That is a great article, as it clearly spells out that only a few nutjobs agree with you. There are an equal number of idiots that believe the earth is flat. I bet you find then convincing as well.
Conclusion from Lolly’s article:
Most historians have rejected the claims of Beard, Tansill, and Buchanan as reductionist and unconvincing. These historians do agree that Roosevelt engaged in deception and manipulation to advance his foreign policies and that he was prevented from seeking a formal declaration of war in the first years of the fighting because of continued public support for U.S. neutrality. Nevertheless, they argue that this does not show that Roosevelt intentionally provoked the Japanese to attack the United States or that he allowed the country to be surprised at Pearl Harbor.
There's many more historians who believe this theory to be true. Most historians understandably love the safety of their jobs much more than they'd care to take a different position. Just like it's unsafe to criticize transgender athletes in women's sports, it's also unsafe to publicly investigate US involvement in wars and 9/11.
Nonethless, fact no. 1: The US lied about being attacked to start Vietnam war. Fact no. 2: The US lied about mass weapons to start war in Iran. Therefore I doubt very little that the US also didn't also lie /manipulate to start any other war. This is just something your country does :)
Goalposts shifted. But, keep spouting off and you’ll be correct at some point.
Sometimes it's surprising how demented/deluded these awful people like Lolly and Carmine are.
Here, Lolly is vaguely suggesting (deliberately vague, because he can't quite bring himself to affirmatively say it) that the US knew about the planned Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor and allowed the attack to happen, knowing it would kill thousands of Americans, so that it could use the Japanese attack as a pretext for going to war against Japan and the Nazis (which would later, very ironically, end up saving the useless country of Russia he loves so much). Basically he's saying the attack on Pearl Harbor was a US engineered false flag of sorts.
That "theory" is an even more demented, dark-net conspiracy than Carmine's belief that the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks against the US were also fake, false, staged, ordered by President Bush/CIA/FBI/whatever.
Important to know just how crazed the minds of the pro-Putin posters on LRC are when evaluating whether to respond to their posts. What can you say to a person who thinks the US allowed Pearl Harbor to happen? Offer them some meds?
The same went down in Ukraine. Putin has clearly stated what he's not going to tolerate, so the US overthrew Ukrainian government and installed puppets to do EXACTLY THAT.
I love how Putin is being portraid by the Western media as this deranged person, when in reality this was the most preplanned and logical thing ever :)
Your theory is that the US has manipulated Russia (Putin) into invading Ukraine so that the US could respond, via Ukraine, and escalate and eventually overthrow Putin and destroy and/or occupy Russia.
Do Putin and his advisors now know how badly they got played into participating in their own destruction? Why were they so naive and gullible to have fallen for this trap? Don't they know that the US played the same trick in WWII (Pearl Harbor)?
Why did the US use Ukraine as the middleman? Wouldn't it have been easier and faster to just make Putin invade Latvia or Lithuania, which are NATO members (article 5 easy to invoke) that already have US weapons ready to go?
What do you know about the US timetable for accomplishing all this and destroying Russia? Roughly 4-5 years like with WWII?
I, for one, am really glad to learn the US has been plotting this out. I'm sure 99% of Americans will be glad to know how skillfully we "preplanned the most logical thing ever." Putin and the Russians dove into that hole like a gopher. They are bigger serfs and idiots than I even thought they were.
By the way, what do you do for living? Sell tires? Own a hardware store? Male nurse?
Nope. Currently in a seminar on pair-density wave formation in UTe2 and its correlation/competition with the charge-density wave order. Why, does your Lada need new tires?
There's many more historians who believe this theory to be true. Most historians understandably love the safety of their jobs much more than they'd care to take a different position. Just like it's unsafe to criticize transgender athletes in women's sports, it's also unsafe to publicly investigate US involvement in wars and 9/11.
Nonethless, fact no. 1: The US lied about being attacked to start Vietnam war. Fact no. 2: The US lied about mass weapons to start war in Iran. Therefore I doubt very little that the US also didn't also lie /manipulate to start any other war. This is just something your country does :)
Goalposts shifted. But, keep spouting off and you’ll be correct at some point.
I don't budge from my position. The US is involved in escalating every major war of the past 200 years and the US also instigated the war in Ukraine.
