Official Russia vs Ukraine War Thread

So your morally corrupt view of the situation in Ukraine is a projection of your own selling out to greed, power and ego. Fair enough, just don't expect those of us without broken souls to sign on to your vapid, nihilist worldview. But... we are making progress here in understanding the evil that resides in the hearts of those who just want to see the world burn, whether it is you, carmine-nein! or Putin himself.

When we talk about the West, it's "shaky legal grounds" and "unfortunate air strikes", but when we talk about the East, it's "illegal" and "war crimes".

Meanwhile in both cases the results are the same.

The only difference between you and me is that I know and admit that we are just as corrupt as the East. You're still naive enough to think that your "unbroken soul" can impact what your government is doing. US government will kill 100.000 civilians in the Middle East and you will think it's for the good of the humanity, because they said so.

Regarding financial system: you can twist is as you want it, but your beloved capitalism has to be bailed out by socialism on regular basis.

I'm geing as generous as possible while politely calling out your analogy.

Kosovo was an intervention to stop genocide and a humanitarian disaster. Ukraine is an invasion to seize territory and is largely being waged against the civilian population.

Of course they did. Just like Russians manipulated the US into attacking Cuba in the 60's.

Putin and his advisors saw the Western hostility increase over the past 10-20 years which led to a decision of taking Crimea and Donbas before NATO could do so. I say the only surprise was the lack of support from China and India.

Latvia and Lithuania were long lost to NATO and Russia wouldn't want to get involved in a full scale war. Whereas Ukraine's a non-member and NATO can't send in it's troops.

This war can go either way. Russia will win if Russian civilians will keep playing along and sacrifice themselves in large numbers on battlefields, just like during WWII. Russia will lose if Russian civilians won't play along and will topple the government.

What? In Ukraine it's all about protecting Donbas from genocide and humanitarian disaster too.

On Wikipedia you can look up the numbers of Ukrainian citizens from LPR and DPR killed by Ukrainian regular army.

LOL. Explain to me how depriving Bosnian civilians from water and electricity was better than depriving West-Ukrainians from the same things now.

According to independent UN investigators, 77 civilians died from military related fatalities in the last three years, mostly from mines and unexploded ordinance. More died from car crashes in Moscow than that.

The myth that the UA was shelling civilians is a big fat lie promulgated by Putin. In fact it was a danger to his ambitions that a de facto truce had occurred, which is untenable to his ambitions.

Wow. Did not realize the woke libs had so much disdain for human life. Completely disregarding the damage Ukraine has done in Donbas for 8 years. 77? "independent UN investigators"? Wow. Most of the western citings state at least 14,000 dead with others, likely more accurate stating much more. This is besides the horrific conditions created for the people there. Just wow

You're now saying Russia does possess quite significant independent decision making abilities on which countries they want to invade and which they don't want to invade. I agree with that thought of yours, however temporary it may be.

I noticed you cited no sources. And, your 14,000 number is often cited for the last EIGHT years, not last THREE years, as XY clearly stated. Making things worse for you, many of those 14,000 were LNR/DNR forces. Of the remainder, roughly half were killed by Russian-supported forces - like the 298 citizens on MH17.

Didn't I post on this thread 2 or 3 days ago Ukraine needs to negotiate a way out of this? I just read a day and a half of posts. Not one post from you or the other pro-Ukrainian fanatics stating an Ukrainian victory is near. Since Ukraine has no plan to produce a Russian Unconditional Surrender, why is Prez Z getting up every morning and fighting a war for C.I.A. and U.S. State Department? U.S. D.o.D. never wanted this war and doesn't want this war. We recall from a year ago Congressperson Jackie Spierer (sp) wanted this war. To date: U.S. D.o.D. has turned u.s. chicken-hawks down for their request for No Fly Zone. To date: D.o.D. turned Biden down for modern tanks to Ukraine. To date: No U.S. regulars (non-special forces infantry battalions). It's impossible for Ukraine to win War of Attrition versus Russia. What do you pro-Ukrainian fanatics believe will occur? Do not bother posting about territory anymore. Clearly Russia is fighting a Body Count War. Don't respond by telling me Body Count Warfare is mean. This can all stop if President Z stops listening to C.I.A. and U.S. State Dept. Why isn't President Z putting the people of Ukraine first?

Sources? Lol. Neither did this guy. Just effin google it. Thats what you do. This conflict has not been going on for the last three years so what the hell limit to three years??? Many of those LNR/DNR "forces" are civilians!! You know, like a civilian militia! Are you really trying to minimize life loss?? you're despicable!

Ok, I googled it and found that over the last 8 years Russian supported separatists have killed more civilians in the Donbas than Ukrainian forces and that the overwhelming majority of these civilian deaths occurred in the first 5 years of the conflict. I also found that Russian shelling has killed far more civilians in the last 10 months than were killed in the last 8 years. Finally, I found that there are far more Nazis in Russia than in Ukraine. It sounds like Russia should have invaded themselves.

p.s. Putin is the one that seems entirely unconcerned with the 70,000 dead Russian soldiers that he is responsible for.

He is you f*cking monkey. Since Russia is hell bent on committing genocide, it seems prudent for Zelensky to do whatever it takes to prevent Russia from succeeding.

How many Russian soldiers is Putin willing to sacrifice to lose territory week-by-week? Do you think Putin will have an accident before or after Russia is booted from Crimea?

Try Google, not liberal uberfukgoogle. Perhaps you will finally realize the damage and murder incurred by Ukraine since 2014. If we are to continue with the cartoon-like information you're providing then you, Zelensky, and the rest of the woke outrage army seem to even more unconcerned about the 40,000,000 Ukrainian soldiers that have died.

To date: dozens of HIMARS and related rocket artillery systems sent to Ukraine that Russia can't touch. Have you seen what happens when the missiles land - exactly on target after a flight of 25 miles? First there's a Russian tank unit or artillery emplacement, and then POOF POOF POOF it's all gone, all the equipment is ruined and all the Russians are dead. It's absolutely devastating and Russia can do nothing to stop it.

To date: hundreds of 155 mm artillery pieces and hundreds of thousands of shells, including thousands of Excalibur rounds. When they air burst precisely on target, whole trenches full of Russian soldiers go from alive to dead. Tanks cook off, sending their turrets flying dozens of meters into the air. No exaggeration, it's all been recorded on video many, many times. Over 8500 documented losses of heavy weapons.

And this is all with NATO cast-offs and a small fraction of its military budget. The NATO economies can in fact keep this up for a very long time just for the LOLs and the sheer entertainment value. When you're trying to attack deeply fortified defenders like Russia is doing, you have to have a massive advantage in numbers and artillery and Russia hasn't had that since June. A recently escaped Ukrainian who was forced into the Russian army reports that he dug as many as 55 bodies or parts of bodies of Russian soldiers out of just 30 meters of trench.

It's also amply documented what happens when Russia is allowed to take over. If Russia attacks, you can risk your life to defend your home, or you can hope that the Russian soldiers won't rape you too often, won't kidnap all of your children, won't torture the ones who are left too long, and won't make your suffering last indefinitely before they kill you.

You and the other trolls have made your choice about what you would do in that situation. If the rest of us find your choice both ludicrous and disgusting, I'm sure you can figure out why. The Ukrainians are showing that not everyone will live as a coward and a traitor, and you can't bear the shame.

Many Russian people have lots to offer. Just like other people whose leaders chose invasion, be they German, Japanese, or USAmerican. That said, wars of aggression are hateful endeavors, and anyone who believes otherwise does indeed have little to offer.