This thread was deleted by a volunteer moderator. I certainly don't want a thread this big deleted so I've restored. THat being said, this thread has served it's purpose. I've closed it to new posts.
We have a new 2024 vaccine thread here. New people don't need to try to wade through 20,000 posts to figure out what is going on.
Before we had vaccines, vitamin D was NEVER recommended. Losing weight if you were obese was NEVER recommended.
Maybe not specifically for Covid, but vitamin D to mitigate infectious diseases has been a thing for most of a decade and obesity as a health risk has been a thing for many decades. Health officials have been spectacularly unsuccessful at getting people to implement the indicated life style changes.
Moreover, the choice we faced wasn't, "Vitamin D, healthy diet and exercise, vaccination against infectious disease, pick any two!"
To your first point, true, but these were early known risk factors for severe Covid outcomes, and Fisky is correct. Fauci had a bully pulpit and should’ve been screaming everyday that the best strategy pre-vaccination was to implement these simple strategies. He didn’t. He paid them lip service in one interview, but he didn’t pound the table.
As to your second point, the only choice pre-vaccine, which was a year if you count the second series, longer with the booster, was to implement lifestyle choices to mitigate worst outcomes. Once we had the full course vaccines, then it was “pick all three.” To quote Biden, C’mon man.
This has been well known for nearly 2 years. Vaccines destroy the natural human immune system. The more you get, the more health problems you will have.
People who wear rollerblade pads have more falls
Therefore, me thinks rollerblade pads cause serious injuries and vaccines cause serious injuries cuz these graphs on right wing blogs make it look it and Fauci and all elites (me wish I was them)all belong in jail. Me wish people paid attention to me but for some reason they don’t.
Maybe not specifically for Covid, but vitamin D to mitigate infectious diseases has been a thing for most of a decade and obesity as a health risk has been a thing for many decades. Health officials have been spectacularly unsuccessful at getting people to implement the indicated life style changes.
Moreover, the choice we faced wasn't, "Vitamin D, healthy diet and exercise, vaccination against infectious disease, pick any two!"
To your first point, true, but these were early known risk factors for severe Covid outcomes, and Fisky is correct. Fauci had a bully pulpit and should’ve been screaming everyday that the best strategy pre-vaccination was to implement these simple strategies. He didn’t. He paid them lip service in one interview, but he didn’t pound the table.
As to your second point, the only choice pre-vaccine, which was a year if you count the second series, longer with the booster, was to implement lifestyle choices to mitigate worst outcomes. Once we had the full course vaccines, then it was “pick all three.” To quote Biden, C’mon man.
What positives have come from the jab? The most vaxxed nations had the worst outcomes.
Lots of treatments for Covid were available from the get.
The COVID crisis ushered in an episode of “mass psychosis” among the populace where rationality, critical thinking and skepticism flew out the window. As a r...
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NSA ran the Covid campaign. Not the CDC, FDA, or NIH.
It's far worse than I thought.
Vaccines were made by the military, not Big Pharma.
Same people who ran/run the torture programs
Everyone needs to know this.
Watch RFK discuss this on rumble of Russell Brand show
They also ran the plan to shut down any discussion of the origin of the virus and planned to drown special media with propaganda...all months before we were told about Covid.
This is how the world works. They have you all calling truths "conspiracy theories"
Vitamin D isn’t even “polypharmacy,” it’s monopharmacy. Except it’s not even pharmacy at all. It was just common sense and damn good advice for the entire year before everyone even had access to a vaccine and boost. Exercise too.
Objective To determine if daily supplementation with cod liver oil, a low dose vitamin D supplement, in winter, prevents SARS-CoV-2 infection, serious covid-19, or other acute respiratory infections in adults in Norway. Desig...
Look at the data, not just the conclusion. Conclusions can be biased.
What this study "proves" is that extremely low dose vitamin D supplementation makes no difference in a population that is ALREADY at relatively HIGH levels of vitamin D.
1. Before intervention, 86% of the test subjects had adequate levels of vitamin D. (In the United States, it's almost the opposite with 80%-90% of blacks and elderly having deficient D levels and about half of the obese.
2. Over 6 months, there were NO deaths and only 1 in 1,000 covid cases were hospitalized in the 34,000 test subjects. This implies that adequate levels of vitamin D are protective against death and hospitalization.
3. The supplement dose was too small to significantly improve D levels and that was proven out by the study. Pre and post D level measurements weren't significantly different. It was only about five drops of cod liver oil or 400IU daily. For reference, I take 5,000IU daily. The "normal" D level range is 20-30ng/dl. Throughout the pandemic, I've kept my D levels between 59 and 83.
A better pre-vaccination study would have been to track subjects by deficient, low normal, and high normal pre-intervention levels and then to supplement to boost to at least 40ng/dl and preferably 50-60 ng/dl vitamin D levels. By Mady 2020, sufficient data existed to warrant such a study, but it was never done.
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Look at the data, not just the conclusion. Conclusions can be biased.
What this study "proves" is that extremely low dose vitamin D supplementation makes no difference in a population that is ALREADY at relatively HIGH levels of vitamin D.
