This thread was deleted by a volunteer moderator. I certainly don't want a thread this big deleted so I've restored. THat being said, this thread has served it's purpose. I've closed it to new posts.
We have a new 2024 vaccine thread here. New people don't need to try to wade through 20,000 posts to figure out what is going on.
Definitely no confounding variables at play here, none whatsoever. Also, the touch of diarrhea my antivax friend had this morning was definitely from the vax too
You speak of ideas far to complex for even the smartest anti vaxxers 😂
Lol, I'm an optimist. One day, Unkle will stop letting his confirmation bias ruthlessly rule over him.
Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19), caused by the severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus type 2 (SARS-CoV-2), has been associated mainly with a range of neurological symptoms, including brain fog and brain tissue loss...
The preprint shows if you 1) get infected with SARS-CoV-2 or 2) inject spike protein directly into your brain. You can have neurological damage. I’d try to avoid either one those!
It’s hilarious how the anti vaxxers main claims these days stem from:
A study shows that COVID is bad for you, therefore vaccination might also be bad for you in the same way!!! - despite COVID universally being worse for you than vaccination in ever comparison, ever.
Tinnitus, or ringing in the ears, has been linked to Covid vaccines. The CDC says there's no clear evidence, but researchers point to emerging theories.
As of Sunday, at least 16,183 people had filed complaints with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention that they'd developed tinnitus, or ringing in their ears, after receiving a Covid vaccine.
LetsGoBrando45, just based off the username, sounds like he’s totally this big fan of Anthony Fauci. What happened to LGB crypto coin? Is Dr. Fauci responsible for the downfall? Can it be used anywhere to buy anything if I don’t want to hoard it?
You seem intelligent, so I wonder if you truly believe all the nonsense you spew. There’s this web site thingy called Google. You can enter in keywords and questions and Google will provide you with many sites with information. You should try it rather than staying glued to CNN. But, I’ll help you out with one link to support this claim, “There was never any evidence of hospitals in the US being overwhelmed by covid patients (in fact, hospital admissions fell dramatically in 2020).”
LetsGoBrando45, just based off the username, sounds like he’s totally this big fan of Anthony Fauci. What happened to LGB crypto coin? Is Dr. Fauci responsible for the downfall? Can it be used anywhere to buy anything if I don’t want to hoard it?
Classic simpleminded liberal “debate” tactic to attack the wrong source. The correct source is the video evidence of Fauci uttering lies.
Hey, this is too broad. It is only American liberals that use this tactic. Liberals in other parts of the world can be rational critical thinkers that hold thoughts different from the party platform. We can also admit when we were wrong. From reading this thread, I can see that American liberals are never wrong so long as they are able to stay current with party talking points.
hey retard, you took a completely useless experimental injection with acute and potentially long-term side effects we can't even fathom. at best, your repeated mRNA doses do nothing. At worst, you're a ticking time bomb.
the cope is you, clot coffin
that's why you're here all the time defending your stupid decision while most of the early vaxxtards on this board have disappeared and the rest of the world shuts up and realizes the truth
and just so your spike-protein brain can understand something... your numbers are almost as inane as you are. But I guess you have no choice to repeated pathetic lies while every day the data comes out against you?
you vaxxoids really are a special breed, always calling out sick at my workplace with their deteriorating immune systems
here's a good guide of how millions of geniuses like you got played
Note error: At 0:54 I said "10% vaccinated by week 14" when I should have said "10% unvaccinated by week 14" (as is correctly shown in the table).Why classif...
It’s hilarious how the anti vaxxers main claims these days stem from:
A study shows that COVID is bad for you, therefore vaccination might also be bad for you in the same way!!! - despite COVID universally being worse for you than vaccination in ever comparison, ever.
Just pure cope.
Your trolls can't be any more lame. It is obvious that you don't even believe your own screed. I guess you are obligated to fulfill the terms of the agreement you made with your financial backers and the requirement to post something. How much longer will they pay you ? Does the money stop on May 11 ?
It’s hilarious how the anti vaxxers main claims these days stem from:
A study shows that COVID is bad for you, therefore vaccination might also be bad for you in the same way!!! - despite COVID universally being worse for you than vaccination in ever comparison, ever.
