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2 years ago 05/08/2023 12:47pm EDT

re: Newname

Newname wrote:
So there are no examples of damage from vaccines not appearing until years later?

Comparing it to drugs like you and DanM are doing is stupid. When you take a drug, say daily, regularly for many years, small toxicities can accumulate. Getting 3,4,5 vaccines in 2-3 years just doesn't measure up.

So no posting about

1) people overdosing on a opioid

2) contaminated heartburn drugs

Don't really apply to few-dose vaccines. Long term damage comes from 1) side effects of an acute event (e.g. long term respiratory issues after pneumonia) 2) accumulating small effects over a long time (e.g. hearing loss in chronic opioid users.

2 years ago 05/08/2023 12:50pm EDT

re: DanM

DanM wrote:
Harambe wrote:
how embarrassing to have to go frantically google for a new example after your first one was totally shredded.
Valuable info here for runners. Watch out for "runners reflux".
Pharma shysters have been inventing faux medical conditions for a long time.
"A respected gastroenterologist in North Carolina conducted a study in the winter of 1988 that showed Zantac could help reduce heartburn in runners: a new group of potential patients with a newly named problem, runners’ reflux. The study was small and never peer-reviewed, but the doctor’s prominence—and Glaxo’s public-relations agency—assured it received attention. The New York Times later reported that the doctor was a paid consultant to Glaxo. He said he didn’t think Glaxo would capitalize on the study."

If your argument is now:

"The vaccines could be contaminated in their manufacturing process with something unsafe":

You realize thats quite different from the vaccines themselves being unsafe and it's still very unlikely to be a big deal unless the contaminant is highly toxic as you are only receive a few doses of it.

You are really not giving good examples here.

2 years ago 05/08/2023 1:06pm EDT

re: PCRF-Guy

PCRF-Guy wrote:
DanM wrote:
Valuable info here for runners. Watch out for "runners reflux".
Pharma shysters have been inventing faux medical conditions for a long time.
"A respected gastroenterologist in North Carolina conducted a study in the winter of 1988 that showed Zantac could help reduce heartburn in runners: a new group of potential patients with a newly named problem, runners’ reflux.The study was small and never peer-reviewed, but the doctor’s prominence—and Glaxo’s public-relations agency—assured it received attention. The New York Times later reported that the doctor was a paid consultant to Glaxo. He said he didn’t think Glaxo would capitalize on the study."
Now if you could just apply the same critical thinking skills towards ivermectin... small, non-peer reviewed studies done by people with a financial interest in selling the drug. There's a reason none of us has ever heard of "runner's reflux", even though this BS "study" was done 35 years ago.
But yes, drug companies develop a drug then find "respected" doctors (shills) to help them invent a disease to match it. I's not being sarcastic, I actually do agree with you on this one (and the abusive pattern of drug companies' behavior and their "consultants").
COVID isn't an invented disease. And the doctors arguing in favor of a vaccine aren't "making money" of them. The drug we use most for severe COVID pneumonia is dexamethasone; a cheap, generic steroid that profits no one.

Ivermectin is inexpensive and effective and has been in use in large quantities for many years.

Covid is an invented disease in that it was almost certainly created by people.

Nobody I know who got Covid was prescribed dexmethasone. They were told to get the vax and to go home with no treatment until they were so sick they needed to go the hospital.

2 years ago 05/08/2023 1:09pm EDT

re: Yessiree Bob

Yessiree Bob wrote:
DanM wrote:
You don't need that 6th dose while you're here ? I thought the Covid mortality rate was far worse in the US compared to every other country. The vax mob mafia said so.
Why are you waiting to get it before you leave the country ?
Because I will be in and out of airports, planes, restaurants, museums, and other crowded public spaces where the risk of exposure is much greater than at home and where accessing care, should I need it, will be more complicated. So I’m timing the shot to maximize antibody response.

You are aware that the jab does not prevent transmission?

