there is almost nobody left to infect.
For working age adults (18-69), the case rate per 100k is about double for the vaccinated than the unvaccinated (3,498.24 - vaxxed vs. 1,761.46 - unvaxxed), the hospitalization rate is 33% higher among the unvaccinated (10.3 - vaxxed vs. 13.64 - unvaxxed) and the death rate is 57% higher among the unvaccinated (3.06 - vaxxed vs. 4.82 - unvaxxed).
For those 60 and above, the case rate per 100k is about double for the vaccinated than the unvaccinated (1,517.14 - vaxxed vs. 781.31 - unvaxxed), the hospitalization rate is 119% higher among the unvaccinated (37.45 - vaxxed vs. 82.14 - unvaxxed) and the death rate is 126% higher among the unvaccinated (41.73 - vaxxed vs. 94.18 - unvaxxed).
Boosted individuals over 60 accounted for 88.47% of cases, 67.65% of hospitalizations and 56.56% of deaths in that age group.
Vaccines offer some protection, but the differential has narrowed significantly. On the plus side, the high level of hybrid and natural immunity should provide protection against future outbreaks. Where I live, case rates over the past week have dropped below where they were in the summer. Quite honestly, there is almost nobody left to infect.
and look at page 12. This reports correctly calculated vaccine effectiveness.
~85% hospitalization efficacy against Omicron. For example.
Do not simply do division with raw rates as the quoted post does -- the UKHSA explicitly warns against this due to many confounding factors.
As for the natural immunity zealots... one can only hope that an Omicron infection (or two) confers good immunity against more immunologically distant strains. This has not really been show in unvaccinated people. Good luck! Remember, the UK reported that prior COVID offers ~70% protection against death upon a second COVID infection. Far, far worse than the vaccines. (Yes, I am cherry picking one particularly low study, but we are discussing UK data, after all!)
Grace Kelly wrote:4) A lot of this is based on the reporting of one military doctor. There are highly qualified, experienced and seemingly trustworthy medical professionals who report the complete opposite things. COVID Anti-vaxxers dismiss people at the very top of medicine. Why should anybody trust this doctor? Because he repeats what you believe?
First, thanks for reading the article. Most posters just go straight to name calling and I appreciate that you didn't do that.There are three named doctors in the letter itself, plus at least one unnamed doctor. I see nothing for these doctors to gain by making this up, but they are taking a MASSIVE financial risk by coming forward with this information. They could lose their retirement pay, which could be $2.5 to $3 million and their health care benefits for themselves and their spouses. OTOH, those "seemingly trustworthy medical professionals" with opposite positions often have conflicts of interest. In fact, we know that doctors have been censured and even forced to resign for speaking out. It's naive to believe that hundreds of millions of grant dollars don't influence these docs, hospital CEOs, etc.
"Horowitz: The Pentagon’s RESPONSE to the explosive DOD medical data is an even bigger story than the data."
. I see nothing for these doctors to gain by making this up, but they are taking a MASSIVE financial risk by coming forward with this information. They could lose their retirement pay, which could be $2.5 to $3 million and their health care benefits for themselves and their spouses. OTOH, those "seemingly trustworthy medical professionals" with opposite positions often have conflicts of interest. In fact, we know that doctors have been censured and even forced to resign for speaking out. It's naive to believe that hundreds of millions of grant dollars don't influence these docs, hospital CEOs, etc.
"Horowitz: The Pentagon’s RESPONSE to the explosive DOD medical data is an even bigger story than the data."
this is a bit naive. There is no MASSIVE risk. The right-wing rage machine will a.) bankroll any lawsuits b.) look out those these guys. They will show up on OAN or the blaze or Rogan and peddle some supplements to fools and make a fortune. There is a lot of money to be made by doctors who tell people what they want to hear.
I didn't die of Covid (Delta) last Sept when I experienced mild symptoms that self-resolved needing no medical intervention whatsoever (the power of a healthy immune system. 💪).However, I know you wished I had died so you could crack your knuckles & jump for joy that a Conservative boomer antivaxxer had perished from this Earth. Lol. Wanting to see Conservative antivaxxers, or any antivaxxer for that fact, die by the "thousands" from Covid not only shows that you're a foot soldier for the industry but a punk.
I take no joy in seeing my countrymen die. I regret that they have fallen for the murderous propaganda that you and your ilk push daily.
Do you even remember what you write from post to post? You just told me that "Conservative antivaxxers should keep dying of COVID by the thousand." Now you say that you "take no joy in seeing my countrymen die." So...which one is it? Or does it change day to day? Lol. The problem here is you're so busy rearranging the deck chairs of Titanic that you're so full of consternation over the damaging effects caused by these vaccines - I think you're losing your mind! 🤪 And you & your sidekick, "2600 bro," can't even get your story straight when it comes to vaccinating the kids.
2600 bro wrote:
"Africa has a significantly younger population than Western Countries and age is the primary factor in COVID death rates ... age is more protective than even vaccination."
Wow!...that's a profound statement! If age is more protective than even vaccination - why are you foot soldiers pushing the vax on the youngsters where their risk of death & serious adverse events increases with these shots?
Btw, a new study from Johns Hopkins showing disease-acquired immunity lasting well over a year. Another reason why Fauci et al & the Libs shouldn't be pushing these vaccines on the recovered.
"STUDY: 99% of people with previous COVID-19 infection develop natural immunity that lasts over a year."
