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Well I took zero doses and am fine while you have three doses of that stuff in you that could cause problems down the road. Often takes years. Why don't you regret it? It is now acknowledged that it does not prevent you from getting or transmitting it in direct contradiction of what they were saying initially. You seem to believe we should listen to the establishment and not think for ourselves. Why? They have been shown to be liars and criminals
“Often takes years”
Wishful thinking 😂🤣
No.
A fact. There is a reason drugs are tested for many years before brought to market. If oft takes years for negative consequences to show up. Hell, you can find Fauci saying this on Youtube.
As far as wishful thinking, you are projecting your sickness onto me. I don't want to see those tricked/forced into taking the jab to suffer further harms. I have many family members and friends in that boat. You are sick
Well I took zero doses and am fine while you have three doses of that stuff in you that could cause problems down the road. Often takes years. Why don't you regret it? It is now acknowledged that it does not prevent you from getting or transmitting it in direct contradiction of what they were saying initially. You seem to believe we should listen to the establishment and not think for ourselves. Why? They have been shown to be liars and criminals
mRNA has a half life of hours, and degrades in the body within a few days. All the spike protein it produces is removed by the immune response it generates within a couple of weeks. Even the antibodies they produce are short-lived (months)… which is a valid criticism of the vaccine. (It doesn’t generate lifelong immunity). I don’t have to ‘believe’ any ‘establishment’. We did our own research on it (and I don’t mean ‘googled it’). I’m sure those real scary side effects that ‘often take years’ are going to haunt me ANY MINUTE NOW.
There are very few infections or vaccines that produce lifelong, sterilizing immunity. You wouldn’t understand that statement, or the implications of it. So it’s not ‘we now know that it doesn’t prevent transmission’ we always knew that. At least those of us who know enough about biology to understand that an airborne infectious agent, once inhaled, can actually go to the lung.
Half life?
This ain't nuclear waste.
Holy Crap.
I hope you don't face future problems from the jab. But to think it could not happen is willful ignorance
Well I took zero doses and am fine while you have three doses of that stuff in you that could cause problems down the road. Often takes years. Why don't you regret it? It is now acknowledged that it does not prevent you from getting or transmitting it in direct contradiction of what they were saying initially. You seem to believe we should listen to the establishment and not think for ourselves. Why? They have been shown to be liars and criminals
mRNA has a half life of hours, and degrades in the body within a few days. All the spike protein it produces is removed by the immune response it generates within a couple of weeks. Even the antibodies they produce are short-lived (months)… which is a valid criticism of the vaccine. (It doesn’t generate lifelong immunity). I don’t have to ‘believe’ any ‘establishment’. We did our own research on it (and I don’t mean ‘googled it’). I’m sure those real scary side effects that ‘often take years’ are going to haunt me ANY MINUTE NOW.
There are very few infections or vaccines that produce lifelong, sterilizing immunity. You wouldn’t understand that statement, or the implications of it. So it’s not ‘we now know that it doesn’t prevent transmission’ we always knew that. At least those of us who know enough about biology to understand that an airborne infectious agent, once inhaled, can actually go to the lung.
There are very few infections or vaccines that produce lifelong, sterilizing immunity
Really? So the polio and small pox shots we got are no longer effective.
The fact I got chicken pox and measles as a kid does not mean I won't get them again?
mRNA has a half life of hours, and degrades in the body within a few days. All the spike protein it produces is removed by the immune response it generates within a couple of weeks. Even the antibodies they produce are short-lived (months)… which is a valid criticism of the vaccine. (It doesn’t generate lifelong immunity). I don’t have to ‘believe’ any ‘establishment’. We did our own research on it (and I don’t mean ‘googled it’). I’m sure those real scary side effects that ‘often take years’ are going to haunt me ANY MINUTE NOW.
