Official LRC President Joseph R Biden Thread

agip wrote:

L L wrote:

I drove by a neighborhood not too far from where I live the other day.

I still see Trump flags out.

But it looked like the people at this one house had built a statue of Trump standing outside of their porch.

They literally worship this man. He's their new Jesus.

They have lost their minds.

Long cut and paste that will probably be unreadable so maybe go to the original. This from a great essay that goes into what you are saying in depth. It's trump. He is a one-man Constitution and democracy shredder. PTL he's 75 years old and not 50. But the personality cult around him is extraordinarily effective

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What makes the Trump movement historically unique is not its passions and paranoias. It is the fact that for millions of Americans, Trump himself is the response to their fears and resentments. This is a stronger bond between leader and followers than anything seen before in U.S. political movements. Although the Founders feared the rise of a king or a Caesar, for two centuries Americans proved relatively immune to unwavering hero-worship of politicians. Their men on horseback — Theodore Roosevelt, Grant, even Washington — were not regarded as infallible. This was true of great populist leaders as well. William Jennings Bryan a century ago was venerated because he advanced certain ideas and policies, but he did not enjoy unquestioning loyalty from his followers. Even Reagan was criticized by conservatives for selling out conservative principles, for deficit spending, for his equivocal stance on abortion, for being “soft” on the Soviet Union.

Trump is different, which is one reason the political system has struggled to understand, much less contain, him. The American liberal worldview tends to search for material and economic explanations for everything, and no doubt a good number of Trump supporters have grounds to complain about their lot in life. But their bond with Trump has little to do with economics or other material concerns. They believe the U.S. government and society have been captured by socialists, minority groups and sexual deviants. They see the Republican Party establishment as corrupt and weak — “losers,” to use Trump’s word, unable to challenge the reigning liberal hegemony. They view Trump as strong and defiant, willing to take on the establishment, Democrats, RINOs, liberal media, antifa, the Squad, Big Tech and the “Mitch McConnell Republicans.” His charismatic leadership has given millions of Americans a feeling of purpose and empowerment, a new sense of identity. While Trump’s critics see him as too narcissistic to be any kind of leader, his supporters admire his unapologetic, militant selfishness. Unlike establishment Republicans, Trump speaks without embarrassment on behalf of an aggrieved segment of Americans, not exclusively White, who feel they have been taking it on the chin for too long. And that is all he needs to do.

There was a time when political analysts wondered what would happen when Trump failed to “deliver” for his constituents. But the most important thing Trump delivers is himself. His egomania is part of his appeal. In his professed victimization by the media and the “elites,” his followers see their own victimization. That is why attacks on Trump by the elites only strengthen his bond with his followers. That is why millions of Trump supporters have even been willing to risk death as part of their show of solidarity: When Trump’s enemies cited his mishandling of the pandemic to discredit him, their answer was to reject the pandemic. One Trump supporter didn’t go to the hospital after developing covid-19 symptoms because he didn’t want to contribute to the liberal case against Trump. “I’m not going to add to the numbers,” he told a reporter.

Because the Trump movement is less about policies than about Trump himself, it has undermined the normal role of American political parties, which is to absorb new political and ideological movements into the mainstream. Bryan never became president, but some of his populist policies were adopted by both political parties. Sen. Bernie Sanders’s supporters might not have wanted Biden for president, but having lost the nomination battle they could work on getting Biden to pursue their agenda. Liberal democracy requires acceptance of adverse electoral results, a willingness to countenance the temporary rule of those with whom we disagree. As historian Richard Hofstadter observed, it requires that people “endure error in the interest of social peace.” Part of that willingness stems from the belief that the democratic system makes it possible to work, even in opposition, to correct the ruling party’s errors and overreach. Movements based on ideas and policies can also quickly shift their allegiances. Today, the progressives’ flag-bearer might be Sanders, but tomorrow it could be Sen. Elizabeth Warren or Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez or someone else.

For a movement built around a cult of personality, these adjustments are not possible. For Trump supporters, the “error” is that Trump was cheated out of reelection by what he has told them is an oppressive, communist, Democrat regime. While the defeat of a sitting president normally leads to a struggle to claim the party’s mantle, so far no Republican has been able to challenge Trump’s grip on Republican voters: not Sen. Josh Hawley, not Sen. Tom Cotton, not Tucker Carlson, not Gov. Ron DeSantis. It is still all about Trump. The fact that he is not in office means that the United States is “a territory controlled by enemy tribes,” writes one conservative intellectual. The government, as one Trump supporter put it, “is monopolized by a Regime that believes [Trump voters] are beneath representation, and will observe no limits to keep them [from] getting it." If so, the intellectual posits, what choice do they have but to view the government as the enemy and to become “united and armed to take care of themselves as they think best”?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/09/23/robert-kagan-constitutional-crisis/

kibitzer wrote:

Ha mbo wrote:

You low IQ libs on here will never stop worshipping your senile god though. At least he has that going for him. 😂😂😂😂😂

Here's the thing: The Dems and libs (I'm not one--have never cast a ballot on the Democratic line in my life, for any office in any election) who surround me here in New York City DON'T worship Biden. In fact, they're constantly P&Ming about various things that he's done (or hasn't).