Just pure cope.
Your trolls can't be any more lame. It is obvious that you don't even believe your own screed. I guess you are obligated to fulfill the terms of the agreement you made with your financial backers and the requirement to post something. How much longer will they pay you ? Does the money stop on May 11 ?
I’m not the one with 300k dead Americans’ blood on my hands.
Your trolls can't be any more lame. It is obvious that you don't even believe your own screed. I guess you are obligated to fulfill the terms of the agreement you made with your financial backers and the requirement to post something. How much longer will they pay you ? Does the money stop on May 11 ?
I’m not the one with 300k dead Americans’ blood on my hands.
Here’s the reality with the vaccine and this particular virus. The immunity wanes. The efficacy wanes. That’s the bottom line. Sure, we have ONE peer-reviewed paper showing adaptive immunity is more durable with the vaccine versus natural convalescence (despite having earlier published papers showing the opposite, especially re: T cells) and ONE paper that suggests autoimmunity can be a *risk* in the unvaccinated.
You are a scientist. You should be cynical. Who was funding this research (besides just a ubiquitous NIH grant)? What foundations and pharma were funding these papers, and is it possible the researchers have an agenda that the must adhere to, you know, for “public health?” You are well aware of the grant process. 90% of the time, you are doing the bidding of your benefactor. There’s nothing about science that makes this process agnostic. Like everything else in life, it is vulnerable to being tainted.
That 300k dead is just a silly figure to keep throwing around. Firstly, how many of us followed CDC guidelines when we got sick so as to mitigate spread? After I got a very mild case of Omicron from a liberal, very belligerent, pro-mask friend bcuz she thought she was merely sick from her recent shingles vaccine (which is ironic, bcuz stay the fukk home if you don’t feel well and she was thrice vaxxed), I quarantined myself for the requisite 10 days and until I threw two negative tests 48 hours apart. Many of us followed that simple advice.
Also, was Remdesivir (uselessly and harmfully administered after day 7 of the replicative cycle) and the three-vent sedative protocol of Midozolam, propofol, and ketamine REALLY peer reviewed and tried through RCTs? Relative to the easy stuff to administer like Fluvoxamine, budesonide, steroids, vitamin D, cypraheptadine, etc? No, actually it really wasn’t and it killed people. Dare I say it killed 300k people. And, alas, now we have solid literature supporting the use of budesonide and Fluvoxamine to prevent serious illness. We always had it, but it was only the unconventional MDs not beholden to any hospital or medical orthodoxy who administered it and saved lives, even before the vaccine was available.
It’s pretty obvious in hindsight that nuance was needed in this entire conversation and only the very risky demographics needed the vaccine, and we had drugs to ward off the very worst. Plus, it’s still too early to say whether the vaccine was “worth it.” We still don’t know all of the longer term ramifications and the efficacy is rather poor.
Classic simpleminded liberal “debate” tactic to attack the wrong source. The correct source is the video evidence of Fauci uttering lies.
Hey, this is too broad. It is only American liberals that use this tactic. Liberals in other parts of the world can be rational critical thinkers that hold thoughts different from the party platform. We can also admit when we were wrong. From reading this thread, I can see that American liberals are never wrong so long as they are able to stay current with party talking points.
Here's the real issue:
Nobody actually cares about Fauci. He was director of an NIH sub-division. Not COVID-emperor.
The obsession with him as if he was the single source of information and policy decisions is obviously just rage from antivaxxers and COVID-deniers that know they were wrong, embarrassed, and desperately need a scapegoat.
Here’s the reality with the vaccine and this particular virus. The immunity wanes. The efficacy wanes. That’s the bottom line. Sure, we have ONE peer-reviewed paper showing adaptive immunity is more durable with the vaccine versus natural convalescence (despite having earlier published papers showing the opposite, especially re: T cells) and ONE paper that suggests autoimmunity can be a *risk* in the unvaccinated.
You are a scientist. You should be cynical. Who was funding this research (besides just a ubiquitous NIH grant)? What foundations and pharma were funding these papers, and is it possible the researchers have an agenda that the must adhere to, you know, for “public health?” You are well aware of the grant process. 90% of the time, you are doing the bidding of your benefactor. There’s nothing about science that makes this process agnostic. Like everything else in life, it is vulnerable to being tainted.
