Trollminator wrote:
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
More “F@#$ Joe Biden” yells across the nations packed college football games.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/fk-joe-biden-chants-heard-across-us-college-football-stadiumsThis is no different than the effect of trump’s rallies. When Biden again wipes the floor with fat boy in 2024 you’ll be saying “But but thousands of people were yelling F JB everywhere!!” 😩
People show up to Biden rallies? News to me.
Sally Vixxxxxxxxens wrote:
Real Obvi wrote:
That's weird. I thought you were a Trump guy. And now you're telling us you prefer Biden?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/24/trumps-false-or-misleading-claims-total-30573-over-four-years/Trump is terrible. Biden is terribler. Harris is terriblerest.
30,573 > 21
Oh yeah, I almost forgot - you are a math wiz!
Look around Whataboutinator. All your Biden-bros have left you here all alone 😂😂😂😂😂
Better bring Gina and your other aliases out to help you polish that turd. 😂😂😂👎👎
Sally Vixxxxxxxxens wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
If you haven't noticed, Biden is light years ahead when it comes to honesty... your complaints have no leg to stand on
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/24/trumps-false-or-misleading-claims-total-30573-over-four-years/Biden promised many times he would NEVER impose a vaccine mandate. HE DID! Does that not trouble you at all or the fact that he is a liberal like you you don't care? Really sickening if that is true.
I wasn't aware he is forcing anyone to get the vaccine. Source?
Real Obvi wrote:
30,573 > 21
Oh yeah, I almost forgot - you are a math wiz!
I'll keep jamming their hero trump back down their throats every time they complain about Biden. Trump's legacy will keep haunting them - they accepted that monster and sent the bar to subterranean levels. Now they own it until the very end. No leg to stand on anytime they complain.
Ha mbo wrote:
Better bring Gina and your other aliases....
Brojos, check my IP and if I post under anyone other than TroLLminator ban me for life!
Trollminator wrote:
Real Obvi wrote:
30,573 > 21
Oh yeah, I almost forgot - you are a math wiz!
I'll keep jamming their hero trump back down their throats every time they complain about Biden. Trump's legacy will keep haunting them - they accepted that monster and sent the bar to subterranean levels. Now they own it until the very end. No leg to stand on anytime they complain.
I guess that I'm embarrassed to admit that I lived in this country for decades without realizing that roughly half the country could think this way. I thought that, mostly, people disagreed on policy. More taxes, less taxes. More spending, less spending. More efforts to "make up for" the various -isms, or less. Anti-abortion or pro-choice. "Tougher" overseas, or less so. Etc., etc.
But nope. Roughly half the country could look at 30,000 lies and come to the stupendous conclusion, "Well, all politicians lie" (when the other number for the average politician is a tiny, tiny fraction of that number, and in many cases, zero....both parties). And so many other up-is-down views of Trump.
We're doomed....pretty sure.
potato_salad wrote:
You don't know what an autocrat is.
You know that Googling something is free, right?
As a person, he's CLEARLY autocratic. Lifelong.
As a leader, he CLEARLY did everything that he could do to be one. Both in the way that he "led," and in trying to have himself installed.
So, if someone is naturally and demonstrably autocratic, and governs in a way that makes it entirely clear that they want true governing autocracy, you......call them an autocrat. Simple.
And if you're the current GOP, you keep them as your leader and continue to bow down to them AND imitate them !!
My god.
nonequals wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
I'll keep jamming their hero trump back down their throats every time they complain about Biden. Trump's legacy will keep haunting them - they accepted that monster and sent the bar to subterranean levels. Now they own it until the very end. No leg to stand on anytime they complain.
I guess that I'm embarrassed to admit that I lived in this country for decades without realizing that roughly half the country could think this way. I thought that, mostly, people disagreed on policy. More taxes, less taxes. More spending, less spending. More efforts to "make up for" the various -isms, or less. Anti-abortion or pro-choice. "Tougher" overseas, or less so. Etc., etc.
But nope. Roughly half the country could look at 30,000 lies and come to the stupendous conclusion, "Well, all politicians lie" (when the other number for the average politician is a tiny, tiny fraction of that number, and in many cases, zero....both parties). And so many other up-is-down views of Trump.
We're doomed....pretty sure.
And I always thought it mostly came down to identity politics, and specifically with the right there was this presumed angle of mistrust in the government and large institutions. But nope, nothing to do with any of that. Identity politics and pointing the finger is all bs ---- it all boils down to one thing on the right currently: owning the libs.
Look at the current outrageous anti-vax/mask sentiment for example. It's all about not wanting to contribute to the public good. Public good has an association - that the types of people they don't like will inevitably benefit. If the "libs" could stand to benefit, they will oppose any measure (e.g. health care, abortion/family planning, unemployment insurance, welfare, etc.). They happily oppose even to their own personal detriment. They prefer to get infected and die of COVID because if they wear masks and get vaccinated they might save some libs. Take any issue and you see this common denominator.
It's a pretty dark take on things but hey go ahead and prove me wrong.
