This thread was deleted by a volunteer moderator. I certainly don't want a thread this big deleted so I've restored. THat being said, this thread has served it's purpose. I've closed it to new posts.
We have a new 2024 vaccine thread here. New people don't need to try to wade through 20,000 posts to figure out what is going on.
"This systematic review and meta-analysis of secondary data from 40 studies found that the estimated vaccine effectiveness against both laboratory-confirmed Omicron infection and symptomatic disease was lower than 20% at 6 months from the administration of the primary vaccination cycle and less than 30% at 9 months from the administration of a booster dose. Compared with the Delta variant, a more prominent and quicker waning of protection was found."
"These findings suggest that the effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines against laboratory-confirmed Omicron or Delta infection and symptomatic disease rapidly wanes over time after the primary vaccination cycle and booster dose."
Yes multiple drugs work great in many cases. It’s rare that those drugs do nothing on their own. IL6R mAbs help with COVID inflammation, steroids help too, they work even better together. That’s not what I’m talking about.
Im talking about the IVM/HCQ does nothing but when you add Zinc and Curcumin it magically works (spoiler it doesn’t). It’s just not how pharmacology works. There are very niche examples! But going to zero to hero thanks to an extra drug is not an expected or testable outcome.
IVM and HCQ are Zinc ionophores, increasing the cellular ability to absorb Zinc, and the science of the combination of Zinc + ionophores vs coronavirus and other viruses has been long established. Here's 2010 calling, pay special attention to the name Ralph Baric.
Increasing the intracellular Zn(2+) concentration with zinc-ionophores like pyrithione (PT) can efficiently impair the replication of a variety of RNA viruses, including poliovirus and influenza virus. For some viruses this e...
"In 2013, the American virologist Ralph Baric approached Zhengli Shi at a meeting. Baric was a top expert in coronaviruses, with hundreds of papers to his credit, and Shi, along with her team at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, had been discovering them by the fistful in bat caves. In one sample of bat guano, Shi had detected the genome of a new virus, called SHC014, that was one of the two closest relatives to the original SARS virus, but her team had not been able to culture it in the lab.
"Baric had developed a way around that problem—a technique for “reverse genetics” in coronaviruses. Not only did it allow him to bring an actual virus to life from its genetic code, but he could mix and match parts of multiple viruses. He wanted to take the “spike” gene from SHC014 and move it into a genetic copy of the SARS virus he already had in his lab. The spike molecule is what lets a coronavirus open a cell and get inside it. The resulting chimera would demonstrate whether the spike of SHC014 would attach to human cells."
IVM/HCQ + Zinc had to be discredited, or there would be no legal justification for the EUAs for the "vaccines." However, everyone who knew the actual science was on IVM and/or HCQ + Zinc, and NOT taking the "vaccines," even while they were on TV telling the general population to take the "vaccines" and NOT to take IVM, because "you're not a horse."
Every vaxxer here is a follower of scientism, making a religion out of following science authorities, rather than practicing the discipline of science (those people are anti-vaxxers now, as they must be if they followed reason, logic, evidence, etc).
For UNVACCINATED Me: 0 deaths, 0 hospitalizations - and because I know you're counting, that's after 1150 days of Covid madness and 871 days of "vaccine" lunacy.
For UNVACCINATED Me: 0 deaths, 0 hospitalizations - and because I know you're counting, that's after 1150 days of Covid madness and 871 days of "vaccine" lunacy.
Now do the 300k dead Americans you gleefully dug the graves of?
For UNVACCINATED Me: 0 deaths, 0 hospitalizations - and because I know you're counting, that's after 1150 days of Covid madness and 871 days of "vaccine" lunacy.
Now do the 300k dead Americans you gleefully dug the graves of?
Where's the midjourney AI of DanM, Covidiocy, Alex Jones Was Right, and throw in Lead Foil Hat (RIP) tossing dirt on a grave labeled '300k innocent Americans.'
Now do the 300k dead Americans you gleefully dug the graves of?
Where's the midjourney AI of DanM, Covidiocy, Alex Jones Was Right, and throw in Lead Foil Hat (RIP) tossing dirt on a grave labeled '300k innocent Americans.'
Maybe I can commission Ben Garrison?
Except you neglect to mention that a good 90% of those patients were obese and/or with significant comorbidities, exactly the group I’ve always advocated should get vaccinated. But if they still steadfastly refused, we had treatments to mitigate worst outcomes, treatments that you would discard in favor of, you know, those “extremely effective” and nontoxic therapies of Remdesivir plus ketamine/propofol/midozolam. Lol.