2 years ago 05/08/2023 1:16pm EDT

re: Newname

Newname wrote:
PCRF-Guy wrote:
Now if you could just apply the same critical thinking skills towards ivermectin... small, non-peer reviewed studies done by people with a financial interest in selling the drug. There's a reason none of us has ever heard of "runner's reflux", even though this BS "study" was done 35 years ago.
But yes, drug companies develop a drug then find "respected" doctors (shills) to help them invent a disease to match it. I's not being sarcastic, I actually do agree with you on this one (and the abusive pattern of drug companies' behavior and their "consultants").
COVID isn't an invented disease. And the doctors arguing in favor of a vaccine aren't "making money" of them. The drug we use most for severe COVID pneumonia is dexamethasone; a cheap, generic steroid that profits no one.
Ivermectin is inexpensive and effective and has been in use in large quantities for many years.
Covid is an invented disease in that it was almost certainly created by people.
Nobody I know who got Covid was prescribed dexmethasone. They were told to get the vax and to go home with no treatment until they were so sick they needed to go the hospital.

IN fact, you can see ads for Remdesivir all the time, never for dexmethasone.

2 years ago 05/08/2023 1:21pm EDT

re: Newname

Newname wrote:
PCRF-Guy wrote:
Now if you could just apply the same critical thinking skills towards ivermectin... small, non-peer reviewed studies done by people with a financial interest in selling the drug. There's a reason none of us has ever heard of "runner's reflux", even though this BS "study" was done 35 years ago.
But yes, drug companies develop a drug then find "respected" doctors (shills) to help them invent a disease to match it. I's not being sarcastic, I actually do agree with you on this one (and the abusive pattern of drug companies' behavior and their "consultants").
COVID isn't an invented disease. And the doctors arguing in favor of a vaccine aren't "making money" of them. The drug we use most for severe COVID pneumonia is dexamethasone; a cheap, generic steroid that profits no one.
Ivermectin is inexpensive and effective and has been in use in large quantities for many years.
Covid is an invented disease in that it was almost certainly created by people.
Nobody I know who got Covid was prescribed dexmethasone. They were told to get the vax and to go home with no treatment until they were so sick they needed to go the hospital.

If someone has COVID with no risk factors for severe disease, they don't need treatment. They get over it without medications, except something for symptoms like fever or sore throat.

If they have risk factors, there are oral antivirals that might reduce their risk, with a possibility of rebound COVID when they finish the few days of treatment. They need to decide how big of a risk it actually is with their own doctor, and whether it necessitates taking an antiviral course.

If they get COVID pneumonia, they benefit from dexamethasone.

That's basically it for treatment.

Ivermectin is cheap and safe. And doesn't work for COVID. There are a lot of cheap drugs that don't work for COVID. We don't prescribe any of them either.

This post was edited 1 minute after it was posted.

2 years ago 05/08/2023 1:25pm EDT

re: Newname

Newname wrote:
Ivermectin is inexpensive and effective and has been in use in large quantities for many years.
Covid is an invented disease in that it was almost certainly created by people.
Nobody I know who got Covid was prescribed dexmethasone. They were told to get the vax and to go home with no treatment until they were so sick they needed to go the hospital.

Prescribing dexamethasone for COVID without pneumonia, in mild to moderate severity cases, might actually make it worse.

2 years ago 05/08/2023 1:56pm EDT

re: Newname

Newname wrote:
Yessiree Bob wrote:
Because I will be in and out of airports, planes, restaurants, museums, and other crowded public spaces where the risk of exposure is much greater than at home and where accessing care, should I need it, will be more complicated. So I’m timing the shot to maximize antibody response.
You are aware that the jab does not prevent transmission?

You are aware that the bivalent booster is effective in reducing the odds of severe COVID infection?

nih.gov

Bivalent boosters provide better protection against severe COVID-19

Bivalent booster vaccines against SARS-CoV-2 were 37% more effective than older booster shots at reducing the risk of severe COVID-19.

Link:www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-m...

2 years ago 05/08/2023 3:34pm EDT

re: 2600 bro

2600 bro wrote:
Newname wrote:
So there are no examples of damage from vaccines not appearing until years later?
Comparing it to drugs like you and DanM are doing is stupid. When you take a drug, say daily, regularly for many years, small toxicities can accumulate. Getting 3,4,5 vaccines in 2-3 years just doesn't measure up.
So no posting about
1) people overdosing on a opioid
2) contaminated heartburn drugs
Don't really apply to few-dose vaccines. Long term damage comes from 1) side effects of an acute event (e.g. long term respiratory issues after pneumonia) 2) accumulating small effects over a long time (e.g. hearing loss in chronic opioid users.