It was (some of) the TRUMPISTAS who were worshiping, who were members of a cult, who could not allow or accept *any* criticism of their object of veneration. The Dems could give a rat's ass about Biden--he's just some guy in the White House--while for the Trump-worshipers DJT was the literal embodiment of their hopes and dreams.

And this is why it's hard to rile up the Dems by insulting/criticizing Biden. They're fully aware of his imperfections.

And ALSO fully aware that in 2020, Biden was vastly better than the alternative.

Trollminator wrote:

kibitzer wrote:

Here's the thing: The Dems and libs (I'm not one--have never cast a ballot on the Democratic line in my life, for any office in any election) who surround me here in New York City DON'T worship Biden. In fact, they're constantly P&Ming about various things that he's done (or hasn't).

It was (some of) the TRUMPISTAS who were worshiping, who were members of a cult, who could not allow or accept *any* criticism of their object of veneration. The Dems could give a rat's ass about Biden--he's just some guy in the White House--while for the Trump-worshipers DJT was the literal embodiment of their hopes and dreams.

And this is why it's hard to rile up the Dems by insulting/criticizing Biden. They're fully aware of his imperfections.

And ALSO fully aware that in 2020, Biden was vastly better than the alternative.

Tzees on this thread are delusional if they think we are going to entertain any of their criticisms of Biden. I have criticized Biden a lot in personal discussion with my acquaintances, friends and family. But no way in hell is any tzee who is unable to admit trump lost and that they made a mistake supporting him going to get anything from me. They buried the bar into subterranean levels with the their relentless worshipping of trump and now they have to own it until the very end. Any D candidate will always be light years better and all tzees can go fk themselves until they finally see the light. 👋🏻🎻

Trollminator wrote:

kibitzer wrote:

Here's the thing: The Dems and libs (I'm not one--have never cast a ballot on the Democratic line in my life, for any office in any election) who surround me here in New York City DON'T worship Biden. In fact, they're constantly P&Ming about various things that he's done (or hasn't).

It was (some of) the TRUMPISTAS who were worshiping, who were members of a cult, who could not allow or accept *any* criticism of their object of veneration. The Dems could give a rat's ass about Biden--he's just some guy in the White House--while for the Trump-worshipers DJT was the literal embodiment of their hopes and dreams.

And this is why it's hard to rile up the Dems by insulting/criticizing Biden. They're fully aware of his imperfections.

And ALSO fully aware that in 2020, Biden was vastly better than the alternative.

Tzees on this thread are delusional if they think we are going to entertain any of their criticisms of Biden. I have criticized Biden a lot in personal discussion with my acquaintances, friends and family. But no way in hell is any tzee who is unable to admit trump lost and that they made a mistake supporting him going to get anything from me. They buried the bar into subterranean levels with the their relentless worshipping of trump and now they have to own it until the very end. Any D candidate will always be light years better and all tzees can go fk themselves until they finally see the light. 👋🏻🎻

Trollminator wrote:

agip wrote:

Long cut and paste that will probably be unreadable so maybe go to the original. This from a great essay that goes into what you are saying in depth. It's trump. He is a one-man Constitution and democracy shredder. PTL he's 75 years old and not 50. But the personality cult around him is extraordinarily effective

///

What makes the Trump movement historically unique is not its passions and paranoias. It is the fact that for millions of Americans, Trump himself is the response to their fears and resentments. This is a stronger bond between leader and followers than anything seen before in U.S. political movements. Although the Founders feared the rise of a king or a Caesar, for two centuries Americans proved relatively immune to unwavering hero-worship of politicians. Their men on horseback — Theodore Roosevelt, Grant, even Washington — were not regarded as infallible. This was true of great populist leaders as well. William Jennings Bryan a century ago was venerated because he advanced certain ideas and policies, but he did not enjoy unquestioning loyalty from his followers. Even Reagan was criticized by conservatives for selling out conservative principles, for deficit spending, for his equivocal stance on abortion, for being “soft” on the Soviet Union.

