Another year for the women.
hachimachigo wrote:
Another year for the women.
Considering the majority of the competitors in the sport on the collegiately level are female, I don't see a problem with hiring more female coaches. It more accurately reflects the population.
When they consistently underperform compared to male counterparts I think it is a problem for the sport.
What are you humanoids complaining about female hires for again?
Texas and Purdue just hired white males.
hachimachigo wrote:
Another year for the women.
You mean as opposed to decades of then not being given any jobs at all?
Kevin Hadsell wrote:
hachimachigo wrote:
Another year for the women.
You mean as opposed to decades of then not being given any jobs at all?
I am all for hiring women... I mean 100% down for it. So much that I would hope one day gender isn’t a prerequisite. But, a prerequisite for any gender before landing a D1 job is to have some volunteer, GA or lower division collegiate coaching experience.. at least kinda pay some dues. Is that too much to ask? I would love for anyone to post a male D1 from the past 5 years That only had a year of high school coaching experience!
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forecasting tornados wrote:
Kevin Hadsell wrote:
You mean as opposed to decades of then not being given any jobs at all?
I am all for hiring women... I mean 100% down for it. So much that I would hope one day gender isn’t a prerequisite. But, a prerequisite for any gender before landing a D1 job is to have some volunteer, GA or lower division collegiate coaching experience.. at least kinda pay some dues. Is that too much to ask? I would love for anyone to post a male D1 from the past 5 years That only had a year of high school coaching experience!
Alan Webb
Kevin Hadsell wrote:
forecasting tornados wrote:
I am all for hiring women... I mean 100% down for it. So much that I would hope one day gender isn’t a prerequisite. But, a prerequisite for any gender before landing a D1 job is to have some volunteer, GA or lower division collegiate coaching experience.. at least kinda pay some dues. Is that too much to ask? I would love for anyone to post a male D1 from the past 5 years That only had a year of high school coaching experience!
Alan Webb
Scratch that. Just fact checked myself. He was a volunteer before UALR.
hachimachigo wrote:
When they consistently underperform compared to male counterparts I think it is a problem for the sport.
There are a ton of underperforming males as well. So try something else as your justification for being misogynistic.
All Mine wrote:
hachimachigo wrote:
When they consistently underperform compared to male counterparts I think it is a problem for the sport.
There are a ton of underperforming males as well. So try something else as your justification for being misogynistic.
So you do agree they underperform? When compared to equal similr positions women underperform at an alarming rate. Underperforming coaches of any gender should be fired also. Not enough turnover in this profession.
hachimachigo wrote:
All Mine wrote:
There are a ton of underperforming males as well. So try something else as your justification for being misogynistic.
So you do agree they underperform? When compared to equal similr positions women underperform at an alarming rate. Underperforming coaches of any gender should be fired also. Not enough turnover in this profession.
You are exactly what is wrong with this board, and this sport. How do you know these females are underperforming? Do you know the circumstance they are working under? Do you know how much scholarship they are working with? Do you know the kids they are working with? Do you know the environment created by the men above them? I’ve been around this business a long time, and coached along side a lot of women. Only 1 would I say truly underperformed....and we fired her. Like the old saying goes....if you aren’t in the huddle, you don’t know the play. I’m so tired of all the guys whining about women getting jobs. If you aren’t getting jobs, it’s more likely that you are the problem and should look for another career path.
welcome to reality wrote:
hachimachigo wrote:
So you do agree they underperform? When compared to equal similr positions women underperform at an alarming rate. Underperforming coaches of any gender should be fired also. Not enough turnover in this profession.
You are exactly what is wrong with this board, and this sport. How do you know these females are underperforming? Do you know the circumstance they are working under? Do you know how much scholarship they are working with? Do you know the kids they are working with? Do you know the environment created by the men above them? I’ve been around this business a long time, and coached along side a lot of women. Only 1 would I say truly underperformed....and we fired her. Like the old saying goes....if you aren’t in the huddle, you don’t know the play. I’m so tired of all the guys whining about women getting jobs. If you aren’t getting jobs, it’s more likely that you are the problem and should look for another career path.
