This thread was deleted by a volunteer moderator. I certainly don't want a thread this big deleted so I've restored. THat being said, this thread has served it's purpose. I've closed it to new posts.
We have a new 2024 vaccine thread here. New people don't need to try to wade through 20,000 posts to figure out what is going on.
This is comically so American. Get a free donut, the $hit that makes your body, over time, more vulnerable to diseases and in need of pharmaceuticals & vaccines. What an embarrassment.
Dose makes the poison. Have you had a Krispy Kreme?
This is comically so American. Get a free donut, the $hit that makes your body, over time, more vulnerable to diseases and in need of pharmaceuticals & vaccines. What an embarrassment.
Yeah, no Covid vaccines here, mild Covid, no long Covid, no cardiovascular or neurological disease. Robust immunity. Eat extremely well, exercise, get plenty of natural vitamin D. I’m told by a pre-print that I should be nervous about autoimmunity. Lol. Color me a skeptic then. Or a cynic. Either one works.
NB: this anecdote does not extend to the 1M dead Americans.
Wow, color me utterly unshocked. Who is the one person here who has been alleging this very point for a few years now? That perhaps the “data” isn’t always worth the paper it’s printed on and why cynicism is healthy, even necessary, in rigorous science. “Keeping up with the lit” and promoting one pre-print paper at a time to support ideas like “Covid infection increases autoimmune risk” is utterly irresponsible and, frankly, disingenuous.
Omicron and her sub-lineages ended Covid.
No, but you have correctly described the vaccine cynic mentality.
Skepticism is an open-minded way of thinking about things. Cynicism, on the other hand, is close-minded because it is often a quick reaction or immediate belief that someone is being dishonest. Many scientists are – and should be – skeptical. Skepticism helps scientists critically analyze information and come up with solutions by testing different ideas. In a very basic sense, skepticism challenges views and questions if assumptions are correct or not. Cynicism focuses on the negative parts of a problem. It is good to be a little bit skeptical. It is not good to be cynical. Skeptical people want to have evidence of something before they will believe it is true. Cynical people do not trust any information that they do not personally agree with.
Agreed - if you have to discount the entire global medical research establishment to maintain your ideas; you might want to take a step back.
It's worth reading the actual preprint . Of note that the USA/Canada/Europe/Japan group had very low (< 5%) fake article rates compared to Russia/India/China/Brazil/Egypt (> 30%). Of note as well is that the latter group is where the most HCQ/IVM/random COVID therapies papers come from. But, I doubt a "skeptic" would allow themselves to be biased by such conclusions.
Background Integrity of academic publishing is increasingly undermined by fake science publications massively produced by commercial “editing services” (so-called “paper mills”). They use AI-supported, automated production te...
Yeah, no Covid vaccines here, mild Covid, no long Covid, no cardiovascular or neurological disease. Robust immunity. Eat extremely well, exercise, get plenty of natural vitamin D. I’m told by a pre-print that I should be nervous about autoimmunity. Lol. Color me a skeptic then. Or a cynic. Either one works.
NB: this anecdote does not extend to the 1M dead Americans.
Most of who either weren’t vaccinated and should’ve been as they were in the very risky groups (have I ever insisted otherwise?) or whose death was hastened by Remdesivir, ketamine, propofol, and midozolam.
Nuance is lost on you. Which is sad because I CAN tell you are a scientist. But you also adhere to orthodoxy.
NB: this anecdote does not extend to the 1M dead Americans.
Most of who either weren’t vaccinated and should’ve been as they were in the very risky groups (have I ever insisted otherwise?) or whose death was hastened by Remdesivir, ketamine, propofol, and midozolam.
Nuance is lost on you. Which is sad because I CAN tell you are a scientist. But you also adhere to orthodoxy.
And, btw, speaking of nuance, of those high risk people who absolutely refused to get vaxxed, we had a protocol that could’ve helped them instead of letting them die. But it wasn’t FDA approved as no RCT was run. It’s a shame so many dogmatic, conventional “scientific” physicians were unwilling to step away from the establishment but willing to let patients die. Dr. Richard Urso, for one, was a hero.
Most of who either weren’t vaccinated and should’ve been as they were in the very risky groups (have I ever insisted otherwise?) or whose death was hastened by Remdesivir, ketamine, propofol, and midozolam.
Nuance is lost on you. Which is sad because I CAN tell you are a scientist. But you also adhere to orthodoxy.
And, btw, speaking of nuance, of those high risk people who absolutely refused to get vaxxed, we had a protocol that could’ve helped them instead of letting them die. But it wasn’t FDA approved as no RCT was run. It’s a shame so many dogmatic, conventional “scientific” physicians were unwilling to step away from the establishment but willing to let patients die. Dr. Richard Urso, for one, was a hero.
