Official LRC President Joseph R Biden Thread

douglas burke wrote:

I have great confidence that the overwhelming majority of these Immigrants will be a great asset to our country and any that would be a Liability will be sent back to where they came from.

Could you be any more delusional?

The most popular POTUS ever! LOL

https://twitter.com/i/status/1439693958792237059

It's sweeping the nation.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1440173400853409809

trumpists continue to commit mass suicide to show fealty to their leader.

In doing so they are being used by COVID to slow the economy and be used as a test bed for COVID variants and therefore risk us all.

Last 7 days, CDC worst states deaths per capita all trumpist (GA sort of a half-exception):

ID

WY

TX

LA

AL

GA

SC

Measuring since the beginning of COVID, ranking states by per capita cases,

19 of the worst 22 states are trumpist.

and that's being generous - counting AZ and GA as blue. Count those two as red or hybrid and only RI is in the worst 22 states, per capita cases of COVID.

But trumpists are succeeding on their own terms - showing an oath to Trump and sticking middle fingers up - one to NYC/DC and the other to SF/LA. Clearly that flipping the bird is very valuable to them. Hope it was worth it.

Here is another link to the memo drafted to steal the election from Biden:

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/21066248/eastman-memo.pdf

Key pieces:

VP Pence, presiding over the joint session begins to open and count the ballots, starting with

Alabama

When he gets to Arizona, he announces that he has multiple slates of electors,

and so is going to defer decision on that until finishing the other States.

At the end, he announces that because of the ongoing disputes in the 7 States,

there are no electors that can be deemed validly appointed in those States.

There are at this point 232 votes for

Trump, 222 votes for Biden. Pence then gavels President Trump as re-elected.

Howls, of course, from the Democrats, who now claim, contrary to Tribe’s prior

position, that 270 is required.

That sends the matter to the House, where the “the votes shall be taken by states, the

representation from each state having one vote . . . .” Republicans currently

control 26 of the state delegations, the bare majority needed to win that vote.

President Trump is re-elected there as well.

we should not allow the Electoral Count Act constraint on

debate to control.

So someone – Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, etc. – should demand normal rules

(which includes the filibuster). That creates a stalemate that would give the

state legislatures more time to weigh in to formally support the alternate slate

of electors, if they had not already done so.

The main thing here is that Pence should do this without asking for permission

So, Pence was supposed to arbitrarily throw out 7 states that Biden won.

They'd announce Trump the winner by the end of the session.

It would have likely gone to the Supreme Court from there and even Trump appointed Justices would have likely thrown it out and send it back to Congress where Biden would eventually be confirmed as elected.

But Trump followers would then go nuts and say it was stolen from Trump (even more than they do now).

If this procedure was followed through, we would not have a country right now.

L L wrote:

So, Pence was supposed to arbitrarily throw out 7 states that Biden won.

They'd announce Trump the winner by the end of the session.

It would have likely gone to the Supreme Court from there and even Trump appointed Justices would have likely thrown it out and send it back to Congress where Biden would eventually be confirmed as elected.

But Trump followers would then go nuts and say it was stolen from Trump (even more than they do now).

If this procedure was followed through, we would not have a country right now.

90% likely that if in 2024 AZ or GA people vote for a dem for president, their right wing legislatures will claim fraud, send an alternate slate of electors and walk the country into civil war. If the right wing revolutionaries don't do that, then their idiot primary voters will kick them out of office next time around.

And there goes our democracy. One guy is ending it. Donald j Trump. Unbelievable.

The right wing in this country is a public menace.

They crime and crime and crime and crime.

R admins are always, always, massively corrupt.

No one to pardon them now.

A political strategist who was pardoned by the former president after being convicted in a 2012 campaign finance scheme is facing new charges related to an alleged 2016 plot to illegally funnel donations made by a Russian national to support then-candidate Donald Trump’s White House bid.

Jesse Benton, 43, who was previously a top aide to former congressman Ron Paul (R-Tex.) and Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) and later ran a pro-Trump super PAC, was charged this month, according to a federal indictment in Washington unsealed Monday. Also charged is Roy Douglas “Doug” Wead, 75, a conservative author and former special assistant to President George H.W. Bush.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/two-gop-operatives-one-pardoned-by-trump-indicted-in-campaign-finance-scheme-involving-russian-national/2021/09/20/19d2a0c6-1a68-11ec-a99a-5fea2b2da34b_story.html

Ghost of Disco Gary wrote:

The AZ audit final report will be released on Friday. It will show significant Biden voter fraud- more than enough votes to flip the state. As more states such as PA & GA complete their audits, I expect more of the same- the election was stolen and Trump won.

Countdown until fraud exposed: 3 days!!

Biden gets confused again.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1440323077288595465

It certainly might make sense - and not be "dumb" - if just about ANY other conservative/R was able to "tap into" the anger of some conservatives over being considered dumb by liberals.

BUT, a guy who ANYONE can see coming from a mile away "tapped into it." When you believe and support HIM, I have an impossible time rationalizing that as anything other than stupidity (and/or an utter and complete lack of principle).