I know they are under performing by looking at athlete performances. Many coaches are working with similar scholarship ratios at similar institutions. The athletes they work with is a direct relationship to how good of a recruiter they are or their ability to lead athletes. Many coaches have shitty heads and outperform the job.
hachimachigo wrote:
welcome to reality wrote:
You are exactly what is wrong with this board, and this sport. How do you know these females are underperforming? Do you know the circumstance they are working under? Do you know how much scholarship they are working with? Do you know the kids they are working with? Do you know the environment created by the men above them? I’ve been around this business a long time, and coached along side a lot of women. Only 1 would I say truly underperformed....and we fired her. Like the old saying goes....if you aren’t in the huddle, you don’t know the play. I’m so tired of all the guys whining about women getting jobs. If you aren’t getting jobs, it’s more likely that you are the problem and should look for another career path.
I know they are under performing by looking at athlete performances. Many coaches are working with similar scholarship ratios at similar institutions. The athletes they work with is a direct relationship to how good of a recruiter they are or their ability to lead athletes. Many coaches have shitty heads and outperform the job.
Success is measured in many ways. No two schools are alike and no two situations are alike. At the end of the day, the measure of success is between the coach and their boss. There are more measures than championships. Are the kids happy (quickly becoming the most-important factor)? Does the coach stay in budget and bring in athletes to add to the student body (also quickly becoming more important). It doesn’t matter how successful you are, people on this board will always anonymously bash and claim they can do better.
Female coaches are in short supply. Giving them an opportunity to coach and learn on the job is no different than how many of us men got into coaching 30 years ago. You cannot make a blanket statement that women underperform compared to their male counterparts. It is simply not true. There are a lot of great female head coaches and assistant coaches out there right now.
Really what is happening is that there is a finite number of jobs to be had. Women getting hired makes it that much more competitive for the men and that is what scares a lot of men. Easy to blame women for taking those jobs when, in reality, the issue is raising the bar for the men to the point where a lot of guys are afraid of the increased competition with other men now.
Kevin Hadsell wrote:
hachimachigo wrote:
I know they are under performing by looking at athlete performances. Many coaches are working with similar scholarship ratios at similar institutions. The athletes they work with is a direct relationship to how good of a recruiter they are or their ability to lead athletes. Many coaches have shitty heads and outperform the job.
Success is measured in many ways. No two schools are alike and no two situations are alike. At the end of the day, the measure of success is between the coach and their boss. There are more measures than championships. Are the kids happy (quickly becoming the most-important factor)? Does the coach stay in budget and bring in athletes to add to the student body (also quickly becoming more important). It doesn’t matter how successful you are, people on this board will always anonymously bash and claim they can do better.
Female coaches are in short supply. Giving them an opportunity to coach and learn on the job is no different than how many of us men got into coaching 30 years ago. You cannot make a blanket statement that women underperform compared to their male counterparts. It is simply not true. There are a lot of great female head coaches and assistant coaches out there right now.
Really what is happening is that there is a finite number of jobs to be had. Women getting hired makes it that much more competitive for the men and that is what scares a lot of men. Easy to blame women for taking those jobs when, in reality, the issue is raising the bar for the men to the point where a lot of guys are afraid of the increased competition with other men now.
Well said!
Kevin Hadsell wrote:
hachimachigo wrote:
I know they are under performing by looking at athlete performances. Many coaches are working with similar scholarship ratios at similar institutions. The athletes they work with is a direct relationship to how good of a recruiter they are or their ability to lead athletes. Many coaches have shitty heads and outperform the job.
Success is measured in many ways. No two schools are alike and no two situations are alike. At the end of the day, the measure of success is between the coach and their boss. There are more measures than championships. Are the kids happy (quickly becoming the most-important factor)? Does the coach stay in budget and bring in athletes to add to the student body (also quickly becoming more important). It doesn’t matter how successful you are, people on this board will always anonymously bash and claim they can do better.