Trollminator wrote:
nonequals wrote:
I guess that I'm embarrassed to admit that I lived in this country for decades without realizing that roughly half the country could think this way. I thought that, mostly, people disagreed on policy. More taxes, less taxes. More spending, less spending. More efforts to "make up for" the various -isms, or less. Anti-abortion or pro-choice. "Tougher" overseas, or less so. Etc., etc.
But nope. Roughly half the country could look at 30,000 lies and come to the stupendous conclusion, "Well, all politicians lie" (when the other number for the average politician is a tiny, tiny fraction of that number, and in many cases, zero....both parties). And so many other up-is-down views of Trump.
We're doomed....pretty sure.
And I always thought it mostly came down to identity politics, and specifically with the right there was this presumed angle of mistrust in the government and large institutions. But nope, nothing to do with any of that. Identity politics and pointing the finger is all bs ---- it all boils down to one thing on the right currently: owning the libs.
Look at the current outrageous anti-vax/mask sentiment for example. It's all about not wanting to contribute to the public good. Public good has an association - that the types of people they don't like will inevitably benefit. If the "libs" could stand to benefit, they will oppose any measure (e.g. health care, abortion/family planning, unemployment insurance, welfare, etc.). They happily oppose even to their own personal detriment. They prefer to get infected and die of COVID because if they wear masks and get vaccinated they might save some libs. Take any issue and you see this common denominator.
It's a pretty dark take on things but hey go ahead and prove me wrong.
Well, I'm certainly not inclined to try to talk anyone out of any dark views on this. It's IS pretty dark.
I'm probably less convinced about the "Why?" But since I'm not a political operative or similar, I don't REALLY care a ton about how/why this is happening. I just know that it's absurd and disgusting.
But back to the "Why," for a moment, it's still hugely disappointing that SO few of these folks came to the eventual conclusion - across 5-6 years - "You know, I REALLY hate the liberals and their policies, but I DO draw the line at Trump. We just can't have a President like that. Just can't. I cannot support him or vote for him. GOP, find someone else. It's a really big country. I'll vote for ANY other R - for POTUS or dog catcher or anything in-between - but not him."
Is that really that high a bar? Apparently it was. By a lot.
nonequals wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
And I always thought it mostly came down to identity politics, and specifically with the right there was this presumed angle of mistrust in the government and large institutions. But nope, nothing to do with any of that. Identity politics and pointing the finger is all bs ---- it all boils down to one thing on the right currently: owning the libs.
Look at the current outrageous anti-vax/mask sentiment for example. It's all about not wanting to contribute to the public good. Public good has an association - that the types of people they don't like will inevitably benefit. If the "libs" could stand to benefit, they will oppose any measure (e.g. health care, abortion/family planning, unemployment insurance, welfare, etc.). They happily oppose even to their own personal detriment. They prefer to get infected and die of COVID because if they wear masks and get vaccinated they might save some libs. Take any issue and you see this common denominator.
It's a pretty dark take on things but hey go ahead and prove me wrong.
Well, I'm certainly not inclined to try to talk anyone out of any dark views on this. It's IS pretty dark.
I'm probably less convinced about the "Why?" But since I'm not a political operative or similar, I don't REALLY care a ton about how/why this is happening. I just know that it's absurd and disgusting.
But back to the "Why," for a moment, it's still hugely disappointing that SO few of these folks came to the eventual conclusion - across 5-6 years - "You know, I REALLY hate the liberals and their policies, but I DO draw the line at Trump. We just can't have a President like that. Just can't. I cannot support him or vote for him. GOP, find someone else. It's a really big country. I'll vote for ANY other R - for POTUS or dog catcher or anything in-between - but not him."
Is that really that high a bar? Apparently it was. By a lot.
And you believe that career political hack and head of the Biden Crime Family is better?
nonequals wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
And I always thought it mostly came down to identity politics, and specifically with the right there was this presumed angle of mistrust in the government and large institutions. But nope, nothing to do with any of that. Identity politics and pointing the finger is all bs ---- it all boils down to one thing on the right currently: owning the libs.
Look at the current outrageous anti-vax/mask sentiment for example. It's all about not wanting to contribute to the public good. Public good has an association - that the types of people they don't like will inevitably benefit. If the "libs" could stand to benefit, they will oppose any measure (e.g. health care, abortion/family planning, unemployment insurance, welfare, etc.). They happily oppose even to their own personal detriment. They prefer to get infected and die of COVID because if they wear masks and get vaccinated they might save some libs. Take any issue and you see this common denominator.
It's a pretty dark take on things but hey go ahead and prove me wrong.
Well, I'm certainly not inclined to try to talk anyone out of any dark views on this. It's IS pretty dark.
I'm probably less convinced about the "Why?" But since I'm not a political operative or similar, I don't REALLY care a ton about how/why this is happening. I just know that it's absurd and disgusting.
But back to the "Why," for a moment, it's still hugely disappointing that SO few of these folks came to the eventual conclusion - across 5-6 years - "You know, I REALLY hate the liberals and their policies, but I DO draw the line at Trump. We just can't have a President like that. Just can't. I cannot support him or vote for him. GOP, find someone else. It's a really big country. I'll vote for ANY other R - for POTUS or dog catcher or anything in-between - but not him."