There are very few infections or vaccines that produce lifelong, sterilizing immunity. You wouldn’t understand that statement, or the implications of it. So it’s not ‘we now know that it doesn’t prevent transmission’ we always knew that. At least those of us who know enough about biology to understand that an airborne infectious agent, once inhaled, can actually go to the lung.
Half life?
This ain't nuclear waste.
Holy Crap.
I hope you don't face future problems from the jab. But to think it could not happen is willful ignorance
So we can add "half life" to the list of scientific terms you don't understand. In addition to "pneumonia", "airborne" and "sterilizing immunity".
You think that everything you inject into your body stays there forever? And that "half life" only applies to nuclear waste? Please keep posting. I'd like to learn more about your scientific knowledge.
mRNA has a half life of hours, and degrades in the body within a few days. All the spike protein it produces is removed by the immune response it generates within a couple of weeks. Even the antibodies they produce are short-lived (months)… which is a valid criticism of the vaccine. (It doesn’t generate lifelong immunity). I don’t have to ‘believe’ any ‘establishment’. We did our own research on it (and I don’t mean ‘googled it’). I’m sure those real scary side effects that ‘often take years’ are going to haunt me ANY MINUTE NOW.
There are very few infections or vaccines that produce lifelong, sterilizing immunity. You wouldn’t understand that statement, or the implications of it. So it’s not ‘we now know that it doesn’t prevent transmission’ we always knew that. At least those of us who know enough about biology to understand that an airborne infectious agent, once inhaled, can actually go to the lung.
There are very few infections or vaccines that produce lifelong, sterilizing immunity
Really? So the polio and small pox shots we got are no longer effective.
The fact I got chicken pox and measles as a kid does not mean I won't get them again?
Can't comment on smallpox; it's been eradicated (which probably means immunity to it is sterilizing or very close to it). Immunity to polio isn't lifelong or sterilizing, but is close (3 doses of a IPV can get >95% effectiveness for years, but no one knows for sure how long).
You didn't clear the chickenpox virus. It's dormant in your body, and waiting for your immunity to wane so it can reactivate. That's what Shingles is, and why there's a shingles vaccine. You know... to reactivate the immunity you lose. Since it's not lifelong.
Measles is the one infection that most immunologists say gets closest to lifelong and sterilizing immunity. The most effective vaccine, too (>98%), but requires multiple doses over several years to get there.
Please continue posting and provide more examples that demonstrate your knowledge of immunology and virology. You're doing great.
There are very few infections or vaccines that produce lifelong, sterilizing immunity
Really? So the polio and small pox shots we got are no longer effective.
The fact I got chicken pox and measles as a kid does not mean I won't get them again?
Can't comment on smallpox; it's been eradicated (which probably means immunity to it is sterilizing or very close to it). Immunity to polio isn't lifelong or sterilizing, but is close (3 doses of a IPV can get >95% effectiveness for years, but no one knows for sure how long).
You didn't clear the chickenpox virus. It's dormant in your body, and waiting for your immunity to wane so it can reactivate. That's what Shingles is, and why there's a shingles vaccine. You know... to reactivate the immunity you lose. Since it's not lifelong.
Measles is the one infection that most immunologists say gets closest to lifelong and sterilizing immunity. The most effective vaccine, too (>98%), but requires multiple doses over several years to get there.
Please continue posting and provide more examples that demonstrate your knowledge of immunology and virology. You're doing great.
So you think shingles and chicken pox are the same thing?
Can't comment on smallpox; it's been eradicated (which probably means immunity to it is sterilizing or very close to it). Immunity to polio isn't lifelong or sterilizing, but is close (3 doses of a IPV can get >95% effectiveness for years, but no one knows for sure how long).
You didn't clear the chickenpox virus. It's dormant in your body, and waiting for your immunity to wane so it can reactivate. That's what Shingles is, and why there's a shingles vaccine. You know... to reactivate the immunity you lose. Since it's not lifelong.
Measles is the one infection that most immunologists say gets closest to lifelong and sterilizing immunity. The most effective vaccine, too (>98%), but requires multiple doses over several years to get there.