COVID is over, because vaccination and infection have created sufficient immunity. Thousands will still die per year, but flu kills people too.
What trial would you have run? You can't just keep saying "we had options" but then refuse to tell what you think the testable options were?
Interesting you fail comment that your "evidence of mass fraud" papers implicated the countries where most the supporting evidence for your theories come from...
And, btw, speaking of nuance, of those high risk people who absolutely refused to get vaxxed, we had a protocol that could’ve helped them instead of letting them die. But it wasn’t FDA approved as no RCT was run. It’s a shame so many dogmatic, conventional “scientific” physicians were unwilling to step away from the establishment but willing to let patients die. Dr. Richard Urso, for one, was a hero.
COVID is over, because vaccination and infection have created sufficient immunity. Thousands will still die per year, but flu kills people too.
What trial would you have run? You can't just keep saying "we had options" but then refuse to tell what you think the testable options were?
Interesting you fail comment that your "evidence of mass fraud" papers implicated the countries where most the supporting evidence for your theories come from...
China and Turkey supported the use of steroids, budesonide, cypraheptadine, Singulair, vitamin D, heparin, Fluvoxamine, colchicine, etc in those groups of people who either WOULDN’T or COULDN’T get vaccinated? That’s news to me. Show me where that’s the case? Where are those papers?
Omicron infected enough people who were either vaccinated or convalescent to end this pandemic. You keep trying to paint me as an “anti-vaxxer,” but I’m not. I advocated vaccines for the most risky groups of people, who, in America are, unfortunately, a large part of the population. But not for the young and healthy. We had therapy for those who refused. But we let them die and we killed them in some cases, many cases.
COVID is over, because vaccination and infection have created sufficient immunity. Thousands will still die per year, but flu kills people too.
What trial would you have run? You can't just keep saying "we had options" but then refuse to tell what you think the testable options were?
Interesting you fail comment that your "evidence of mass fraud" papers implicated the countries where most the supporting evidence for your theories come from...
China and Turkey supported the use of steroids, budesonide, cypraheptadine, Singulair, vitamin D, heparin, Fluvoxamine, colchicine, etc in those groups of people who either WOULDN’T or COULDN’T get vaccinated? That’s news to me. Show me where that’s the case? Where are those papers?
Omicron infected enough people who were either vaccinated or convalescent to end this pandemic. You keep trying to paint me as an “anti-vaxxer,” but I’m not. I advocated vaccines for the most risky groups of people, who, in America are, unfortunately, a large part of the population. But not for the young and healthy. We had therapy for those who refused. But we let them die and we killed them in some cases, many cases.
If that makes me a cynic, then so be it.
I dont know? Most of the IVM/HCQ scam papers were from those countries though? Nice to hear to you start to lay out what your ideal treatment would be.
What trial would you run?
hadn't heard of people wanting colchicine - but hey some groups ran some trials:
Objective: We assessed the efficacy of colchicine in COVID-19 patients through a systematic review. Methods: Six databases were searched until March 2022 for studies assessing colchicine versus control in hospitalized patient...
Wow, color me utterly unshocked. Who is the one person here who has been alleging this very point for a few years now? That perhaps the “data” isn’t always worth the paper it’s printed on and why cynicism is healthy, even necessary, in rigorous science. “Keeping up with the lit” and promoting one pre-print paper at a time to support ideas like “Covid infection increases autoimmune risk” is utterly irresponsible and, frankly, disingenuous.
Omicron and her sub-lineages ended Covid.
There are loads of schlock in the scientific literature. Reputable labs in major universities generally do not fabricate results. There are exceptions.
Pretending like some large fraction of publications from R1 universities are fabricated is comical.
But sure, if you think Mark Davis made up the results in his lab's paper – go ahead and believe that.
No, but you have correctly described the vaccine cynic mentality.
Skepticism is an open-minded way of thinking about things. Cynicism, on the other hand, is close-minded because it is often a quick reaction or immediate belief that someone is being dishonest. Many scientists are – and should be – skeptical. Skepticism helps scientists critically analyze information and come up with solutions by testing different ideas. In a very basic sense, skepticism challenges views and questions if assumptions are correct or not. Cynicism focuses on the negative parts of a problem. It is good to be a little bit skeptical. It is not good to be cynical. Skeptical people want to have evidence of something before they will believe it is true. Cynical people do not trust any information that they do not personally agree with.
Agreed - if you have to discount the entire global medical research establishment to maintain your ideas; you might want to take a step back.
It's worth reading the actual preprint . Of note that the USA/Canada/Europe/Japan group had very low (< 5%) fake article rates compared to Russia/India/China/Brazil/Egypt (> 30%). Of note as well is that the latter group is where the most HCQ/IVM/random COVID therapies papers come from. But, I doubt a "skeptic" would allow themselves to be biased by such conclusions.