1. Before intervention, 86% of the test subjects had adequate levels of vitamin D. (In the United States, it's almost the opposite with 80%-90% of blacks and elderly having deficient D levels and about half of the obese.
2. Over 6 months, there were NO deaths and only 1 in 1,000 covid cases were hospitalized in the 34,000 test subjects. This implies that adequate levels of vitamin D are protective against death and hospitalization.
3. The supplement dose was too small to significantly improve D levels and that was proven out by the study. Pre and post D level measurements weren't significantly different. It was only about five drops of cod liver oil or 400IU daily. For reference, I take 5,000IU daily. The "normal" D level range is 20-30ng/dl. Throughout the pandemic, I've kept my D levels between 59 and 83.
A better pre-vaccination study would have been to track subjects by deficient, low normal, and high normal pre-intervention levels and then to supplement to boost to at least 40ng/dl and preferably 50-60 ng/dl vitamin D levels. By Mady 2020, sufficient data existed to warrant such a study, but it was never done.
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Has a large scale vitamin supplementation study ever had a positive outcome? I feel like since Linus Pauling people have been saying "its just micronutrients" and then every large supplementation study just fails because a normal diet is sufficient for the vast majority of people.
Look at the data, not just the conclusion. Conclusions can be biased.
What this study "proves" is that extremely low dose vitamin D supplementation makes no difference in a population that is ALREADY at relatively HIGH levels of vitamin D.
1. Before intervention, 86% of the test subjects had adequate levels of vitamin D. (In the United States, it's almost the opposite with 80%-90% of blacks and elderly having deficient D levels and about half of the obese.
2. Over 6 months, there were NO deaths and only 1 in 1,000 covid cases were hospitalized in the 34,000 test subjects. This implies that adequate levels of vitamin D are protective against death and hospitalization.
3. The supplement dose was too small to significantly improve D levels and that was proven out by the study. Pre and post D level measurements weren't significantly different. It was only about five drops of cod liver oil or 400IU daily. For reference, I take 5,000IU daily. The "normal" D level range is 20-30ng/dl. Throughout the pandemic, I've kept my D levels between 59 and 83.
A better pre-vaccination study would have been to track subjects by deficient, low normal, and high normal pre-intervention levels and then to supplement to boost to at least 40ng/dl and preferably 50-60 ng/dl vitamin D levels. By Mady 2020, sufficient data existed to warrant such a study, but it was never done.
1) reading table 3 it looks like the subjects were very close to the average value I see in the US (69 nmol/mL). I would easily believe some groups are more deficient. They ran a similar trial in Britain that offered supplementation to low vit D people and found no result either:
Objective To determine the effect of population level implementation of a test-and-treat approach to correction of suboptimal vitamin D status (25-hydroxyvitamin D (25(OH)D)
2) It definitely doesn’t support proper vitamins D levels being protective ( they may!) any more than it does any summary statistic of the cohort.
3) your levels are substantially higher than recommend levels. Nobody is going to run a trial supplementing people well beyond the recommended levels unless there’s evidence to support it.
I buy the vitamin D mechanistic arguments but the data has been far too inconclusive. If there’s an effect, it going to be small, otherwise the signal would be way stronger from trials. If you need to argue: “they need to run this exact trial to see any effect” then you probably aren’t dealing with a very useful drug. See: HCQ and IVM where proponents have been saying the same thing for years as the failed trials pile up.
Look at the data, not just the conclusion. Conclusions can be biased.
What this study "proves" is that extremely low dose vitamin D supplementation makes no difference in a population that is ALREADY at relatively HIGH levels of vitamin D.
1. Before intervention, 86% of the test subjects had adequate levels of vitamin D. (In the United States, it's almost the opposite with 80%-90% of blacks and elderly having deficient D levels and about half of the obese.
2. Over 6 months, there were NO deaths and only 1 in 1,000 covid cases were hospitalized in the 34,000 test subjects. This implies that adequate levels of vitamin D are protective against death and hospitalization.
3. The supplement dose was too small to significantly improve D levels and that was proven out by the study. Pre and post D level measurements weren't significantly different. It was only about five drops of cod liver oil or 400IU daily. For reference, I take 5,000IU daily. The "normal" D level range is 20-30ng/dl. Throughout the pandemic, I've kept my D levels between 59 and 83.
A better pre-vaccination study would have been to track subjects by deficient, low normal, and high normal pre-intervention levels and then to supplement to boost to at least 40ng/dl and preferably 50-60 ng/dl vitamin D levels. By Mady 2020, sufficient data existed to warrant such a study, but it was never done.
Back at the start of 2020, a researcher stated that the majority in the U.S.A are D deficient along with the rest of the world.
Many people believe they are getting enough vitamin D just by being out in the sun once in a while, but the truth is few people get enough and vitamin D...
This article contains the current number of confirmed COVID-19 deaths per population by country. It also has cumulative death totals by country. For these numbers over time see the tables, graphs, and maps at COVID-19 pandemi...
You still cant correct for age LOL. It's simply to hard for you. You are basically asking for nursing homes had more deaths than preschools even though the nursing homes got vaccinated and the preschools didnt.
Peru is a good example of why using Chinese vaccines was a poor idea. mRNA vaccines ended up being way better.