Please continue posting and provide more examples that demonstrate your knowledge of immunology and virology. You're doing great.
So you think shingles and chicken pox are the same thing?
You think shingles is caused by a different virus?
I’m planning to get my 6th in July before traveling overseas the following two months.
You don't need that 6th dose while you're here ? I thought the Covid mortality rate was far worse in the US compared to every other country. The vax mob mafia said so.
Why are you waiting to get it before you leave the country ?
I’m planning to get my 6th in July before traveling overseas the following two months.
You don't need that 6th dose while you're here ? I thought the Covid mortality rate was far worse in the US compared to every other country. The vax mob mafia said so.
Why are you waiting to get it before you leave the country ?
Because I will be in and out of airports, planes, restaurants, museums, and other crowded public spaces where the risk of exposure is much greater than at home and where accessing care, should I need it, will be more complicated. So I’m timing the shot to maximize antibody response.
"Looking more closely at the history of this drug, it is quite surprising that it took 53 years to remove it from the market despite a number of reports, case studies, and research reporting its dangers. The first report that the drug produced physical dependence was published by Fraser and Isbell in 1960 (Claghorn and Schoolar, 1966)."
Thanks for proving my point! Dextropropoxyphene opoid toxicity comes from acute overdoses not magically hidden invisible damage that appears spontaneously years later.
Let me know when you find evidence of vaccine overdoses LOL!
Another example. 40 years, people. FORTY EFFING YEARS.
This story was published less than 90 days ago. A long read, but worth the time. If you hit a paywall, here's the first part:
Feb 15, 2023
Glaxo says the heartburn drug doesn’t cause tumors. But the company was warned by its own scientists and independent researchers about the potential danger.
Zantac’s Maker Kept Quiet About Cancer Risks for 40 Years
The small British company was sometimes called Glaxo University, because it conducted important pharmaceutical research that rarely resulted in profitable drugs. Then the scientists at Glaxo Laboratories created a molecule they called ranitidine, and in 1978 the company was granted a US patent. The molecule was new, but not novel. The scientists had, as scientists sometimes do, looked for a way to mimic the success of an established drug -- in this case, one that healed ulcers and could be used to treat heartburn. They developed ranitidine quickly, and the US Food and Drug Administration reviewed it quickly. Glaxo gave it the brand name Zantac.
Glaxo marketed it as better and safer than the drug that inspired it, Tagamet, and before long, Zantac overtook Tagamet to become the world's bestselling prescription medication. For years, Glaxo counted on Zantac for nearly half of its sales and almost as much of its profit. The company won an award from Queen Elizabeth; the chief executive officer was knighted. Zantac created reputations and fortunes. It financed the modern version of Glaxo, which, after mergers and takeovers and spinoffs, ended up as GSK, a company now worth some $73 billion. Among its most popular drugs are the antidepressants Paxil and Wellbutrin and the shingles vaccine Shingrix.
But not Zantac. In 2019 the drug was found to be tainted with high levels of a probable carcinogen. Not by chance or mistake in a few batches. The poison is created by ranitidine itself. Zantac's makers and health regulators around the world recalled the drug, and in the spring of 2020 the FDA forced it off the market altogether. No company could manufacture it; nobody should ingest it. The carcinogen, called NDMA, was once added to rocket fuel and is now used only to induce cancer in lab rats. The FDA says consuming minuscule amounts isn't harmful. But tests were revealing excessive amounts of NDMA in ranitidine -- and a capacity to create even more over time. No version seemed safe. From ranitidine's beginning to its end, Glaxo had been warned by its own scientists and independent researchers about the potential danger.
