Ultrarunning Judge wrote:
Mimi Anderson is training to run across America.
Her training weeks = 248 miles
Amy's = 350
Make of that what you will.
Are you seriously comparing a 30 year old in their prime to a 55 yr old has been?
Of course the younger body can take more punishment, its science.
Nik Bidoh wrote:
Ultrarunning Judge wrote:Mimi Anderson is training to run across America.
Her training weeks = 248 miles
Amy's = 350
Make of that what you will.
Are you seriously comparing a 30 year old in their prime to a 55 yr old has been?
Of course the younger body can take more punishment, its science.
I'm comparing someone who does these events to someone who is guessing what it would take.
Are you seriously comparing a 30 year old in their prime to a 55 yr old has been?
Of course the younger body can take more punishment, its science.
Amy Hughes is in her prime?
She can't even run in a straight line. (See mud run)
Doesn't Millet have the video, but just won't release it?It is my understanding that "CCTV" is ubiquitous in the U.K., and no place has more cameras than a Shopping Centre. In fact, the police will monitor suspected shoplifters from camera to camera as they move between stores until they are confident they have video proof for the Crown Prosecutor. Maybe Scam Watcheroo could look into obtaining CCTV footage.
Arthur Guinness wrote:
Wouldn't it be ironic... wrote:What if Millet realeases all 24/7 of live-steaming and it turns out she did only sleep 3 hours/night and do some fast 10ks on day 5, and did in fact set a world record, and Guiness decides SW's computer algorithm is good enough for them, and they certify the record?
Nope. That's not how it works.
Amy and Dave failed to provide prove. There were no witnesses, there are no notes, no 24/7 live streaming, nothing.
Just a big bold claim.
The issue is, that without the video evidence and logs etc. it is impossible to prove or disprove that Amy actually ran the 521 miles claimed.
That said, based on my knowledge and experience as a qualified endurance coach who has coached athletes up to national standard, I feel that achieving what she claims would be beyond most people of a similar race history and physical condition. That is not saying that it couldn't be done, just that it is very unlikely and I would need to see evidence to be convinced.
YorkieCoach wrote:
The issue is, that without the video evidence and logs etc. it is impossible to prove or disprove that Amy actually ran the 521 miles claimed.
Without evidence there is no proof and therefor no record. It could not be clearer.
Amy can claim whatever she wants but since she can't prove it, nobody except her small group of friends will believe it.
Runner 2435 wrote:
Without evidence there is no proof and therefor no record. It could not be clearer.
Amy can claim whatever she wants but since she can't prove it, nobody except her small group of friends will believe it.
Agreed. The original issue that she claimed was that the GWR were being unjust in not awarding her the WR. Investigations quickly showed that Amy and her support crew had not met the most basic verification requirements of a WR attempt and therefore, there was no injustice and GWR were correct to reject her claim.
The analysis of the available videos has shown, as suspected, that she failed short of the required mileage in the videos. It would be great if Millet Sports could release all the videos they have. This would allow interested parties to quickly clarify whether Amy was able to make up those lost miles by adding in a few fast 5k / 10k runs during the attempt.
In relation to the claims made that she was running a 350 mile training week in the lead up to the event. I can honestly say that I have never and I mean NEVER, heard of any ultra runner who trains up to 350 miles in a week. The load on the body would far exceed the body's ability to recover and refuel. I have no doubt that she would be physically and mentally broken by such a training volume. I can only think of a small handful of runners globally who *might* be able to cope with a similar load. These athletes are of a very good calibre and have been running multi-day ultra events for years. Even then, it would be a tall ask for them and due to the very high chance of injury, would never attempt such a crazy week for training.
In relation to the 53 in 53...given the anecdotal evidence I have received I would need to see hard evidence / Strava, Garmin Connect, Map my Run data. Without that, I could say with any degree of confidence is that she ran 53 long runs of varied distance on 53 consecutive days.
Wouldn't it be ironic... wrote:
What if Millet realeases all 24/7 of live-steaming and it turns out she did only sleep 3 hours/night and do some fast 10ks on day 5, and did in fact set a world record, and Guiness decides SW's computer algorithm is good enough for them, and they certify the record?
As my Gran used to say "If we had eggs, we could have bacon and eggs, if we had bacon"
Let's raise some awareness for this awesome petition. They are bumbling along with 2412 signers but they want to reach 2500 so badly.
PS:
If they reach 2500, Amy and Dave get a free Guinness.
Amy forever wrote:
Let's raise some awareness for this awesome petition. They are bumbling along with 2412 signers but they want to reach 2500 so badly.
https://www.change.org/p/guiness-world-recoward-amy-hughes-53marathons-her-rightful-place-in-the-guiness-world-recordsrds-aPS:
If they reach 2500, Amy and Dave get a free Guinness.
And I'll buy Amy an award that I found at the dollar store.
The next scam will be announced shortly. We keep you posted.
ExpertKipWatcher wrote:
As my Gran used to say "If we had eggs, we could have bacon and eggs, if we had bacon"
Ha, that is a great line! I'm stealing it. :)
Amy forever wrote:
Let's raise some awareness for this awesome petition. They are bumbling along with 2412 signers but they want to reach 2500 so badly.
https://www.change.org/p/guiness-world-recoward-amy-hughes-53marathons-her-rightful-place-in-the-guiness-world-recordsrds-aPS:
If they reach 2500, Amy and Dave get a free Guinness.