Bingo. If we are going to start discounting the American scientific established due to these claims, then we have to give up on the 'polypharmacy religion' as well. Literally all those papers were likely fabricated.
I wrote my protocol in this forum in, IIRC, May 2020. It was vitamin D3 and for those who were overweight or obese... dieting. My wife and I followed this protocol throughout the pandemic. I kept my D-level over 50 and up to 80 during the Delta wave. The allopathic "normal" range is 20-30. However, studies have shown that blacks, elderly, and obese all have low to very low vitamin D levels. Not coincidentally, these are the groups hardest hit by covid. A doctor told me that the typical senior (65+) who came into his practice had D levels of 15-17.
A study published in the last few months found that vitamin D was both preventive and reduced the risk of death/hospitalization. I think the prevention level was 70-something percent. I don't remember the death/hospitalization reduction.
Before we had vaccines, vitamin D was NEVER recommended. Losing weight if you were obese was NEVER recommended. Fauci had a bully pulpit every freaking day back in 2020 annd 2021. Every single interview, he stressed masks, social distancing, and once the vaccines were available, getting vaccinated. NEVER did he add, "And if you're obese, for goodness sakes, lose weight!"
Vitamin D isn’t even “polypharmacy,” it’s monopharmacy. Except it’s not even pharmacy at all. It was just common sense and damn good advice for the entire year before everyone even had access to a vaccine and boost. Exercise too.
A message from Dr. Plotnikoff: The evidence supporting vitamin D supplementation for COVID protection is now stronger than ever. Two highly reputable articles have just been published that affirm the importance of vitamin D i...
Objective Studies have demonstrated a potential correlation between low vitamin D status and both an increased risk of infection with SARS-CoV-2 and poorer clinical outcomes. This retrospective study examines if, and to what...
A study conducted on the effectiveness of the bivalent COVID-19 vaccine has surprised many at the Cleveland Clinic. The organization studied its employees to determine how the new bivalent vaccines stack up against some of the more prevalent COVID strains in circulation. The results weren’t what they expected. The study’s authors admit their surprise that the risk of COVID-19 increases with the number of vaccine doses you receive.
Yeah, no Covid vaccines here, mild Covid, no long Covid, no cardiovascular or neurological disease. Robust immunity. Eat extremely well, exercise, get plenty of natural vitamin D. I’m told by a pre-print that I should be nervous about autoimmunity. Lol. Color me a skeptic then. Or a cynic. Either one works.
NB: this anecdote does not extend to the 1M dead Americans.
You should update your figures. By now the vaccine has killed much more.
A study conducted on the effectiveness of the bivalent COVID-19 vaccine has surprised many at the Cleveland Clinic. The organization studied its employees to determine how the new bivalent vaccines stack up against some of the more prevalent COVID strains in circulation. The results weren’t what they expected. The study’s authors admit their surprise that the risk of COVID-19 increases with the number of vaccine doses you receive.
This has been well known for nearly 2 years. Vaccines destroy the natural human immune system. The more you get, the more health problems you will have.
Agreed - if you have to discount the entire global medical research establishment to maintain your ideas; you might want to take a step back.
It's worth reading the actual preprint . Of note that the USA/Canada/Europe/Japan group had very low (< 5%) fake article rates compared to Russia/India/China/Brazil/Egypt (> 30%). Of note as well is that the latter group is where the most HCQ/IVM/random COVID therapies papers come from. But, I doubt a "skeptic" would allow themselves to be biased by such conclusions.
Bingo. If we are going to start discounting the American scientific established due to these claims, then we have to give up on the 'polypharmacy religion' as well. Literally all those papers were likely fabricated.
Is this the scientific community we “cynics” are meant to trust…
A study conducted on the effectiveness of the bivalent COVID-19 vaccine has surprised many at the Cleveland Clinic. The organization studied its employees to determine how the new bivalent vaccines stack up against some of the more prevalent COVID strains in circulation. The results weren’t what they expected. The study’s authors admit their surprise that the risk of COVID-19 increases with the number of vaccine doses you receive.
This has been well known for nearly 2 years. Vaccines destroy the natural human immune system. The more you get, the more health problems you will have.
Before we had vaccines, vitamin D was NEVER recommended. Losing weight if you were obese was NEVER recommended.
Maybe not specifically for Covid, but vitamin D to mitigate infectious diseases has been a thing for most of a decade and obesity as a health risk has been a thing for many decades. Health officials have been spectacularly unsuccessful at getting people to implement the indicated life style changes.
Moreover, the choice we faced wasn't, "Vitamin D, healthy diet and exercise, vaccination against infectious disease, pick any two!"