An account of those four decades emerges in hundreds of documents, thousands of pages, many of which have never been made public. Bloomberg Businessweek reviewed court filings, many still under seal, as well as studies, FDA transcripts and new drug applications obtained via Freedom of Information Act requests. They show that the FDA considered the cancer risks when approving ranitidine. But Glaxo didn't share a critical study. Over the years, the company also backed flawed research designed to minimize concerns and chose not to routinely transport and store the medication in ways that could have eased the problem. Glaxo sold a drug that might harm people, tried to discount evidence of that and never gave anyone the slightest warning. More than 70,000 people who took Zantac or generic versions of it are suing the company in US state courts for selling a potentially contaminated and dangerous drug.
In 2019 Glaxo’s Zantac was found to be tainted with high levels of a probable carcinogen. From the drug’s beginning to its end, the company was warned by its own scientists and independent researchers about the potential dang...
I’m planning to get my 6th in July before traveling overseas the following two months.
You don't need that 6th dose while you're here ? I thought the Covid mortality rate was far worse in the US compared to every other country. The vax mob mafia said so.
Why are you waiting to get it before you leave the country ?
It’s not? It’s fairly average for the developed West.
That doesn’t mean we couldn’t have done better. For example 300k Americans could have been saved by vaccines. Instead antivaxxers convinced them to get raw COVID and they died.
Do I blame DanM and others for these deaths? That would be ridiculous, of course I do!
Thanks for proving my point! Dextropropoxyphene opoid toxicity comes from acute overdoses not magically hidden invisible damage that appears spontaneously years later.
Let me know when you find evidence of vaccine overdoses LOL!
Another example. 40 years, people. FORTY EFFING YEARS.
how embarrassing to have to go frantically google for a new example after your first one was totally shredded.
Another example. 40 years, people. FORTY EFFING YEARS.
how embarrassing to have to go frantically google for a new example after your first one was totally shredded.
"It seems to me that the regulatory agencies have been less than eager to act in the matter of nitrites and nitrosamines. There has been ample information available, if they had sought it. There is, of course, immense opposition by the manufacturing companies to any change." —William Lijinsky, congressional testimony, 1977
Another example. 40 years, people. FORTY EFFING YEARS.
how embarrassing to have to go frantically google for a new example after your first one was totally shredded.
Valuable info here for runners. Watch out for "runners reflux".
Pharma shysters have been inventing faux medical conditions for a long time.
"A respected gastroenterologist in North Carolina conducted a study in the winter of 1988 that showed Zantac could help reduce heartburn in runners: a new group of potential patients with a newly named problem, runners’ reflux. The study was small and never peer-reviewed, but the doctor’s prominence—and Glaxo’s public-relations agency—assured it received attention. The New York Times later reported that the doctor was a paid consultant to Glaxo. He said he didn’t think Glaxo would capitalize on the study."
how embarrassing to have to go frantically google for a new example after your first one was totally shredded.
Valuable info here for runners. Watch out for "runners reflux".
Pharma shysters have been inventing faux medical conditions for a long time.
"A respected gastroenterologist in North Carolina conducted a study in the winter of 1988 that showed Zantac could help reduce heartburn in runners: a new group of potential patients with a newly named problem, runners’ reflux.The study was small and never peer-reviewed, but the doctor’s prominence—and Glaxo’s public-relations agency—assured it received attention. The New York Times later reported that the doctor was a paid consultant to Glaxo. He said he didn’t think Glaxo would capitalize on the study."
Now if you could just apply the same critical thinking skills towards ivermectin... small, non-peer reviewed studies done by people with a financial interest in selling the drug. There's a reason none of us has ever heard of "runner's reflux", even though this BS "study" was done 35 years ago.
But yes, drug companies develop a drug then find "respected" doctors (shills) to help them invent a disease to match it. I's not being sarcastic, I actually do agree with you on this one (and the abusive pattern of drug companies' behavior and their "consultants").
COVID isn't an invented disease. And the doctors arguing in favor of a vaccine aren't "making money" of them. The drug we use most for severe COVID pneumonia is dexamethasone; a cheap, generic steroid that profits no one.
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