You are just an extremely butt hurt individual who cannot stand that someone like me exists, someone with a background in science who removed myself from the echo chamber, defied convention, and “miraculously” thwarted what appeared to be a fairly innocuous Coronavirus for the majority of people with no ill effects whatsoever. We truly are living the Twilight Zone.
Yes multiple drugs work great in many cases. It’s rare that those drugs do nothing on their own. IL6R mAbs help with COVID inflammation, steroids help too, they work even better together. That’s not what I’m talking about.
Im talking about the IVM/HCQ does nothing but when you add Zinc and Curcumin it magically works (spoiler it doesn’t). It’s just not how pharmacology works. There are very niche examples! But going to zero to hero thanks to an extra drug is not an expected or testable outcome.
IVM and HCQ are Zinc ionophores, increasing the cellular ability to absorb Zinc, and the science of the combination of Zinc + ionophores vs coronavirus and other viruses has been long established. Here's 2010 calling, pay special attention to the name Ralph Baric.
"In 2013, the American virologist Ralph Baric approached Zhengli Shi at a meeting. Baric was a top expert in coronaviruses, with hundreds of papers to his credit, and Shi, along with her team at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, had been discovering them by the fistful in bat caves. In one sample of bat guano, Shi had detected the genome of a new virus, called SHC014, that was one of the two closest relatives to the original SARS virus, but her team had not been able to culture it in the lab.
"Baric had developed a way around that problem—a technique for “reverse genetics” in coronaviruses. Not only did it allow him to bring an actual virus to life from its genetic code, but he could mix and match parts of multiple viruses. He wanted to take the “spike” gene from SHC014 and move it into a genetic copy of the SARS virus he already had in his lab. The spike molecule is what lets a coronavirus open a cell and get inside it. The resulting chimera would demonstrate whether the spike of SHC014 would attach to human cells."
IVM/HCQ + Zinc had to be discredited, or there would be no legal justification for the EUAs for the "vaccines." However, everyone who knew the actual science was on IVM and/or HCQ + Zinc, and NOT taking the "vaccines," even while they were on TV telling the general population to take the "vaccines" and NOT to take IVM, because "you're not a horse."
Every vaxxer here is a follower of scientism, making a religion out of following science authorities, rather than practicing the discipline of science (those people are anti-vaxxers now, as they must be if they followed reason, logic, evidence, etc).
It’s interesting. My very first Duke-trained physician was the first person I ever heard utter the drug Ivermectin and “zinc ionophore.” He was unorthodox and a big proponent of a cocktail to mitigate Covid for low-risk groups versus vaccination. I never took it, nor have I seen extremely compelling *in vivo* data on it. That doesn’t mean it doesn’t help. There is some data:
Aims: Ivermectin is a safe, inexpensive and effective early COVID-19 treatment validated in 20+ random, controlled trials. Having developed combination therapies for Helicobacter pylori, the authors present a highly effective...
IVM and HCQ are Zinc ionophores, increasing the cellular ability to absorb Zinc, and the science of the combination of Zinc + ionophores vs coronavirus and other viruses has been long established. Here's 2010 calling, pay special attention to the name Ralph Baric.
"In 2013, the American virologist Ralph Baric approached Zhengli Shi at a meeting. Baric was a top expert in coronaviruses, with hundreds of papers to his credit, and Shi, along with her team at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, had been discovering them by the fistful in bat caves. In one sample of bat guano, Shi had detected the genome of a new virus, called SHC014, that was one of the two closest relatives to the original SARS virus, but her team had not been able to culture it in the lab.
"Baric had developed a way around that problem—a technique for “reverse genetics” in coronaviruses. Not only did it allow him to bring an actual virus to life from its genetic code, but he could mix and match parts of multiple viruses. He wanted to take the “spike” gene from SHC014 and move it into a genetic copy of the SARS virus he already had in his lab. The spike molecule is what lets a coronavirus open a cell and get inside it. The resulting chimera would demonstrate whether the spike of SHC014 would attach to human cells."
IVM/HCQ + Zinc had to be discredited, or there would be no legal justification for the EUAs for the "vaccines." However, everyone who knew the actual science was on IVM and/or HCQ + Zinc, and NOT taking the "vaccines," even while they were on TV telling the general population to take the "vaccines" and NOT to take IVM, because "you're not a horse."