I do hate when people try to kinda-sorta give Trumpers an out in this respect. You're either truly dumb/bad enough not to see his badness. Or, so utterly unprincipled that, while you see it, you ignore it because getting the libs is more important to you than honesty, decency, democracy, rule of law, etc.

I'm a serious NON-Hillary fan. But boy, that deplorables quote has (unfortunately) aged VERY, VERY well.

I do wonder if the Democrats REALLY understand the threat as they should? Critique:

If they really did, it seems to me that they'd put Priority #1 as governing in such a way as to minimize the chances of the Rs taking back either chamber in 2022. These aren't normal times, when one gets the POLICIES one likes in place while you can. There is a MUCH bigger threat than non-ideal (and always ephemeral) policies. But when I see multiple spending bills starting with a "T" - and comparatively little talk about voting rights legislation - I don't sense that kind of thinking. Bridges that don't fall down are important. Maintaining our democracy is nearly infinitely more important.

Are the Bidens and Pelosis and Schumers and Sanders and AOCs thinking this way? Am I missing something?

there's just no margin in either chamber to get anything done.

manchin and sinema will not allow any sort of real voting rights legislation

I'm not so clear on how the house is divided, but I suspect there are vulnerable democrats who can't vote for anything racially tinged like voting rights.

So we're stuck, hoping to survive. We are not blessed with great Democratic Party leaders who can stand up and explain what is going on. We have Pelosi, a backroom genius but everyone hates her, and Schumer, who isn't much of anything as far as I can tell.

What we really need is a voting rights bill and a revision of the law meant to deal with counting electoral votes.

But it won't happen - congress is too weak to do anything hard or important or needed. They've ceded power to the executive and judicial branches. Shame and could end our democracy.

the overarching story is that the nasty guys like the Jan 6 insurrectionists, the Nazis, the Bolsheviks, the ones who are braver and more daring, can beat the quiet reasonable democratic people. The Dem Party here is trying to play it nice while the barbarians are bashing down the doors and trying to kill cops. The Dem Party has to toughen up and move. Trump has told us exactly what he plans to do: Overturn elections and steal elections. And the Dems haven't shown the courage to stand up to him with force.

nonequals wrote:

I do wonder if the Democrats REALLY understand the threat as they should? Critique:

If they really did, it seems to me that they'd put Priority #1 as governing in such a way as to minimize the chances of the Rs taking back either chamber in 2022.

Are you kidding?

They are politicians.

Pelosi and Schumer have been there a hundred years each.

All they do is prioritize how to get themselves re-elected.

Hate to say it but governing well doesn't win elections.

What wins elections is scaring the hell out of people about what might happen if the other side wins.

In other words, campaigning.

(We really need term limits)

agip wrote:

Ghost of Disco Gary wrote:

The AZ audit final report will be released on Friday. It will show significant Biden voter fraud- more than enough votes to flip the state. As more states such as PA & GA complete their audits, I expect more of the same- the election was stolen and Trump won.

Countdown until fraud exposed: 3 days!!

New story that the Trump Campaign knew the fraud story was false right awaybut used it anyway, because idiots like Gary would believe it.

Gary how does that make you feel? That Trump knows you are a gullible idiot? And to prove him right? Make you feel stupid?

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Two weeks after the 2020 election, a team of lawyers closely allied with Donald J. Trump held a widely watched news conference at the Republican Party’s headquarters in Washington. At the event, they laid out a bizarre conspiracy theory claiming that a voting machine company had worked with an election software firm, the financier George Soros and Venezuela to steal the presidential contest from Mr. Trump.

But there was a problem for the Trump team, according to court documents released on Monday evening.

By the time the news conference occurred on Nov. 19, Mr. Trump’s campaign had already prepared an internal memo on many of the outlandish claims about the company, Dominion Voting Systems, and the separate software company, Smartmatic. The memo had determined that those allegations were untrue.

The court papers, which were initially filed late last week as a motion in a defamation lawsuit brought against the campaign and others by a former Dominion employee, Eric Coomer, contain evidence that officials in the Trump campaign were aware early on that many of the claims against the companies were baseless.

nonequals wrote:

I do wonder if the Democrats REALLY understand the threat as they should? Critique:

If they really did, it seems to me that they'd put Priority #1 as governing in such a way as to minimize the chances of the Rs taking back either chamber in 2022. These aren't normal times, when one gets the POLICIES one likes in place while you can. There is a MUCH bigger threat than non-ideal (and always ephemeral) policies. But when I see multiple spending bills starting with a "T" - and comparatively little talk about voting rights legislation - I don't sense that kind of thinking. Bridges that don't fall down are important. Maintaining our democracy is nearly infinitely more important.

Are the Bidens and Pelosis and Schumers and Sanders and AOCs thinking this way? Am I missing something?

Spending bills can be pushed through by budget reconciliation. Voting rights bills cannot. It's not like they are ignoring the latter. You have to first convince all 50 Senators to agree on removing filibuster on voting rights bills.

L L wrote:

Are you kidding?

They are politicians.

Pelosi and Schumer have been there a hundred years each.

All they do is prioritize how to get themselves re-elected.

Their seats in the Congress are secure. They are both from safe district / state.

What's at stake is their status as the Speaker / Majority Leader. They should be more concerned about other Dems getting reelected than their own reelection.