A person can stop taking a drug, but the "vaccine" stays in your body. There is no way to become unvaccinated after you have made the fateful decision to receive an injection of the mRNA goop.

The 53-year story of Darvon and the 40-year story of Zantac serve as a dire warnings.

2 years ago 05/08/2023 4:03pm EDT

re: DanM

DanM wrote:
2600 bro wrote:
Comparing it to drugs like you and DanM are doing is stupid. When you take a drug, say daily, regularly for many years, small toxicities can accumulate. Getting 3,4,5 vaccines in 2-3 years just doesn't measure up.
So no posting about
1) people overdosing on a opioid
2) contaminated heartburn drugs
Don't really apply to few-dose vaccines. Long term damage comes from 1) side effects of an acute event (e.g. long term respiratory issues after pneumonia) 2) accumulating small effects over a long time (e.g. hearing loss in chronic opioid users.
A person can stop taking a drug, but the "vaccine" stays in your body. There is no way to become unvaccinated after you have made the fateful decision to receive an injection of the mRNA goop.
The 53-year story of Darvon and the 40-year story of Zantac serve as a dire warnings.

How long does the vaccine stay in your body? Please share with us your research and how you arrived at the answer….

2 years ago 05/08/2023 4:29pm EDT

re: PCRF-Guy

PCRF-Guy wrote:
DanM wrote:
A person can stop taking a drug, but the "vaccine" stays in your body. There is no way to become unvaccinated after you have made the fateful decision to receive an injection of the mRNA goop.
The 53-year story of Darvon and the 40-year story of Zantac serve as a dire warnings.
How long does the vaccine stay in your body? Please share with us your research and how you arrived at the answer….

Never took it, so I don't need to know.

This thread is getting boring. I win.

2 years ago 05/08/2023 4:32pm EDT

re: PCRF-Guy

PCRF-Guy wrote:
Newname wrote:
Ivermectin is inexpensive and effective and has been in use in large quantities for many years.
Covid is an invented disease in that it was almost certainly created by people.
Nobody I know who got Covid was prescribed dexmethasone. They were told to get the vax and to go home with no treatment until they were so sick they needed to go the hospital.
Prescribing dexamethasone for COVID without pneumonia, in mild to moderate severity cases, might actually make it worse.

You brought it up out of nowhere

2 years ago 05/08/2023 4:34pm EDT

re: Yessiree Bob

Yessiree Bob wrote:
Newname wrote:
You are aware that the jab does not prevent transmission?
You are aware that the bivalent booster is effective in reducing the odds of severe COVID infection?
Link:www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-m...

Absolutely NOT.

Another claim without evidence.

As I have shown lots of times before, the least vaxxed nations had far fewer Covid deaths and hospitalizations than the highly vaxxed nations. FAR FEWER.

2 years ago 05/08/2023 4:35pm EDT

re: DanM

DanM wrote:
PCRF-Guy wrote:
How long does the vaccine stay in your body? Please share with us your research and how you arrived at the answer….
Never took it, so I don't need to know.
This thread is getting boring. I win.

This translates to ‘I don’t have an answer or any source… so I have to sound disinterested now that I’ve been called out for making sh1t up…’

2 years ago 05/08/2023 4:36pm EDT

re: DanM

DanM wrote:
2600 bro wrote:
Comparing it to drugs like you and DanM are doing is stupid. When you take a drug, say daily, regularly for many years, small toxicities can accumulate. Getting 3,4,5 vaccines in 2-3 years just doesn't measure up.
So no posting about
1) people overdosing on a opioid
2) contaminated heartburn drugs
Don't really apply to few-dose vaccines. Long term damage comes from 1) side effects of an acute event (e.g. long term respiratory issues after pneumonia) 2) accumulating small effects over a long time (e.g. hearing loss in chronic opioid users.
A person can stop taking a drug, but the "vaccine" stays in your body. There is no way to become unvaccinated after you have made the fateful decision to receive an injection of the mRNA goop.
The 53-year story of Darvon and the 40-year story of Zantac serve as a dire warnings.