Every vaxxer here is a follower of scientism, making a religion out of following science authorities, rather than practicing the discipline of science (those people are anti-vaxxers now, as they must be if they followed reason, logic, evidence, etc).
It’s interesting. My very first Duke-trained physician was the first person I ever heard utter the drug Ivermectin and “zinc ionophore.” He was unorthodox and a big proponent of a cocktail to mitigate Covid for low-risk groups versus vaccination. I never took it, nor have I seen extremely compelling *in vivo* data on it. That doesn’t mean it doesn’t help. There is some data:
This particular study is unreliable. Nonetheless, the in vitro data is interesting. I’m guessing there is some merit to it. However, “Alex…,” in vitro efficacy does not equal in vivo efficacy. But, Zinc has been shown to be a reliable RNA polymerase inhibitor, so there was really no harm in trying to mitigate worst outcomes, especially in higher risk groups who still steadfastly refused the vaccine.
Where's the midjourney AI of DanM, Covidiocy, Alex Jones Was Right, and throw in Lead Foil Hat (RIP) tossing dirt on a grave labeled '300k innocent Americans.'
Maybe I can commission Ben Garrison?
Except you neglect to mention that a good 90% of those patients were obese and/or with significant comorbidities, exactly the group I’ve always advocated should get vaccinated. But if they still steadfastly refused, we had treatments to mitigate worst outcomes, treatments that you would discard in favor of, you know, those “extremely effective” and nontoxic therapies of Remdesivir plus ketamine/propofol/midozolam. Lol.
You are just an extremely butt hurt individual who cannot stand that someone like me exists, someone with a background in science who removed myself from the echo chamber, defied convention, and “miraculously” thwarted what appeared to be a fairly innocuous Coronavirus for the majority of people with no ill effects whatsoever. We truly are living the Twilight Zone.
I'll make sure Ben includes a label 'they were obese so it's OK' on the comic.
Got you, brother.
I'm sure HCQ/IVM will work - just one more trial, bro, just one more trial.
Except you neglect to mention that a good 90% of those patients were obese and/or with significant comorbidities, exactly the group I’ve always advocated should get vaccinated. But if they still steadfastly refused, we had treatments to mitigate worst outcomes, treatments that you would discard in favor of, you know, those “extremely effective” and nontoxic therapies of Remdesivir plus ketamine/propofol/midozolam. Lol.
You are just an extremely butt hurt individual who cannot stand that someone like me exists, someone with a background in science who removed myself from the echo chamber, defied convention, and “miraculously” thwarted what appeared to be a fairly innocuous Coronavirus for the majority of people with no ill effects whatsoever. We truly are living the Twilight Zone.
I'll make sure Ben includes a label 'they were obese so it's OK' on the comic.
Got you, brother.
I'm sure HCQ/IVM will work - just one more trial, bro, just one more trial.
Nope, you don’t “got me.” Clearly didn’t read what I wrote, never have. Just another butthurt, disingenuous liberal who of course “knows it all” and has the best intentions of course. Only you don’t. But, hey, you’re a wealthy, “self made” crypto gazillionaire, lol, who “keeps up with the lit.” Good on ya mate.
Where's the midjourney AI of DanM, Covidiocy, Alex Jones Was Right, and throw in Lead Foil Hat (RIP) tossing dirt on a grave labeled '300k innocent Americans.'
Maybe I can commission Ben Garrison?
Except you neglect to mention that a good 90% of those patients were obese and/or with significant comorbidities, exactly the group I’ve always advocated should get vaccinated. But if they still steadfastly refused, we had treatments to mitigate worst outcomes, treatments that you would discard in favor of, you know, those “extremely effective” and nontoxic therapies of Remdesivir plus ketamine/propofol/midozolam. Lol.
You are just an extremely butt hurt individual who cannot stand that someone like me exists, someone with a background in science who removed myself from the echo chamber, defied convention, and “miraculously” thwarted what appeared to be a fairly innocuous Coronavirus for the majority of people with no ill effects whatsoever. We truly are living the Twilight Zone.
They ran trials for everything under the sun and almost all repurposing trials failed. Just because you want it desperately to be a conspiracy doesn’t mean it is. Just because you refuse to familiarize yourself with the trials that were done doesn’t mean they weren’t done. Just because you don’t want to accept the negative results doesn’t mean the trials were done poorly.
This insistence is getting tired. You’re on the level of the “vaccines don’t work” and “vaccines are killing thousands” people now.
I honestly don’t get the obsession with magic polypharmacy. It’s just not how pharmacology works. I guess it’s a space where charlatans can use in vitro data (or just biological nonsense) to concoct plausible models and generate content/grift for $.
