Ha mbo wrote:
Real Obvi wrote:
I know, right? Certainly no drone strikes over the last twenty years have killed innocent civilians before and/or hit the wrong target altogether. For sure this is a first and Rand Paul wants to get to the bottom of this!
Really? That is your reply? 👎👎👎👎
Be better.
Remind us how many civilians fat boy’s drone strikes killed
😂we love fat boy 🎻👋🏻
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Ha mbo wrote:
Real Obvi wrote:
I know, right? Certainly no drone strikes over the last twenty years have killed innocent civilians before and/or hit the wrong target altogether. For sure this is a first and Rand Paul wants to get to the bottom of this!
Really? That is your reply? 👎👎👎👎
Be better.
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Trollminator wrote:
Perch wrote:
I didn't miss anything. It's hypocrisy masquerading as an "insightful and nuanced response." He refuses to discuss Biden's flaws because others refuse to discuss Trump's. Hypocrisy. And FTR I hate Trump and am glad he lost. I'm just not happy Biden is so incompetent.
No Sally, you are a trump lover to the effing bone and you are obsessing here because your butthurtness never ends. Nobody will entertain your Biden criticisms until you own your loss and admit how horrible and catastrophic fat boy was. You helped set the bar that low by tolerating fat boy. Now we tell you to eat $hit every time you bring up Biden who will remain light years better.
I believe you are right about perch being Sally. And yes it was his MO to briefly say he was no fan of trump as he defended trumps actions in numerous posts. Its like Rojo saying he supports vaccinations and then starting a ton of anti vaccination threads eroding confidence in the process.
Perch has no moral high ground on this, his quick,I didn't support trump doesn't erase his history of posts supporting him.
Trollminator wrote:
Ha mbo wrote:
Really? That is your reply? 👎👎👎👎
Be better.
Remind us how many civilians fat boy’s drone strikes killed
Fewer than the whataboutisms you’ve spewed in the last month. 😂😂😂😂😂
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memo 618.. wrote:
I believe you are right about perch being Sally. And yes it was his MO to briefly say he was no fan of trump as he defended trumps actions in numerous posts. Its like Rojo saying he supports vaccinations and then starting a ton of anti vaccination threads eroding confidence in the process.
Perch has no moral high ground on this, his quick,I didn't support trump doesn't erase his history of posts supporting him.
I'm not Sally but that's a nice try at deflection. But let's say for the sake of discussion that I am Sally. How does that change what I've said and how you've failed to respond in any intelligent fashion. You're a hypocrite and you don't want to face it. Those Trump supporters you complain about probably got tired of people like you brooking no criticism of Obama. I'm betting you never admitted to Obama's faults either...or worse yet, accused his critics of being racist. Then when Trump won his supporters didn't want to hear your criticism of Trump either. Now you're at it again with Biden. Well, news flash dude, plenty of people are talking about Biden's flaws whether you're willing to or not. And the flaws are serious. Not the same flaws as Trump's or as numerous but flaws nonetheless. You say my disavowal of Trump was "quick" which is funny in that you wouldn't have believed a long disavowal either. You've pigeon holed me as Sally and a Trump supporter because it makes it easy for you to TRY to dismiss me. Ain't happening. Trump is out of office and good riddance. It's Biden's time now and there are those of us who are not liking what we see. It may be hard for you to understand but some people are appalled by Trump AND Biden. Criticism of one doesn't necessarily mean support of the other. Oh, and please show me even one of my posts where I supported Trump. I recall giving him credit for creating jobs in a post but I have never posted anything that a reasonable person would say was being a Trump supporter.
Perch wrote:
memo 618.. wrote:
I believe you are right about perch being Sally. And yes it was his MO to briefly say he was no fan of trump as he defended trumps actions in numerous posts. Its like Rojo saying he supports vaccinations and then starting a ton of anti vaccination threads eroding confidence in the process.
Perch has no moral high ground on this, his quick,I didn't support trump doesn't erase his history of posts supporting him.
