Trollminator wrote:
Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:
https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/17/politics/north-carolina-court-blocks-voter-id-law/index.htmlThe POS Rs in that state have been at this for as long as I could remember
How dare they try to stop Democrat fraud at the ballot box! Cheating is the only way for the Democrats to stand a chance.
Resist Dementia Joe.
Trumpist conspiracy-monger multi-millionaire pays off russian honeypot spy to keep secret his betrayal of America.
This is not how to make american great. Everything trump touches dies.
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Insider can reveal that Butina has not severed all her connections with the US. She has received large sums of money in the last year from Patrick Byrne, 59, the former CEO of online furniture retailer Overstock.com and Donald Trump supporter and conspiracy theorist.
When asked about the monetary gifts, Byrne told Insider, in an email: "I made a gift to Maria out of a desire to let her land on her feet and restart her life in Russia."
Byrne and Butina had been in a romantic relationship, and Byrne later claimed that he had been passing information on his lover to the FBI.
Federal prosecutors said that Butina traded sex-for-favors while networking in political circles in Washington DC.
Butina formed a romantic relationship with Paul Erickson, 59, a longtime Republican strategist and guns-rights activist, who she met in Moscow in 2013 and with who she also lived for some time.
Lyin’ Biden killing innocent Afghans and their 7 children, hiding thousands of illegal immigrants under bridges, fda rejecting wh COVID measures and more. Another failed week for dementia joe. And what does he do? Go on vacation AGAIN? 👎👎👎👎👎
This admin has been a clown show. 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤡🤡🤡🤡
Just remember how many lies the GOP has based its campaigns on.
The Durham report found nothing wrong with the origins of the FBI investigation of trump. The only possible bad act they found took well after the investigation started and is a deeply questionable accusation.
No, Hillary did not have a serious illness during the campaign
No, Hillary did not keep sex slaves in a pizza parlor dungeon
No, the 2020 election was not fraudulent
No, Pence had no power to reject the electoral college
No, joe biden is not corrupt
No, Joe biden is not senile.
No, a vaccine is not a plan to instill tyranny.
No, the US does not have an 'open border' policy and hasn't had one for many generations.
I could go on.
GOP has little but lies - yet a third of the country willingly accepts what they say. Total idiots and they are dying from this.
I have to think, 50 years from now, historians will look at how russian and chinese intelligence services brought down a mighty nation by constantly inflaming them with lies. Social media could be the most powerful force on the planet right now.
Well, third grade is a step up for the GOP. Congrats, boys and girls. You made it out of kindergarten! Next up: Punishment for lying and insurrection!
Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) personally investigated former President Trump's claims of electoral fraud in the days following the 2020 election and found them to be elementary and lacking in substance, according to a new book by journalists Bob Woodward and Robert Costa.
After pressing the White House and Trump's legal team for evidence to support the former president's claims of a "rigged" election, Graham privately described Trump's efforts as suitable for "third grade," The Washington Post, citing the new book, "Peril," reported on Monday
as usual, anti-democracy rules in America.
As usual, many millions of Americans would prefer the Dems control congress, but because of our crazy system and Democratic huddling in the cities, the minority party will most likely control congress next year and do what it can to destroy the Biden presidency. The one the American people support.
The generic ballot has the Dems ahead 43-41, but that's not nearly enough for the Dems to defend congress.
How long can democracy last when the minority party rules the nation so often? Since 1998 the Rs have won the popular vote for president ONCE. Yet they control SCOTUS, president half the time, and usually both houses of congress.
Serious question - how long can democracy last when we are being ruled by a party we didn't vote for? Empires like the US don't last when the majority is forced to live like the minority wants it to live. There's not much in it for the majority if it keeps outvoting the minority but keeps losing control of government.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-generic-ballot-polls/
whoops that's since 1988, not 1998.
The $3.5T porkulus bill will not pass unless it's radically slimmed down. Manchin will not approve in its current state.
The AZ audit final report will be released on Friday. It will show significant Biden voter fraud- more than enough votes to flip the state. As more states such as PA & GA complete their audits, I expect more of the same- the election was stolen and Trump won.
Ghost of Disco Gary wrote:
The AZ audit final report will be released on Friday. It will show significant Biden voter fraud- more than enough votes to flip the state. As more states such as PA & GA complete their audits, I expect more of the same- the election was stolen and Trump won.
yeah, as I thought, gary hasn't made it out of second grade yet.
keep working at it, gary! You can do it!
another reason the minority party rules the nation year after year:
the majority party is utterly terrible at politics.
here, Joe Biden has reduced child poverty by something like 40% but NO ONE KNOWS THIS BECAUSE THE DEMS WOULD HATE TO BRAG OR ANYTHING.
It's insane how bad the Dems are at politics.
Perch wrote:
nonequals wrote:
Yes, I'm sure that you're an expert on it. The President or SECDEF or Combatant Commander, or......down the line can gather whomever they want in a room to get advice on a military action. This does not mean that the SECSTATE is in the chain of command on a military strike. He/she simply isn't.