I wonder if a day will come, when some American in this thread will claim any US responsibility for a single war though. You know deep down, CIA wouldn't like it :)
Goalposts shifted. But, keep spouting off and you’ll be correct at some point.
I don't budge from my position. The US is involved in escalating every major war of the past 200 years and the US also instigated the war in Ukraine.
I wonder if a day will come, when some American in this thread will claim any US responsibility for a single war though. You know deep down, CIA wouldn't like it :)
And your position was shown to be asinine, so then you moved on from saying stupid stuff about WW2 and said stuff about other wars. Hell, you conveniently posted an article that said your position was asinine.
By the way, what do you do for living? Sell tires? Own a hardware store? Male nurse?
Nope. Currently in a seminar on pair-density wave formation in UTe2 and its correlation/competition with the charge-density wave order. Why, does your Lada need new tires?
Nice, pretending to be a scientist :) How's your pretend Ukrainian family by the way?
You could sell your car and buy me a set of new summer tires for the Porche.
And your position was shown to be asinine, so then you moved on from saying stupid stuff about WW2 and said stuff about other wars. Hell, you conveniently posted an article that said your position was asinine.
I didn't see the word asinine in the article though. You should read some articles by Daniele Ganser, then you would see no reason to stick with the dull (and frankly stupid) mainstream position of the US being a good guy and helper in this. He calls Russian invasion illegal, btw. You'd like that :)
Nope. Currently in a seminar on pair-density wave formation in UTe2 and its correlation/competition with the charge-density wave order. Why, does your Lada need new tires?
Nice, pretending to be a scientist :) How's your pretend Ukrainian family by the way?
You could sell your car and buy me a set of new summer tires for the Porche.
Nice, pretending to have a Porsche. Lemme guess a second-hand Boxster? Family is great. Back in the states for Christmas.
Nice, pretending to have a Porsche. Lemme guess a second-hand Boxster? Family is great. Back in the states for Christmas.
Taycan Turbo S. Helping Ukraine, by saying no to Russian oil and going electric instead :)
Well, imaginary or not, I still wish you and your family Merry Christmas. I will be less online these days, so you guys can get back to bashing on Carmine :)
Nice, pretending to have a Porsche. Lemme guess a second-hand Boxster? Family is great. Back in the states for Christmas.
Taycan Turbo S. Helping Ukraine, by saying no to Russian oil and going electric instead :)
Well, imaginary or not, I still wish you and your family Merry Christmas. I will be less online these days, so you guys can get back to bashing on Carmine :)
The Taycan is a nice car. My wife and I test drove one, along with 911 4S, but decided to go with something else for the time being.
How many civilians have be killed before Ukraine comes to it's senses & capitulates?
Your spin there -- "Ukraine comes to it's [sic] senses" -- is disgusting. Who the fvck are you to characterize people fighting and dying for their homeland against a murderous invader as people making nonsensical decisions? Ukrainians have shown they are willing to die by the thousands and have their women and children be terrorized by Russian thugs just to avoid being occupied by Russians. Their eyes are wide open to the terror and war conditions they live with every day and the decisions they make. Anyone who questions their bravery, sacrifice, patriotism and desire to live life on their own terms with cheap sh!t like "come to your senses" is a heartless, cowardly scumbag on par with the Russian invaders.
Ukraine will fight against invading Russians as long as they want to. The US and its allies will support that effort as long as Ukraine wants. Decent people will acknowledge their desires to be free of invasion and occupation and the sacrifices they make to achieve that. Other abnormal people, like yourself, Lolly and Carmine, are just all around horrible human beings day in and day out.
Lol. Problem with this lobotomized liberal premise is that Ukraine killed and bombed Russians in eastern Ukraine for 8 years. They started this war after the coup in 2014. Which the US led. The people of that region demanded to separate after said coup and farce installation of pro American leader. As an answer Ukraine attacked these people. Russia had enough. Russia has every right to take those territories by force. Bottom line is, as usual, the libs are supporting evil
The US embargoed Japan and provided arms to the Chinese during Japan's attempted territorial conquest in the years leading up to the Pearl Harbor attack, if that's what you mean.
The Pearl Harbor attack was largely motivated by the US oil embargo against Japan pending Japan's unconditional withdraw from China.