Trump is different, which is one reason the political system has struggled to understand, much less contain, him. The American liberal worldview tends to search for material and economic explanations for everything, and no doubt a good number of Trump supporters have grounds to complain about their lot in life. But their bond with Trump has little to do with economics or other material concerns. They believe the U.S. government and society have been captured by socialists, minority groups and sexual deviants. They see the Republican Party establishment as corrupt and weak — “losers,” to use Trump’s word, unable to challenge the reigning liberal hegemony. They view Trump as strong and defiant, willing to take on the establishment, Democrats, RINOs, liberal media, antifa, the Squad, Big Tech and the “Mitch McConnell Republicans.” His charismatic leadership has given millions of Americans a feeling of purpose and empowerment, a new sense of identity. While Trump’s critics see him as too narcissistic to be any kind of leader, his supporters admire his unapologetic, militant selfishness. Unlike establishment Republicans, Trump speaks without embarrassment on behalf of an aggrieved segment of Americans, not exclusively White, who feel they have been taking it on the chin for too long. And that is all he needs to do.

There was a time when political analysts wondered what would happen when Trump failed to “deliver” for his constituents. But the most important thing Trump delivers is himself. His egomania is part of his appeal. In his professed victimization by the media and the “elites,” his followers see their own victimization. That is why attacks on Trump by the elites only strengthen his bond with his followers. That is why millions of Trump supporters have even been willing to risk death as part of their show of solidarity: When Trump’s enemies cited his mishandling of the pandemic to discredit him, their answer was to reject the pandemic. One Trump supporter didn’t go to the hospital after developing covid-19 symptoms because he didn’t want to contribute to the liberal case against Trump. “I’m not going to add to the numbers,” he told a reporter.

Because the Trump movement is less about policies than about Trump himself, it has undermined the normal role of American political parties, which is to absorb new political and ideological movements into the mainstream. Bryan never became president, but some of his populist policies were adopted by both political parties. Sen. Bernie Sanders’s supporters might not have wanted Biden for president, but having lost the nomination battle they could work on getting Biden to pursue their agenda. Liberal democracy requires acceptance of adverse electoral results, a willingness to countenance the temporary rule of those with whom we disagree. As historian Richard Hofstadter observed, it requires that people “endure error in the interest of social peace.” Part of that willingness stems from the belief that the democratic system makes it possible to work, even in opposition, to correct the ruling party’s errors and overreach. Movements based on ideas and policies can also quickly shift their allegiances. Today, the progressives’ flag-bearer might be Sanders, but tomorrow it could be Sen. Elizabeth Warren or Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez or someone else.

For a movement built around a cult of personality, these adjustments are not possible. For Trump supporters, the “error” is that Trump was cheated out of reelection by what he has told them is an oppressive, communist, Democrat regime. While the defeat of a sitting president normally leads to a struggle to claim the party’s mantle, so far no Republican has been able to challenge Trump’s grip on Republican voters: not Sen. Josh Hawley, not Sen. Tom Cotton, not Tucker Carlson, not Gov. Ron DeSantis. It is still all about Trump. The fact that he is not in office means that the United States is “a territory controlled by enemy tribes,” writes one conservative intellectual. The government, as one Trump supporter put it, “is monopolized by a Regime that believes [Trump voters] are beneath representation, and will observe no limits to keep them [from] getting it." If so, the intellectual posits, what choice do they have but to view the government as the enemy and to become “united and armed to take care of themselves as they think best”?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/09/23/robert-kagan-constitutional-crisis/

So what does it say about at least 75 million voters that they derive a feeling of purpose and empowerment from someone like trump? Holy fk our situation is bad

Sally Vixxxxxxxxens wrote:

You keep bringing up the Boogey Man. No conservative here EVER defends Trump. No conservative here is even a Tzee or Trumpist or whatever the else helll you call them. Again, I never defend Trump and Gary doesn't defend Trump and Igy never defends Trump. Trump is not even mentioned by any of us. EVER. We voted for Trump because the alternative - Biden - was far, far worse than an SOB like Trump who favored policies that we generally agreed with. What was our alternative? Biden? Really? He is much of a radical leftist than any of us ever imagined. Maybe not him but those controlling his puppet strings. Biden is ruining this country. Dividing it. How crazy is this. He is vowing to punish the Border Patrol for doing their jobs and trying to manage the migrant crisis (while the Border Czar Harris - Border Czar in name only - has never been to the border and never spoken to the American people about the border) while allowing un-vaccinated illegals to enter the country at will. They are breaking the law but they are being welcomed while the Border Patrol are doing their best to do their jobs but the president is vowing to come down hard on them. Just insanity.