Moreover, if you expect a career diplomat (sometimes at best, notably to include Hillary) to be able to provide any meaningful assistance to a very difficult process of deciding who the bad guys are, where they are at a particular moment, and whether it's possible and reasonably safe to strike them, you know far, far less about this topic than you think. Sure, he could chime in on, say, what the geopolitical implications would be of making the strike - whether it failed or succeeded. But in terms of tactically getting it right and/or doing the after action when it goes wrong? Zero.
CT strike screwed up? You've got LOTS of folks to ask about that before the SECSTATE. And very likely never.
And I'll put it another way. Would you have really wanted Hillary Clinton - smart lady who married a very capable man, hung on, and then obtained high offices for which she was unqualified - playing much of a role in deciding whether or not a bunch of SEALS could and should perform a very dangerous raid in Pakistan? Like me, I doubt it. Same with Antony Blinken and a given CT strike in Kabul.
Well, you're just wrong. SecState is always part of that decision making process. Not from a tactical sense but from a strategic sense. As in, how will the govt of the country involved respond? How will our adversaries (Russia/China) respond? How will our allies respond? That's SecState's province. Sure, SecState isn't deciding which military capability is used but he/she is most definitely in the room, providing input and privy to the entire process. Not making the final decision but assuredly providing an opinion. And Blinken was rightfully asked about the results of that strike. Sorry you don't understand the process better.
I think I remember you now. Aren't you the one who claims to be a conservative but is actually a poser? Acting like a conservative but actually an alter ego? I'm pretty sure you are. I figured that out once before but then forgot about you. Nice job though, you fooled me for a bit this time. Well played.
I've since realized that it's even worse for your position. Do you even know that this strike was discussed at the national level? News flash, we've been blowing things up on a daily/hourly basis since 9/11. All of those strikes weren't approved at the freakin' POTUS level. Bin Laden was special, obviously. Do you know how many experienced flags there are between a Reaper and the POTUS ?
Bottom line: You're lame. Instead of staying with legitimate things to criticize Biden's SECSTATE about (HINT: You might be able to find some OTHER things in AFG in the last month or two), you want to stupidly/ignorantly tie him to a freakin' drone strike. Just dumb.
And whether you believe that I'm a conservative or not is COMPLETELY irrelevant.
Hey, agip's back! That's good news. This thread has mostly devolved into the battle of the crazies (with nonequals occasionally showing up to interject some reality).
nonequals wrote:
Perch wrote:
Well, you're just wrong. SecState is always part of that decision making process. Not from a tactical sense but from a strategic sense. As in, how will the govt of the country involved respond? How will our adversaries (Russia/China) respond? How will our allies respond? That's SecState's province. Sure, SecState isn't deciding which military capability is used but he/she is most definitely in the room, providing input and privy to the entire process. Not making the final decision but assuredly providing an opinion. And Blinken was rightfully asked about the results of that strike. Sorry you don't understand the process better.
I think I remember you now. Aren't you the one who claims to be a conservative but is actually a poser? Acting like a conservative but actually an alter ego? I'm pretty sure you are. I figured that out once before but then forgot about you. Nice job though, you fooled me for a bit this time. Well played.
I've since realized that it's even worse for your position. Do you even know that this strike was discussed at the national level? News flash, we've been blowing things up on a daily/hourly basis since 9/11. All of those strikes weren't approved at the freakin' POTUS level. Bin Laden was special, obviously. Do you know how many experienced flags there are between a Reaper and the POTUS ?
Bottom line: You're lame. Instead of staying with legitimate things to criticize Biden's SECSTATE about (HINT: You might be able to find some OTHER things in AFG in the last month or two), you want to stupidly/ignorantly tie him to a freakin' drone strike. Just dumb.
And whether you believe that I'm a conservative or not is COMPLETELY irrelevant.
I was curious, so I looked. Hard to pin it down from the reporting, but sure looks like authorization for this strike went no higher than CENTCOM, and maybe not even that high (based on Milley's comment below). From Military Times:
Milley: “In a dynamic high-threat environment, the commanders on the ground had appropriate authority and had reasonable certainty that the target was valid, but after deeper post-strike analysis our conclusion is that innocent civilians were killed.”
McKenzie: "“So the cumulative force of ... the intelligence that we gathered throughout the day, the position of the vehicle, its nearness to the airport, the imminence of the threat, and the other signals that we were getting throughout the day, all led us to the moment of deciding to take the strike."
Of course, regardless - even if authorization somehow went all the way to the NCA - my Bottom Line above still fully applies. When you pile on the SECSTATE, of all people, about this strike, you lose a hell of a lot of credibility.
Real Obvi wrote:
Hey, agip's back! That's good news. This thread has mostly devolved into the battle of the crazies (with nonequals occasionally showing up to interject some reality).
Thank you. The feeling is mutual !