That 300k dead is just a silly figure to keep throwing around. Firstly, how many of us followed CDC guidelines when we got sick so as to mitigate spread? After I got a very mild case of Omicron from a liberal, very belligerent, pro-mask friend bcuz she thought she was merely sick from her recent shingles vaccine (which is ironic, bcuz stay the fukk home if you don’t feel well and she was thrice vaxxed), I quarantined myself for the requisite 10 days and until I threw two negative tests 48 hours apart. Many of us followed that simple advice.
Wow this is great:
1) you admit the evidence supports superiority of vaccine-driven immunity and long term risks from unvaccinated covid infections. ONE paper (there are more than one) is still more evidence than the other side.
If you weren't running around claiming how much better getting COVID was than the vaccine, maybe you'd have a point on nuance -- but here it just looks like you've changed your mind and admitted I am right.
2) Your argument about politics in science applies across the spectrum. This applies even more so to crank grifters doing 'science' on blog posts who depend solely on donations from fanboys. What do you think the pressure is for these guys to say what their audience wants to hear?
If you want to discount evidence against your priors by saying "the whole scientific apparatus is comprimised -- want can't know anything!! then you necessarily invalidate your own arguments too!
Unless you have some very compelling reason while some bloggers analysis is going to be more trustworthy than multiple labs in different countries around the world, I will stick with the dudes actually running experiments.
3) The 300k dead is a fine figure. It's very straightforward math from IFR_unvaxxed vs. IFR_vaxxed (for WT and Delta strains) and then lags in vaccine uptakes. If everyone got vaxxed when they could have been, 300k less people would have died.
Antivaxxers spread propaganda that killed them. Cool.
Hey, this is too broad. It is only American liberals that use this tactic. Liberals in other parts of the world can be rational critical thinkers that hold thoughts different from the party platform. We can also admit when we were wrong. From reading this thread, I can see that American liberals are never wrong so long as they are able to stay current with party talking points.
Here's the real issue:
Nobody actually cares about Fauci. He was director of an NIH sub-division. Not COVID-emperor.
The obsession with him as if he was the single source of information and policy decisions is obviously just rage from antivaxxers and COVID-deniers that know they were wrong, embarrassed, and desperately need a scapegoat.
Nope, actually he was Covid-emperor. That’s exactly what he was. Not czar but Emperor. He dictated policy, even if he wants to backpedal and say he didn’t directly dictate it. He and the resigned Francis Collins buried the Great Barrington Declaration, not allowing for any nuanced conversation around it, even if on its face it wasn’t the most appropriate policy. He generated the narrative to dispel the lab leak hypothesis. He dictated mask policy. He was the face of Covid and a rock star while it lasted. He owns it.
Here’s the reality with the vaccine and this particular virus. The immunity wanes. The efficacy wanes. That’s the bottom line. Sure, we have ONE peer-reviewed paper showing adaptive immunity is more durable with the vaccine versus natural convalescence (despite having earlier published papers showing the opposite, especially re: T cells) and ONE paper that suggests autoimmunity can be a *risk* in the unvaccinated.
You are a scientist. You should be cynical. Who was funding this research (besides just a ubiquitous NIH grant)? What foundations and pharma were funding these papers, and is it possible the researchers have an agenda that the must adhere to, you know, for “public health?” You are well aware of the grant process. 90% of the time, you are doing the bidding of your benefactor. There’s nothing about science that makes this process agnostic. Like everything else in life, it is vulnerable to being tainted.
That 300k dead is just a silly figure to keep throwing around. Firstly, how many of us followed CDC guidelines when we got sick so as to mitigate spread? After I got a very mild case of Omicron from a liberal, very belligerent, pro-mask friend bcuz she thought she was merely sick from her recent shingles vaccine (which is ironic, bcuz stay the fukk home if you don’t feel well and she was thrice vaxxed), I quarantined myself for the requisite 10 days and until I threw two negative tests 48 hours apart. Many of us followed that simple advice.