The obvious answer is that drug discovery is hard but it’s much more seductive to imply there’s secret knowledge being hidden.
IVM and HCQ are Zinc ionophores, increasing the cellular ability to absorb Zinc, and the science of the combination of Zinc + ionophores vs coronavirus and other viruses has been long established. Here's 2010 calling, pay special attention to the name Ralph Baric.
"In 2013, the American virologist Ralph Baric approached Zhengli Shi at a meeting. Baric was a top expert in coronaviruses, with hundreds of papers to his credit, and Shi, along with her team at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, had been discovering them by the fistful in bat caves. In one sample of bat guano, Shi had detected the genome of a new virus, called SHC014, that was one of the two closest relatives to the original SARS virus, but her team had not been able to culture it in the lab.
"Baric had developed a way around that problem—a technique for “reverse genetics” in coronaviruses. Not only did it allow him to bring an actual virus to life from its genetic code, but he could mix and match parts of multiple viruses. He wanted to take the “spike” gene from SHC014 and move it into a genetic copy of the SARS virus he already had in his lab. The spike molecule is what lets a coronavirus open a cell and get inside it. The resulting chimera would demonstrate whether the spike of SHC014 would attach to human cells."
IVM/HCQ + Zinc had to be discredited, or there would be no legal justification for the EUAs for the "vaccines." However, everyone who knew the actual science was on IVM and/or HCQ + Zinc, and NOT taking the "vaccines," even while they were on TV telling the general population to take the "vaccines" and NOT to take IVM, because "you're not a horse."
Every vaxxer here is a follower of scientism, making a religion out of following science authorities, rather than practicing the discipline of science (those people are anti-vaxxers now, as they must be if they followed reason, logic, evidence, etc).
It’s interesting. My very first Duke-trained physician was the first person I ever heard utter the drug Ivermectin and “zinc ionophore.” He was unorthodox and a big proponent of a cocktail to mitigate Covid for low-risk groups versus vaccination. I never took it, nor have I seen extremely compelling *in vivo* data on it. That doesn’t mean it doesn’t help. There is some data:
Hey at least there aren’t NIH FUNDED!!! See how stupid that dismissal is?
Financial & competing interests disclosure This study was funded by ProgenaBiome, LLC. S Hazan declares that she has pecuniary interest in Topelia Pty Ltd in Australia and Topelia Pty Ltd in the USA where development of COVID-19 preventative/treatment options are being pursued. She has also filed patents relevant to coronavirus treatments. She is the founder and owner of Microbiome Research Foundation, ProgenaBiome and Ventura Clinical Trials. TJ Borody declares that he has pecuniary interest in Topelia Pty Ltd in Australia and Topelia Therapeutics, Inc. in the USA developing COVID-19 preventative/treatment medications. He has also filed patents relevant to COVID-19 treatments. S Dave declares she has corporate affiliation to McKesson Specialty Health / Ontada and North End Advisory, LLC, and affiliation to Microbiome Research Foundation (a non-profit). S Dave is unaware of and not directly involved in COVID-19 treatment–relevant projects at McKesson, but they may exist. The authors have no other relevant affiliations or financial involvement with any organization or entity with a financial interest in or financial conflict with the subject matter or materials discussed in the manuscript apart from those disclosed S Dave provided medical writing assistance for this paper and was funded by ProgenaBiome and Microbiome Research Foundation.
They ran trials for everything under the sun and almost all repurposing trials failed. Just because you want it desperately to be a conspiracy doesn’t mean it is. Just because you refuse to familiarize yourself with the trials that were done doesn’t mean they weren’t done. Just because you don’t want to accept the negative results doesn’t mean the trials were done poorly.
This insistence is getting tired. You’re on the level of the “vaccines don’t work” and “vaccines are killing thousands” people now.
I'll make sure Ben includes a label 'they were obese so it's OK' on the comic.
Got you, brother.
I'm sure HCQ/IVM will work - just one more trial, bro, just one more trial.
Nope, you don’t “got me.” Clearly didn’t read what I wrote, never have. Just another butthurt, disingenuous liberal who of course “knows it all” and has the best intentions of course. Only you don’t. But, hey, you’re a wealthy, “self made” crypto gazillionaire, lol, who “keeps up with the lit.” Good on ya mate.
I’m not butthurt at all. Merely pointing out that basically none of your claims are supported by evidence. Ideas arent worth the paper they’re printed on in science.