Is that really that high a bar? Apparently it was. By a lot.
It has been a feedback loop situation on the right for decades. Instead of offering and implementing sound policies, Republicans gaslight and target those who are emotionally vulnerable and conservatively inclined. Those people in turn expect results and are given scapegoats and boogeymen instead. When the party feels the pressure to deliver they one-up the previous wave of crazy and turn their base on the libs even more. Results that improve the lives of their base is no longer relevant, only defeat of the libs. That's all the GQP can sell now. And since they sense the base is ever more blood thirsty, they will continue to trample democracy in the name of owning the libs. Trump was just a symptom turned cult of personality.
The other element at play is the right's deep and long emotional investment in crazy. They went too far and can't even fathom backing out of their positions now. It is much more convenient to latch on to scapegoats and keep doubling down than to face the truth.
The only message the GQP is getting is that they need to feed more trump to the base. The only message the base is getting is that they actually won and those evil libs have stolen their country. The key here is that there are no outside influencers -- they only reinforce each other. It's really a doomed situation.
For comparison, after WWII most Germans surely didn't see the light immediately. It didn't matter how many new facts they learned about the atrocities, or that their former leader's decisions (with their support) led to the destruction of much of their country and countless dead and wounded Germans. But they had to deal with the whole world blaming them for everything. That blame was inescapable. As a defeated but new country, the only choice they had was to own it. Logic prevailed, with the help of lots of shaming of those who refused to back down from their wrong positions.
Trump lost, but most of the supporters remain stuck deep in the echo chamber. They only see the reality that is fed to them. There is too much money and power in it for FOX and Rs to let this go to waste. The right can avoid being reminded that they lost and that the little experiment of trump playing leader of the free world went terribly wrong. Not much will materially change their sentiment.
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
nonequals wrote:
Well, I'm certainly not inclined to try to talk anyone out of any dark views on this. It's IS pretty dark.
I'm probably less convinced about the "Why?" But since I'm not a political operative or similar, I don't REALLY care a ton about how/why this is happening. I just know that it's absurd and disgusting.
But back to the "Why," for a moment, it's still hugely disappointing that SO few of these folks came to the eventual conclusion - across 5-6 years - "You know, I REALLY hate the liberals and their policies, but I DO draw the line at Trump. We just can't have a President like that. Just can't. I cannot support him or vote for him. GOP, find someone else. It's a really big country. I'll vote for ANY other R - for POTUS or dog catcher or anything in-between - but not him."
Is that really that high a bar? Apparently it was. By a lot.
And you believe that career political hack and head of the Biden Crime Family is better?
1. You don't disagree with the posters assessment then.
2. That poster, myself and at least 81 million others believe Biden is light years better, and he's proving it. A second term of trump would have been catastrophic and thankfully enough Americans see that.
3. You lost and you won't accept it. When you lose, it's better to do some reflecting and own up to it. Making unsupported excuses, latching on to scapegoats and living in an alternate reality is not the way.
He's President Trollminator. I do accept that, and that Biden is a second rate political hack, corrupt, and generally wrong on most decisions he has ever made.
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
He's President Trollminator. I do accept that, and that Biden is a second rate political hack, corrupt, and generally wrong on most decisions he has ever made.
Ginamator HAS to be a troll. There is no way he/she could believe that Biden is a competent president. Just no way.
This is the type of shenanigans you Democrats pulled in the last election. How many votes? Who really knows? But you can get plenty going into people's houses and filing out ballots. Pretty obvious how corrupt your party is, not to say the Republicans don't have issues, but your party is no different than political bosses of the late 1800s, No ethics in behavior, yet make how many spurious claims against Trump? While Joe, who really had dirt on his hands, gets a pass.
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
nonequals wrote:
Well, I'm certainly not inclined to try to talk anyone out of any dark views on this. It's IS pretty dark.
I'm probably less convinced about the "Why?" But since I'm not a political operative or similar, I don't REALLY care a ton about how/why this is happening. I just know that it's absurd and disgusting.
But back to the "Why," for a moment, it's still hugely disappointing that SO few of these folks came to the eventual conclusion - across 5-6 years - "You know, I REALLY hate the liberals and their policies, but I DO draw the line at Trump. We just can't have a President like that. Just can't. I cannot support him or vote for him. GOP, find someone else. It's a really big country. I'll vote for ANY other R - for POTUS or dog catcher or anything in-between - but not him."
Is that really that high a bar? Apparently it was. By a lot.
And you believe that career political hack and head of the Biden Crime Family is better?
And there's your proof. Pops right up.
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/10/17/howie-carr-fear-and-loathing-in-the-biden-crime-family/
Most former crack addicts and their family members will brag on how long they have been clean. The Bidens have never talked about that. He must still be smoking parmesan cheese. Some nice pics of the loveable lug ...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8838939/Joe-Biden-met-son-Hunters-Ukrainian-energy-contacts.html