I'm not Sally but that's a nice try at deflection. But let's say for the sake of discussion that I am Sally. How does that change what I've said and how you've failed to respond in any intelligent fashion. You're a hypocrite and you don't want to face it. Those Trump supporters you complain about probably got tired of people like you brooking no criticism of Obama. I'm betting you never admitted to Obama's faults either...or worse yet, accused his critics of being racist. Then when Trump won his supporters didn't want to hear your criticism of Trump either. Now you're at it again with Biden. Well, news flash dude, plenty of people are talking about Biden's flaws whether you're willing to or not. And the flaws are serious. Not the same flaws as Trump's or as numerous but flaws nonetheless. You say my disavowal of Trump was "quick" which is funny in that you wouldn't have believed a long disavowal either. You've pigeon holed me as Sally and a Trump supporter because it makes it easy for you to TRY to dismiss me. Ain't happening. Trump is out of office and good riddance. It's Biden's time now and there are those of us who are not liking what we see. It may be hard for you to understand but some people are appalled by Trump AND Biden. Criticism of one doesn't necessarily mean support of the other. Oh, and please show me even one of my posts where I supported Trump. I recall giving him credit for creating jobs in a post but I have never posted anything that a reasonable person would say was being a Trump supporter.
If you were truly critical of trump, show us one of your posts, when he was president where you were critical of him. I would like to see it.
Your post might even have had a shred of credibility but then you talked about trump supporters not wanting to hear trump criticism because (I?) Didn't criticise Obama.
The trump cult members have been totally irrational in their acceptance of whatever trump does. If you are defending their reasoning, you lose complete credibilty.
Trump cult members have lost the right to discuss Biden's weaknesses. It seems like you have aligned yourself with this group.
Perch wrote:
memo 618.. wrote:
I believe you are right about perch being Sally. And yes it was his MO to briefly say he was no fan of trump as he defended trumps actions in numerous posts. Its like Rojo saying he supports vaccinations and then starting a ton of anti vaccination threads eroding confidence in the process.
Perch has no moral high ground on this, his quick,I didn't support trump doesn't erase his history of posts supporting him.
I'm not Sally but that's a nice try at deflection. But let's say for the sake of discussion that I am Sally. How does that change what I've said and how you've failed to respond in any intelligent fashion. You're a hypocrite and you don't want to face it. Those Trump supporters you complain about probably got tired of people like you brooking no criticism of Obama. I'm betting you never admitted to Obama's faults either...or worse yet, accused his critics of being racist. Then when Trump won his supporters didn't want to hear your criticism of Trump either. Now you're at it again with Biden. Well, news flash dude, plenty of people are talking about Biden's flaws whether you're willing to or not. And the flaws are serious. Not the same flaws as Trump's or as numerous but flaws nonetheless. You say my disavowal of Trump was "quick" which is funny in that you wouldn't have believed a long disavowal either. You've pigeon holed me as Sally and a Trump supporter because it makes it easy for you to TRY to dismiss me. Ain't happening. Trump is out of office and good riddance. It's Biden's time now and there are those of us who are not liking what we see. It may be hard for you to understand but some people are appalled by Trump AND Biden. Criticism of one doesn't necessarily mean support of the other. Oh, and please show me even one of my posts where I supported Trump. I recall giving him credit for creating jobs in a post but I have never posted anything that a reasonable person would say was being a Trump supporter.
Hi Sally, I glanced at your garbage post and it doesn't change anything. Over the years we have easily demonstrated that trump is light years worse than any other R or D president in our lifetimes. You voted for him twice (= trump supporter) despite claiming he was despicable and you still fail to admit he was a horrendous president. Until you do that (and the other 2 tzees admit he lost) we have no reason to entertain any of your Biden criticisms. It's pretty simple.
update on cancer cure please?
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
Remarkably better [where] inflation is at its highest point in decades.
Except it's not.
I find this post of your interesting, because on the page *before* it I had posted the info about how inflation had dropped sharply--and you had responded to that post. Did you forget so soon?
Or are you just a DAMNED LIAR, spewing "facts" that happen not to be true, but are in line with what you *want* to be true?
https://www.businessinsider.com/cpi-inflation-august-consumer-price-growth-index-economic-data-delta-2021-9Real Obvi wrote:
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
Oh, so Trump was the bad guy?
https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1437815424226312202?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1437815424226312202%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.zerohedge.com%2Fpolitical%2Fwatch-rand-paul-grill-secretary-blinken-youd-think-youd-know-you-someone-predator-droneI know, right? Certainly no drone strikes over the last twenty years have killed innocent civilians before and/or hit the wrong target altogether. For sure this is a first and Rand Paul wants to get to the bottom of this!