Let's not forget the safe, effective, non addictive Oxycontin.

2 years ago 05/08/2023 4:38pm EDT

re: PCRF-Guy

PCRF-Guy wrote:
Newname wrote:
Ivermectin is inexpensive and effective and has been in use in large quantities for many years.
Covid is an invented disease in that it was almost certainly created by people.
Nobody I know who got Covid was prescribed dexmethasone. They were told to get the vax and to go home with no treatment until they were so sick they needed to go the hospital.
If someone has COVID with no risk factors for severe disease, they don't need treatment. They get over it without medications, except something for symptoms like fever or sore throat.
If they have risk factors, there are oral antivirals that might reduce their risk, with a possibility of rebound COVID when they finish the few days of treatment. They need to decide how big of a risk it actually is with their own doctor, and whether it necessitates taking an antiviral course.
If they get COVID pneumonia, they benefit from dexamethasone.
That's basically it for treatment.
Ivermectin is cheap and safe. And doesn't work for COVID. There are a lot of cheap drugs that don't work for COVID. We don't prescribe any of them either.

Nonsense.

Untreated the 1st two versions of Covid could get worse and worse without early treatment.

Which for the most part was denied to Americans.

People who got early treatment (monoclonals, ivermectim, etc.) fared far better

2 years ago 05/08/2023 4:43pm EDT

re: Newname

YouTube.com

Excess deaths in UK rise

Dr. John Campbell

Excess deaths, dramatic increase, week ending 21 April 2023https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deat...

Video:www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgubA8BF3CM

We are told by the "experts" that they don't know what is causing this serious increase in excess deaths but it can't the the vaccine. That they know. And the MSM of course is not talking about this at all.

Kind of like the explosion of autism in our kids that has a nearly perfect correlation to the increase in the vaccines they are given. Experts have no idea what's causing it...but they "know" it's not vaccines

2 years ago 05/08/2023 4:55pm EDT

re: Newname

Newname wrote:
Yessiree Bob wrote:
You are aware that the bivalent booster is effective in reducing the odds of severe COVID infection?
Link:www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-m...
Absolutely NOT.
Another claim without evidence.
As I have shown lots of times before, the least vaxxed nations had far fewer Covid deaths and hospitalizations than the highly vaxxed nations. FAR FEWER.

It must be painful being so willfully stupid.

2 years ago 05/08/2023 5:00pm EDT

re: Yessiree Bob

Yessiree Bob wrote:
Newname wrote:
Absolutely NOT.
Another claim without evidence.
As I have shown lots of times before, the least vaxxed nations had far fewer Covid deaths and hospitalizations than the highly vaxxed nations. FAR FEWER.
It must be painful being so willfully stupid.

How so?

Is it a lie that the least vaxxed nations fared far better than the highly vaxxed?

Nope. An easily confirmed fact.

If the vaxx lessens symptoms, could this be possible?

Of course not.

This is not that difficult

2 years ago 05/08/2023 5:02pm EDT

re: DanM

DanM wrote:
2600 bro wrote:
Comparing it to drugs like you and DanM are doing is stupid. When you take a drug, say daily, regularly for many years, small toxicities can accumulate. Getting 3,4,5 vaccines in 2-3 years just doesn't measure up.
So no posting about
1) people overdosing on a opioid
2) contaminated heartburn drugs
Don't really apply to few-dose vaccines. Long term damage comes from 1) side effects of an acute event (e.g. long term respiratory issues after pneumonia) 2) accumulating small effects over a long time (e.g. hearing loss in chronic opioid users.
A person can stop taking a drug, but the "vaccine" stays in your body. There is no way to become unvaccinated after you have made the fateful decision to receive an injection of the mRNA goop.
The 53-year story of Darvon and the 40-year story of Zantac serve as a dire warnings.

What part of the vaccine stays in their body? What is toxic?

Your examples are fundamentally different from vaccines.

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