Haven't they given up with that petition? Amy stopped asking people to sign it once she got found out here and there is no momentum behind it. The person who set it up has also gone quiet on the subject.
I guess they won't bother submitting it to Guinness and the Norwegian supporters will forget about it.
Amy is probably hoping that this will blow over and she can return to normal. What she may not realise is that she can never again make an outrageous endurance claim without receiving detailed scrutiny and questioning.
As was said many pages ago, Amy Hughes' career as a stunt runner is over and her charity will fold, unless she is able to deliver a verifiable performance that will prove her credentials as a world leading multi day endurance athlete. All the evidence suggests that she will not be able to do that.
ExpertKipWatcher wrote:
Wouldn't it be ironic... wrote:What if Millet realeases all 24/7 of live-steaming and it turns out she did only sleep 3 hours/night and do some fast 10ks on day 5, and did in fact set a world record, and Guiness decides SW's computer algorithm is good enough for them, and they certify the record?
As my Gran used to say "If we had eggs, we could have bacon and eggs, if we had bacon"
Guys, a few things we can agree on:
1. Amy can be very cute in photographs
2. She's not that smart.
3. She was in the treadmill for a long time.
4. She likely traveled between 400-495 miles.
5. The treadmill would reset after a certain distance.
6. Her BF kept track of the numbers.
I've been following this thread from the beginning. After reading Watchero's analysis here is my theory: Amy really thinks she did it.
Her BF knew she was behind, fibbed on some numbers and three some confetti on her at the end. It was a lie he got caught on and now can't go back on.
Yes they are the equivalent of the medicine man of old, getting gullible people to pay them for things of no value, but my belief is her BF told her (lied to her) that she got it.
The question is now: does she still believe him? Has he privately told her he "accidentally" slipped up on the math? Is there trouble in paradise?
Once A Coach wrote:
I've been following this thread from the beginning. After reading Watchero's analysis here is my theory: Amy really thinks she did it.
Her BF knew she was behind, fibbed on some numbers and three some confetti on her at the end. It was a lie he got caught on and now can't go back on.
I think Amy knew she was lying and worked with Dave to make up the story about the fake fast 5k/10k runs. She knew she was behind on the world record pace from day 1.
Also, I just realized that if you take Amy Hughes claim of 62.1 miles covered in day 1 and divide it by the 18 hours she says she ran on the day, you get an average speed of 3.45 mph which is the same as that of each of the 12-hour video average speeds for Sept. 6th and Sept. 7th. I think this lends further support that Amy Hughes was really only averaging 3.45 mph overall and that my 3.61 mph calculation is a bit on the high side due to skewing from the short video speeds.
There is no way this woman was on a treadmill for 20 hours a day for seven days. It didn't happen. She didn't come anywhere close to 500 miles. It's one thing to give someone the benefit of the doubt, but you guys are acting like a 12 hour sample is enough to determine what happened for an entire week.
One look at her compared to other long distance runners is enough to show the truth. Use some common sense please.
The calculated 473.6 - 495.3 miles from the video analysis (based on 19 hours and 20 hours per day running, respectively) of Amy Hughes is contingent that she didn't engage in other acts of cheating in the missing live stream videos and that she is being truthful with her claims of running between 18-20 hours each day.
I think she did do a decent amount of running and spent a decent amount of hours on the treadmill but unless we are able to obtain other evidence, we will have to work with her claim of 18-20 hours per day spent getting mileage. Her true average time spent on the treadmill could be closer to 18 hours per day rather than 19 or 20 but my calculations have a sizable amount of a benefit of the doubt built in to avoid the possibility that we underestimate what she did, which would be counter productive.
Scam_Watcheroo wrote:
The calculated 473.6 - 495.3 miles from the video analysis (based on 19 hours and 20 hours per day running, respectively) of Amy Hughes is contingent that she didn't engage in other acts of cheating in the missing live stream videos and that she is being truthful with her claims of running between 18-20 hours each day.
I think she did do a decent amount of running and spent a decent amount of hours on the treadmill but unless we are able to obtain other evidence, we will have to work with her claim of 18-20 hours per day spent getting mileage. Her true average time spent on the treadmill could be closer to 18 hours per day rather than 19 or 20 but my calculations have a sizable amount of a benefit of the doubt built in to avoid the possibility that we underestimate what she did, which would be counter productive.
Do you believe she ran 500 miles? 450? 400?
Honestly, in your opinion, how far do you think she ran? You don't have to back it up with science. There is no evidence of her running history anyway (her claiming to run 350 miles a week as training is similarly ludicrous).
I think she certainly did above 400 miles with 410-430 miles being realistic if we assume she is overly exaggerating how much time she actually spent on the treadmill. This could all be easily answered if only Millet Sports would release the YouTube links for the missing videos.
Scam_Watcheroo wrote:
I think she certainly did above 400 miles with 410-430 miles being realistic if we assume she is overly exaggerating how much time she actually spent on the treadmill. This could all be easily answered if only Millet Sports would release the YouTube links for the missing videos.
400 seems like a good benchmark. Again - we're not doubting that she didn't run a lot, but merely didn't hit the record and can't prove that she did.
But, there's a lot of money to be made in martyrdom.