Yes, oil and scrap metal embargo was one of the main reasons. What added to escalation is that the US ships were constantly invading Japanese controlled waters.
Just like in Vietnam, btw. Whenever there's a war, miraculously the US finds a way to get involved :)
Do you think that the US should not have gotten involved in WWII? I'm sure the anti-Semites that post here, (C9) wish history played out that way.
Simple facts: Japan attacked the US. Nazi Germany declared war against the US. Another recent simple fact is that Russia invaded Ukraine.
How many civilians have be killed before Ukraine comes to it's senses & capitulates?
Your spin there -- "Ukraine comes to it's [sic] senses" -- is disgusting. Who the fvck are you to characterize people fighting and dying for their homeland against a murderous invader as people making nonsensical decisions? Ukrainians have shown they are willing to die by the thousands and have their women and children be terrorized by Russian thugs just to avoid being occupied by Russians. Their eyes are wide open to the terror and war conditions they live with every day and the decisions they make. Anyone who questions their bravery, sacrifice, patriotism and desire to live life on their own terms with cheap sh!t like "come to your senses" is a heartless, cowardly scumbag on par with the Russian invaders.
Ukraine will fight against invading Russians as long as they want to. The US and its allies will support that effort as long as Ukraine wants. Decent people will acknowledge their desires to be free of invasion and occupation and the sacrifices they make to achieve that. Other abnormal people, like yourself, Lolly and Carmine, are just all around horrible human beings day in and day out.
Who the fvck are you with your name calling & ad hominem attacks? You're just another immature keyboard warrior punk (imagine that). As I said here on a previous post in response to another posted who personally attacked me, I discuss & debate his Russo-Ukraine war a lot with acquaintances at my gym I give the same fvcking opinions on this mess that I post here. However, I don't get one single personal insult or any name calling. Some may disagree with me but there's none of this immature name calling & condemning me for having an opinion.
Since I've been posting on this thread, I haven't disrespected any poster by resorting to any name calling or making any derogatory remarks about them. It's punks like you that act like these internet tough guys just because someone has a different opinion that doesn't coincide with yours. My advice is to grow up a little --- away from that keyboard you're not as tough as you think you are.
Your spin there -- "Ukraine comes to it's [sic] senses" -- is disgusting. Who the fvck are you to characterize people fighting and dying for their homeland against a murderous invader as people making nonsensical decisions? Ukrainians have shown they are willing to die by the thousands and have their women and children be terrorized by Russian thugs just to avoid being occupied by Russians. Their eyes are wide open to the terror and war conditions they live with every day and the decisions they make. Anyone who questions their bravery, sacrifice, patriotism and desire to live life on their own terms with cheap sh!t like "come to your senses" is a heartless, cowardly scumbag on par with the Russian invaders.
Ukraine will fight against invading Russians as long as they want to. The US and its allies will support that effort as long as Ukraine wants. Decent people will acknowledge their desires to be free of invasion and occupation and the sacrifices they make to achieve that. Other abnormal people, like yourself, Lolly and Carmine, are just all around horrible human beings day in and day out.
Who the fvck are you with your name calling & ad hominem attacks? You're just another immature keyboard warrior punk (imagine that). As I said here on a previous post in response to another posted who personally attacked me, I discuss & debate his Russo-Ukraine war a lot with acquaintances at my gym I give the same fvcking opinions on this mess that I post here. However, I don't get one single personal insult or any name calling. Some may disagree with me but there's none of this immature name calling & condemning me for having an opinion.
Since I've been posting on this thread, I haven't disrespected any poster by resorting to any name calling or making any derogatory remarks about them. It's punks like you that act like these internet tough guys just because someone has a different opinion that doesn't coincide with yours. My advice is to grow up a little --- away from that keyboard you're not as tough as you think you are.
I specifically told you earlier not to get your balls in an uproar, yet here you are again with your balls in an uproar.
You disrespected, insulted and attacked every Ukrainian who has died defending their country from the Russian invasion with your disgusting comment that they all need to "come to their senses." Who the fvck are you to tell people defending themselves against thugs and murderers that they need to "come to their senses" and surrender?
Who else do you say that about? Do you think the passengers on Flight 93 should have quitting acting nonsensically, sat back and let the terrorists fly the plane wherever they want? Was Todd Beamer just being a nonsensical guy on September 11, 2001?