Certainly true. Additionally, it would be nice if members of Congress understood that the Dept. of State isn't in charge of blowing up bad guys. AND, if the leader of the Dept. of State would stay in his freakin' lane. Pretty damn sure that's mainly a question for folks wearing uniforms, the SECDEF, or POTUS.
CountChocula wrote:
nonequals wrote:
Sorry to look lazy (and dumb to rely on amateur strangers for my news!), but has Blinken or anyone else in the administration really explained how they planned to get hundreds of thousands of Afghans out of the country before it fell? And OK, the government fell faster than they thought it would. One can debate how much of a failure this poor forecast was. But regardless, they had a solid plan for how to get THAT many people out even if the government survived longer (say, 3-6 months)? I'm skeptical. When was that big effort going to begin?
Having served for 31 years in the military (and done a number of deployments to AFG and other combat zones), I know that DoD (and DoS, I presume) have some really good planners. But I really wonder about this one. And not so much about our ABILITY to properly plan, but the choices that senior leaders made in picking (or simply not picking) workable evacuation plans.
I might be mistaken but I was under the impression that most of those people were only evacuated because the government fell so quickly. They were only in danger because the Taliban was in control. SIV visa holders/applicants notwithstanding
Right, but you'd want to get them out before they were in danger. If slightly more optimistic estimates had the government falling in, say, 3-4 months, then you'd still have expected the effort to have been in pretty high gear by this summer. I could be wrong, but I haven't clearly gotten the impression that it was. At least three possibilities:
1) It HAD ramped up, just not that clearly to your average fairly casual consumer of news (like me). And not nearly enough to be done by the end of Aug (because they thought they had many more months).
2) They tried to ramp it up, but there weren't that many takers because a lot of these people were OK with staying in AFG while it was still under government control ? (.....hope springs eternal ?!)
3) This, supported by at least some media reports (including Ghani explicitly asking Biden for it): They didn't ramp it up because they didn't want to show a further lack of confidence in the government, and perhaps hasten its fall. Arguably a noble position. But in retrospect, probably quite dumb.
Perch wrote:
Real Obvi wrote:
I know, right? Certainly no drone strikes over the last twenty years have killed innocent civilians before and/or hit the wrong target altogether. For sure this is a first and Rand Paul wants to get to the bottom of this!
Did you completely miss the point that Blinken doesn't even know if the guy killed was a good guy or a bad guy?
Well, you DID miss the point that he's the freakin' Secretary of STATE. Anyone who expects him to be an expert in blowing up terrorists is WAY dumber than they think he is.
Perch wrote:
nonequals wrote:
Not a bad reply. Here's fuller version, in the futile hope of educating some of you:
1) Not all faults are created equal. JUST like Trump's dishonesty doesn't equal the average politician's. Trump just got done showing an A+ fault, trying to steal an election. Following his A/A+ fault of not giving a s*** if hundreds of thousands of Americans unnecessarily died during a pandemic (and FACILITATING it in some ways). Following....a REALLY long list.
So, when your average politician comes along and, inevitably, gets some things wrong and has some positions you don't like WHILE the other party is still led by the King of Faults.....geez, surprise, surprise, those who rightfully despise that King won't be terribly interested in discussing the new guy's MUCH lower level faults. Don't act fake surprised about this.
2) Even more important - and stated in the reply above - is with WHOM one is having these discussions? When it's with folks who have no problem with the A and A+ level faults, well, they have absolutely no credibility whatsoever, and no one wants to talk about lower level faults with them. No one wants to sit around with neighbor A complaining about neighbor B's messy yard when neighbor A is known to be fine with murder. It's EXTREMELY simple.
So, don't assume that folks can't see Biden's faults - or that folks who can don't talk about them amongst themselves. They just don't want to talk about them WITH YOU.
You packaged your rationalization for hypocrisy up in a nice little basket, didn't you? But it's still hypocrisy no matter how you justify it. And, hey, thanks for proving my point on the lengths some people will go to to avoid having "their guy" criticized.