Also, was Remdesivir (uselessly and harmfully administered after day 7 of the replicative cycle) and the three-vent sedative protocol of Midozolam, propofol, and ketamine REALLY peer reviewed and tried through RCTs? Relative to the easy stuff to administer like Fluvoxamine, budesonide, steroids, vitamin D, cypraheptadine, etc? No, actually it really wasn’t and it killed people. Dare I say it killed 300k people. And, alas, now we have solid literature supporting the use of budesonide and Fluvoxamine to prevent serious illness. We always had it, but it was only the unconventional MDs not beholden to any hospital or medical orthodoxy who administered it and saved lives, even before the vaccine was available.
It’s pretty obvious in hindsight that nuance was needed in this entire conversation and only the very risky demographics needed the vaccine, and we had drugs to ward off the very worst. Plus, it’s still too early to say whether the vaccine was “worth it.” We still don’t know all of the longer term ramifications and the efficacy is rather poor.
Sorry man the evidence of vaccine efficacy is so overwhelming globally that I cannot get worked up about bias/corruption.
It’s been 2 years. Long term issues would show up. The myth of the long-term conditions lurking completely asymptomatically is compelling for the vaccine-haters but it’s never been reflected in real world data. Long term damage is almost correlated with an acute or short term event as well. But I’ll let you handwave a mechanism or something… what your idea? What’s lurking? What have we missed?
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Here’s the reality with the vaccine and this particular virus. The immunity wanes. The efficacy wanes. That’s the bottom line. Sure, we have ONE peer-reviewed paper showing adaptive immunity is more durable with the vaccine versus natural convalescence (despite having earlier published papers showing the opposite, especially re: T cells) and ONE paper that suggests autoimmunity can be a *risk* in the unvaccinated.
You are a scientist. You should be cynical. Who was funding this research (besides just a ubiquitous NIH grant)? What foundations and pharma were funding these papers, and is it possible the researchers have an agenda that the must adhere to, you know, for “public health?” You are well aware of the grant process. 90% of the time, you are doing the bidding of your benefactor. There’s nothing about science that makes this process agnostic. Like everything else in life, it is vulnerable to being tainted.
That 300k dead is just a silly figure to keep throwing around. Firstly, how many of us followed CDC guidelines when we got sick so as to mitigate spread? After I got a very mild case of Omicron from a liberal, very belligerent, pro-mask friend bcuz she thought she was merely sick from her recent shingles vaccine (which is ironic, bcuz stay the fukk home if you don’t feel well and she was thrice vaxxed), I quarantined myself for the requisite 10 days and until I threw two negative tests 48 hours apart. Many of us followed that simple advice.
Wow this is great:
1) you admit the evidence supports superiority of vaccine-driven immunity and long term risks from unvaccinated covid infections. ONE paper (there are more than one) is still more evidence than the other side.
If you weren't running around claiming how much better getting COVID was than the vaccine, maybe you'd have a point on nuance -- but here it just looks like you've changed your mind and admitted I am right.
2) Your argument about politics in science applies across the spectrum. This applies even more so to crank grifters doing 'science' on blog posts who depend solely on donations from fanboys. What do you think the pressure is for these guys to say what their audience wants to hear?
If you want to discount evidence against your priors by saying "the whole scientific apparatus is comprimised -- want can't know anything!! then you necessarily invalidate your own arguments too!
Unless you have some very compelling reason while some bloggers analysis is going to be more trustworthy than multiple labs in different countries around the world, I will stick with the dudes actually running experiments.
3) The 300k dead is a fine figure. It's very straightforward math from IFR_unvaxxed vs. IFR_vaxxed (for WT and Delta strains) and then lags in vaccine uptakes. If everyone got vaxxed when they could have been, 300k less people would have died.
Antivaxxers spread propaganda that killed them. Cool.
Funny how you chopped off the other half of my response. Ok, 300,000 probably obese and/or severely comorbid folks also knocked off by Remdesivir and the vent sedation protocol. They should’ve been vaccinated. I’ve never argued against that. Not even once. Not for those groups of people.
But you know what else would saved the majority of them in addition to steroids? Fluvoxamine, budesonide, etc. Stuff that we didn’t have time to RCT but surely helped and didn’t compromise their kidneys/liver like “Run, Death is Near” just May have done. So, who’s the disingenuous one?