Why do liberals feel that calling conservatives dumb accomplishes anything? It is one of the main sources of the anger that Trump tapped into. This disdain and focus on perceived intelligence foments this kind of reaction. Hillary doomed herself with the deplorables quote. Conservative Republicans are not crazy and treating them this way is why they hate liberals and coastal elites. Try walking a mile in their shoes. The world has reduced their opportunities and it is no surprise they long for a now passed status quo. The liberals on this board are so full of themselves. The conservatives by and large don't have 400K college debt that they want the government to forgive. Mike Rowe was on Fox today and quoted 1.75 billion dollars of college debt. Much of this was in search of jobs that don't exist anymore. The everybody goes to college and gets coerced by liberalism is an anachronism which needs to be extinguished. Other jobs exist which don't require $75,000 liberal arts educations.
Ihatejoe wrote:
Why do liberals feel that calling conservatives dumb accomplishes anything? It is one of the main sources of the anger that Trump tapped into. This disdain and focus on perceived intelligence foments this kind of reaction. Hillary doomed herself with the deplorables quote. Conservative Republicans are not crazy and treating them this way is why they hate liberals and coastal elites. Try walking a mile in their shoes. The world has reduced their opportunities and it is no surprise they long for a now passed status quo. The liberals on this board are so full of themselves. The conservatives by and large don't have 400K college debt that they want the government to forgive. Mike Rowe was on Fox today and quoted 1.75 billion dollars of college debt. Much of this was in search of jobs that don't exist anymore. The everybody goes to college and gets coerced by liberalism is an anachronism which needs to be extinguished. Other jobs exist which don't require $75,000 liberal arts educations.
Fair points to some extent. I would say completely fair points except that I don't think that liberals have generally been calling conservatives dumb. I think that liberals have been calling Trump supporters dumb, especially since Jan 6. But I don't think that the "dumb" epithet is meant to apply to real conservatives.
Most liberals that I know don't think that fiscal or social conservatism are comprised of dumb ideas. They may often disagree but they recognize the value of traditional/conservative practices. They do not, however, respect insurrection, lies without interruption or a POTUS who very clearly cares about nothing whatsoever other than himself. It is those who continue to follow such a man who are called dumb, not conservatives.
Now you may claim that calling such a large block of people dumb does nothing helpful and causes great harm. You may be right. But please don't call the targets of such disdain conservatives. They are not. They are Trumpettes.
Here is the memo for Trump’s plan to steal the election.
http://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2021/images/09/20/eastman.memo.pdf
As Pence was to preside over the counting of the electoral votes, he was to claim 7 states sent multiple slates of electors.
Then he would throw those states electoral votes out. (Of course, these would be states that voted for Biden)
After the tally, neither candidate would have 270 electoral votes.
At that point, there would be a vote from the House representatives of each state.
Republicans had a majority in 26 states.
So if everyone voted on party lines, Trump would then be re-elected.
I am not making this up.
Real Obvi wrote:
Ihatejoe wrote:
Why do liberals feel that calling conservatives dumb accomplishes anything? It is one of the main sources of the anger that Trump tapped into. This disdain and focus on perceived intelligence foments this kind of reaction. Hillary doomed herself with the deplorables quote. Conservative Republicans are not crazy and treating them this way is why they hate liberals and coastal elites. Try walking a mile in their shoes. The world has reduced their opportunities and it is no surprise they long for a now passed status quo. The liberals on this board are so full of themselves. The conservatives by and large don't have 400K college debt that they want the government to forgive. Mike Rowe was on Fox today and quoted 1.75 billion dollars of college debt. Much of this was in search of jobs that don't exist anymore. The everybody goes to college and gets coerced by liberalism is an anachronism which needs to be extinguished. Other jobs exist which don't require $75,000 liberal arts educations.
Fair points to some extent. I would say completely fair points except that I don't think that liberals have generally been calling conservatives dumb. I think that liberals have been calling Trump supporters dumb, especially since Jan 6. But I don't think that the "dumb" epithet is meant to apply to real conservatives.
Most liberals that I know don't think that fiscal or social conservatism are comprised of dumb ideas. They may often disagree but they recognize the value of traditional/conservative practices. They do not, however, respect insurrection, lies without interruption or a POTUS who very clearly cares about nothing whatsoever other than himself. It is those who continue to follow such a man who are called dumb, not conservatives.
Now you may claim that calling such a large block of people dumb does nothing helpful and causes great harm. You may be right. But please don't call the targets of such disdain conservatives. They are not. They are Trumpettes.
agreed, it's just trumpists who are stupid. They fall for every autocrat trick in the book and seem happy to do it.
They let russia and Fox lead them around like a sheep so they think it's somehow virtuous to sacrifice their lives to show allegiance to Trump.
The dumb part of actual conservatives is that they have been convinced to vote against their own self interest. They vote against better health care so rich people can get big tax breaks. I mean the fact that poor states like AL, KY, and MS consistently vote to benefit rich people in the Northeast and California...is completely bewildering and....yeah....stupid.
But it's mostly trumpism that is stupid. The morans fall for every cheap trick in the autocrat's book and that is..stupid.
And here's the GOP plan to end our democracy.
Read it and weep. No sarcasm.
This is the plan of the minority ethno-nationalist party to grab power and never relinquish it.
And this is what 'conservatives' want. They are not real conservatives. They are radical revolutionaries unwilling to live under majority rule.
https://twitter.com/UrbanAchievr/status/1440062663967461387?s=20