Cute. And utterly stupid. It's simply not "hypocritical" to not want to discuss the shortcomings of your average American politician with folks, many or all of which you strongly suspect or know to support Trump. They simply have ZERO credibility.
I'm a lifelong conservative (though not R). I don't hold a conservative view on all issues, but almost certainly the majority. Until Trump, usually rooted for the R to win. Worried a lot about the decades of demographic projections that suggested future R election problems. That ALL changed with Trump and Trumpism. I'm no liberal. But I can, unlike roughly half the country and way over half of Rs, think independently about things. And not simply check which tribe I belong to.
And are there folks on the left that do that? Of course. And THEY have annoyed me my whole life, too. But sorry, right now, you see someone sniping at nearly everything that Biden does, and you are VERY right in assuming that they are almost certainly a mouth-breathing, potentially nation-destroying Trumper. It's f***** disgusting. NOTHING currently going on on the left comes within millions of miles of this bad.
Yes, again, it's simple. And horrible.
memo 618.. wrote:
Perch wrote:
I'm not Sally but that's a nice try at deflection. But let's say for the sake of discussion that I am Sally. How does that change what I've said and how you've failed to respond in any intelligent fashion. You're a hypocrite and you don't want to face it. Those Trump supporters you complain about probably got tired of people like you brooking no criticism of Obama. I'm betting you never admitted to Obama's faults either...or worse yet, accused his critics of being racist. Then when Trump won his supporters didn't want to hear your criticism of Trump either. Now you're at it again with Biden. Well, news flash dude, plenty of people are talking about Biden's flaws whether you're willing to or not. And the flaws are serious. Not the same flaws as Trump's or as numerous but flaws nonetheless. You say my disavowal of Trump was "quick" which is funny in that you wouldn't have believed a long disavowal either. You've pigeon holed me as Sally and a Trump supporter because it makes it easy for you to TRY to dismiss me. Ain't happening. Trump is out of office and good riddance. It's Biden's time now and there are those of us who are not liking what we see. It may be hard for you to understand but some people are appalled by Trump AND Biden. Criticism of one doesn't necessarily mean support of the other. Oh, and please show me even one of my posts where I supported Trump. I recall giving him credit for creating jobs in a post but I have never posted anything that a reasonable person would say was being a Trump supporter.
If you were truly critical of trump, show us one of your posts, when he was president where you were critical of him. I would like to see it.
Your post might even have had a shred of credibility but then you talked about trump supporters not wanting to hear trump criticism because (I?) Didn't criticise Obama.
The trump cult members have been totally irrational in their acceptance of whatever trump does. If you are defending their reasoning, you lose complete credibilty.
Trump cult members have lost the right to discuss Biden's weaknesses. It seems like you have aligned yourself with this group.
First of all, you're still a hypocrite.
Second, you can ask Trump supporters why they wouldn't criticize Trump if you really want an answer. I can guess though that after 8 years of demagogues like you refusing to admit any Obama flaws and accusing those who dared criticize Obama of being racist, yea, I can see where Trump supporters may not be willing to concede anything to people like you. Just like you're unwilling to concede anything to them. Makes them idiots and you a hypocrite.
Third, I don't think I posted anything here during the Trump administration. Not on LRC. I only returned to LRC after a few years hiatus because of the Olympics. I may have posted once or twice about running but nothing political because there are too many hypocrites like you in political discussions.
Fourth, Trump is a buffoon. He's narcissistic, bigoted, obnoxious, misogynistic and lacks even rudimentary leadership skills. I can think of several reasons he should have been removed from office but the GOP powers-that-be were too spineless and party loyal to act. His moronic letter to Turkish President Erdogan alone should have been enough for him to be removed under the 25th Amendment. But, bad as he was, he's not President anymore. Biden is and he's screwing things up repeatedly. You'll cover for him because you're a hypocrite but that won't change the facts. So, yea, I'll be critical of Biden without being a hypocrite like you because I can also point out things he does well. Like yesterday's announcement of a trilateral agreement to build a nuclear powered sub for Australia. That's a good move. I'd like to see him make some good moves concerning the border crisis he created.
Fifth, when you refuse to admit Biden's flaws and then you're critical of someone else because they refuse to admit Trump's flaws it makes you a hypocrite and it means you're no better than they are so save your talk of "credibility" and "high ground" because you obviously don't know much about either.