What about all your millions of Russian countrymen in WWII who were killed by the Germans? Should they have just "come to their senses" and quit defending themselves from the Nazis?
You have a disgusting, heartless attitude. You should come to your senses and try being an actual human being instead of a shill for Russian scumbags.
Putin had planned this invasion for over a decade. Why did he wait until February '22?
1) He saw the U.S. as weak with Biden in office, especially after the Afghanistan debacle (the latter which the tinfoil brigade ignores because it goes against their "America is an overbearing, sinister and powerful bully" narrative)
2) He had Germany over a barrel, literally, in terms of energy dependence, so banked on EU weakness.
3) He underestimated Zelensky's leadership capability and the Ukraine preparedness and resolve
4) Donbas conflict had reached a stalemate, with the least fighting and civilian casualties since it's beginning in 2014. Peace was threatening on the Ukraine horizon.
The U.S. "provocation", if anything, was in projecting weakness, which is like a red cape in front of a bull(y). The bully (who has come to believe his own BS) enters a delusional state where he can roll over his opposition unopposed.
These are the irrefutable facts. For which Putin, and all those who follow his diktats, will roast in hell.
Who the fvck are you with your name calling & ad hominem attacks? You're just another immature keyboard warrior punk (imagine that). As I said here on a previous post in response to another posted who personally attacked me, I discuss & debate his Russo-Ukraine war a lot with acquaintances at my gym I give the same fvcking opinions on this mess that I post here. However, I don't get one single personal insult or any name calling. Some may disagree with me but there's none of this immature name calling & condemning me for having an opinion.
Since I've been posting on this thread, I haven't disrespected any poster by resorting to any name calling or making any derogatory remarks about them. It's punks like you that act like these internet tough guys just because someone has a different opinion that doesn't coincide with yours. My advice is to grow up a little --- away from that keyboard you're not as tough as you think you are.
I specifically told you earlier not to get your balls in an uproar, yet here you are again with your balls in an uproar.
You disrespected, insulted and attacked every Ukrainian who has died defending their country from the Russian invasion with your disgusting comment that they all need to "come to their senses." Who the fvck are you to tell people defending themselves against thugs and murderers that they need to "come to their senses" and surrender?
Who else do you say that about? Do you think the passengers on Flight 93 should have quitting acting nonsensically, sat back and let the terrorists fly the plane wherever they want? Was Todd Beamer just being a nonsensical guy on September 11, 2001?
What about all your millions of Russian countrymen in WWII who were killed by the Germans? Should they have just "come to their senses" and quit defending themselves from the Nazis?
You have a disgusting, heartless attitude. You should come to your senses and try being an actual human being instead of a shill for Russian scumbags.
I'm not a shill for Russian scumbags you immature punk. So, you want Ukraine to continue to fight an unwinnable war against a super nuclear-power country! You really think Ukraine can win this thing? I suppose you believe that Putin will anyday now order a ceasefire, withdrawal all his troops out of Ukraine, address the Kremlin & the Russian people on his failure & then kindly turn himself in to be tried for war crimes? 🤣
How many more innocent civilians have to die because that knucklehead Ukrainian president won't sit down with Putin & work out some peace negotiations.
Russia isn't going anywhere - they'll continue to pound away at the Ukrainian infrastructure setting that country back to stone age. And sleepy idiot Biden will continue to flood billions of taxpayers $$$ to Ukraine that could be better spent on the needs of the American people!!!
Let's revisit this 3 months from now & you'll see nothing has changed but more destruction of Ukraine's infrastructure & the killing of innocent civilians.
The posters on this thread using Ukrainians for entertainment should go out and dig a trench, fill it with water and sleep there all freezing night, to show their solidarity. Least they could do.
The posters on this thread using Ukrainians for entertainment should go out and dig a trench, fill it with water and sleep there all freezing night, to show their solidarity. Least they could do.
Leave it to you to come up with a pointless, fruitless and mindless suggestion like that. What Ukrainians care about is having our munitions sent for THEM to defend THEIR homeland, just as WE would do given similar circumstances. I am satisfied with that arrangement, as are they.
Save the posturing and virtue-signaling for saving the transgendered baby seals from the climate apocalypse, Alexandra.