Female coaches are in short supply. Giving them an opportunity to coach and learn on the job is no different than how many of us men got into coaching 30 years ago. You cannot make a blanket statement that women underperform compared to their male counterparts. It is simply not true. There are a lot of great female head coaches and assistant coaches out there right now.
Really what is happening is that there is a finite number of jobs to be had. Women getting hired makes it that much more competitive for the men and that is what scares a lot of men. Easy to blame women for taking those jobs when, in reality, the issue is raising the bar for the men to the point where a lot of guys are afraid of the increased competition with other men now.
In a sport of statistics you absolutely can compare and see that women are underperforming. I do not think men fear open job competition, but when the top qualifications for a job are a year of personal training, or recruiting a roster of a full 7 for cross, or working at a bar it is hard to stomach. The very notion of hiring someone to learn on the job can a seasoned coach would only further the argument for them to underperform. Would it not?
hachimachigo wrote:
Kevin Hadsell wrote:
Success is measured in many ways. No two schools are alike and no two situations are alike. At the end of the day, the measure of success is between the coach and their boss. There are more measures than championships. Are the kids happy (quickly becoming the most-important factor)? Does the coach stay in budget and bring in athletes to add to the student body (also quickly becoming more important). It doesn’t matter how successful you are, people on this board will always anonymously bash and claim they can do better.
Female coaches are in short supply. Giving them an opportunity to coach and learn on the job is no different than how many of us men got into coaching 30 years ago. You cannot make a blanket statement that women underperform compared to their male counterparts. It is simply not true. There are a lot of great female head coaches and assistant coaches out there right now.
Really what is happening is that there is a finite number of jobs to be had. Women getting hired makes it that much more competitive for the men and that is what scares a lot of men. Easy to blame women for taking those jobs when, in reality, the issue is raising the bar for the men to the point where a lot of guys are afraid of the increased competition with other men now.
In a sport of statistics you absolutely can compare and see that women are underperforming. I do not think men fear open job competition, but when the top qualifications for a job are a year of personal training, or recruiting a roster of a full 7 for cross, or working at a bar it is hard to stomach. The very notion of hiring someone to learn on the job can a seasoned coach would only further the argument for them to underperform. Would it not?
If that is the trend in the profession then that is the trend in the profession. You can complain all you want but you have the choice to choose another profession. There’s nothing wrong with hiring someone that more closely resembles the demographic of the people he/she/they are leading. Let’s not act like these women getting hired are randomly plucked off the street with zero knowledge about their event area.
I also do not agree that men aren’t afraid of the increased completion for jobs. They are human. Of course that is a concern.
Looking at the jobs filled by females this summer...of which you seem to be complaining....these are primarily entry level jobs in DI (or lower). If you are bitter about this, you fall under one of three categories:
1) You are an experienced coach at this level, and are unemployed....which means you and/or the staff around you underperformed, and now you find yourself as a disgruntled, unemployed, has-been. If this is you, look in the mirror.
2) You are a high school, club, or some other level of coach who has applied for many of these jobs to get your foot in the door of college XC/TF. If this is you, you have no grounds to judge the performance of these coaches you say under perform, as there are variables you can’t possibly understand from outside. Also, and this is unfortunate, many head coaches give very little value to your experience at other levels, because the variables are so different. So, in their eyes, you are no different than that female with one year of HS....except they haven’t had time to develop a false sense of ego about their ability to get it done at this level.
3) You’re a blatant sexist who probably votes for Trump, doesn’t wear a mask, thinks the democrats invented corona virus, and still doesn’t understand the Black Lives Matter movement, preaching “All Lives Matter” with ignorance and conviction! If this is you....you don’t belong in this sport.
0-3 on that one bud especially the last one.
Kevin I’m glad to see that you conceded